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  • jmood88
    Sean Payton: Retribution
    • Jul 2003
    • 34639

    #121
    Re: Macworld '08

    Originally posted by JRod
    I think you guys knocking the MacBook air are knocking it becuase you aren't the market this thing is geared at.

    I think Pared is right. I see this as the traveling mac for people that either get on a Wi-Fi spots and don't have broadband, or professionals that need a computer while they are not in the office.

    Just because some of you don't want it, doesn't mean there's not a market for this. I think the market may be too small right now. And MacBook is too far ahead of its time.

    I see the Air being the first run where it's not hugely successful. But in the second version, probably later this year or next, they offer things people need in a computer, like an ethernet port and some other features.
    Of course the second version is going to add things that are needed, that's Apple's strategy. They hook in the people who have to have everything that they make first then they add something different in each version every single year. Like I said, version 2 will probably have a cd/dvd player and maybe an extra port, version 3 will add better speakers and a bigger hard drive so on and so forth.


    People say that Apple fans would buy anything, I think apple creates prodcuts that are better designed and thought out than MS. There was an interviews with Bill Gates at CES 2008 where he said basically, "That's Apple's thing." That tells me, the windows engineers design with the mindset that they feel the computer user will just get by with anything and they don't need form or usability.
    Apple does a great job of making their products seem revolutionary and they look nice.

    The other problem is the public expectation of Apple. With the iPhone and iPod, the public tends to end-alls. The iPod is the end-all MP3 player or the iPhone as an end-all cell phone.

    So when a product comes along geared at a niche market, it gets blasted because it's not an end-all product.
    That's not it, it's because they made the macbook a little thinner and took everything out yet they charge $3000 plus all the money you need to spend to buy extra crap just to get it on par with a regular laptop.
    Originally posted by Blzer
    Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

    If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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    • ESPNdeportes
      MVP
      • Jul 2002
      • 3459

      #122
      Re: Macworld '08

      Originally posted by fishepa
      I think the "Air" is the ultimate "Look at my laptop I love to hangout at Starbucks and surf the internet" computer.
      haha yeah it is
      "You can not ensure success, but you can deserve it." - John Quincy Adams

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      • ESPNdeportes
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 3459

        #123
        Re: Macworld '08

        Originally posted by burnwood
        Yeah, I am knocking it because it doesn't make any sense for an Apple product. Macs are already a niche product, this is sub-niche (if that's a word). The Air is for Starbucks lobby drinkers.
        How are macs a niche product? I'm just a regular computer user, and I have a mac. I don't do graphic design or anything like that. I just use it for the internet, typing, music, etc. And thats the way the majority of mac users are......I don't really see a niche other than graphic design.
        "You can not ensure success, but you can deserve it." - John Quincy Adams

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        • JRod
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 3266

          #124
          Re: Macworld '08

          Originally posted by Heelfan71
          Mac Air doesn't do anything special other than it's thin. All laptops are getting thinner and thinner every year. No firewire, no ethernet, no dvd playing (so you can pay Apple to rent movies now) , 1 usb .

          Can't see how someone would want one over a mac book or mac book pro. Why limit yourself on what you can do? Just so you can say you have one.
          Does anyone read posts anymore? I just said this.

          I know what you are saying. I think Pared gave a very nice example of WHO this thing is geared at.

          I still would advise people to get a macbook. The MacBook is pretty small and still extremely portable. All those people in Starbuck can't be wrong.

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          • burnwood
            MVP
            • May 2003
            • 2270

            #125
            Re: Macworld '08

            Originally posted by ESPNdeportes
            How are macs a niche product? I'm just a regular computer user, and I have a mac. I don't do graphic design or anything like that. I just use it for the internet, typing, music, etc. And thats the way the majority of mac users are......I don't really see a niche other than graphic design.
            I use Macs regularly too and have been for the last 15 years. That doesn't mean they aren't niche.

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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #126
              Re: Macworld '08

              The Macbook is certainly a nice device... but people tend to enjoy things that are smaller when they are on the go.

              Here's a question: Why did the early iPod Nano outsell the iPod video consistently? I know many people who had a regular iPod and ended up buying a Nano, because all of a sudden their iPod, a device that's pretty small already, looked like a huge brick compared to their Nano.

              It's the same thing here.

              You guys are focused on having your laptops be your All-in-one personal PC. I'm pretty sure the Macbook Air is considered to be either:

              1) A complimentary mobile computing device (whether it be for work or personal use)

              2) As fishepa mentioned, the ultimate "look at me" laptop. And there are MANY people out there like that. I'm sure there are a few who bought the iPhone, iPod touch and other products not made by Apple. I could list a slew of products that fall into that category.

              Originally posted by jmood88
              That's not it, it's because they made the macbook a little thinner and took everything out yet they charge $3000 plus all the money you need to spend to buy extra crap just to get it on par with a regular laptop.
              Please don't make up numbers. The introductory model would come in at about $2000.

              If you want SSD memory, of course it will run you $1000 more. You have no idea how high the prices are for these chips right now.

              Common sense would tell you they will fall, like every other technological device in the world.
              Last edited by Pared; 01-22-2008, 12:00 PM.
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              • jmood88
                Sean Payton: Retribution
                • Jul 2003
                • 34639

                #127
                Re: Macworld '08

                Originally posted by Pared
                The Macbook is certainly a nice device... but people tend to enjoy things that are smaller when they are on the go.

                Here's a question: Why did the early iPod Nano outsell the iPod video consistently? I know many people who had a regular iPod and ended up buying a Nano, because all of a sudden their iPod, a device that's pretty small already, looked like a huge brick compared to their Nano.

                It's the same thing here.

                You guys are focused on having your laptops be your All-in-one personal PC. I'm pretty sure the Macbook Air is considered to be either:

                1) A complimentary mobile computing device (whether it be for work or personal use)

                2) As fishepa mentioned, the ultimate "look at me" laptop. And there are MANY people out there like that. I'm sure there are a few who bought the iPhone, iPod touch and other products not made by Apple. I could list a slew of products that fall into that category.
                What I am focusing on is the colossal waste of money that this looks to be. Not only would I have to spend $3000 for the best version I would also need to buy separate attachments to get things that I use my laptop for, which negates the "so thin it can fit in an envelope" line that they love saying yeah it'll fit in the envelope but you'll need another bag to carry the rest of the stuff.

                Please don't make up numbers. The introductory model would come in at about $2000.

                If you want SSD memory, of course it will run you $1000 more. You have no idea how high the prices are for these chips right now.

                Common sense would tell you they will fall, like every other technological device in the world.
                I didn't make up any number if you want a good hard drive you need to spend an extra thousand which would bring it to $3000. Everyone I've seen who is getting it has said that they are getting the ssd I haven't seen anyone who wants to buy it that is going to stick with the standard memory. Even in this thread you have told anyone who's thinking about buying it to get the ssd. That's wonderful that they will fall in price but at the moment it's a waste of money to look at it, in my opinion.

                Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing you for wanting it I just don't like the product.
                Last edited by jmood88; 01-22-2008, 03:05 PM.
                Originally posted by Blzer
                Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                • Pared
                  Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 39337

                  #128
                  Re: Macworld '08

                  I don't want it, my g/f does.

                  The point is, you're criticizing the price b/c of the SSD memory... which is an option. Please show me a laptop with the same amount of SSD memory so we can compare. I have not looked into the market and can't really do that here right now.
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                  • BaseballCtchr
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 1306

                    #129
                    Re: Macworld '08

                    I saw a OQO today. The guy is in law school. Thanks Pared, had you never posted that I would not have know what I was looking at.

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                    • ESPNdeportes
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 3459

                      #130
                      Re: Macworld '08

                      Originally posted by burnwood
                      I use Macs regularly too and have been for the last 15 years. That doesn't mean they aren't niche.
                      What's the niche then? Maybe graphic design, but most mac users don't do graphic design.
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                      • jmood88
                        Sean Payton: Retribution
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 34639

                        #131
                        Re: Macworld '08

                        Originally posted by ESPNdeportes
                        What's the niche then? Maybe graphic design, but most mac users don't do graphic design.
                        Maybe he just means with their sales numbers compared to pcs.
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                        • pfunk880
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 4452

                          #132
                          Re: Macworld '08

                          Originally posted by ESPNdeportes
                          What's the niche then? Maybe graphic design, but most mac users don't do graphic design.
                          People who are willing to pay extra for style/coolness factor.
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                          • Pared
                            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 39337

                            #133
                            Re: Macworld '08

                            Originally posted by BaseballCtchr
                            I saw a OQO today. The guy is in law school. Thanks Pared, had you never posted that I would not have know what I was looking at.
                            Cool. I have yet to see one "in the streets" but I've seen a display model. It's quite nice, IMO. I don't think I'd be able to buy one though.

                            What did you think?
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                              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                              • Feb 2003
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                              #134
                              Re: Macworld '08

                              I just had to order 2 of the Macbook Airs for staff here at work.

                              Hopefully, I can convince the department that I'm going to need one to support them.
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                              • mgoblue
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                                • Jul 2002
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                                #135
                                Re: Macworld '08

                                Originally posted by Pared
                                Cool. I have yet to see one "in the streets" but I've seen a display model. It's quite nice, IMO. I don't think I'd be able to buy one though.

                                What did you think?
                                I think it's complete and utter crap because it WON'T even fit in a manila envelope. Don't you know how many times I wish I could put my laptop in an envelope?!?!?!?!?!

                                Originally posted by Pared
                                I just had to order 2 of the Macbook Airs for staff here at work.

                                Hopefully, I can convince the department that I'm going to need one to support them.
                                I want your job if you can convince them of that lol
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