Official Hip Hop/Rap Music Thread

[ehh]

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Is it just me..or did they really not have DJ Premier...

He's the 1-seed in the boom-bap region.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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If that's true than **** vibe, *******es.

and to lil' bently, we can agree to disagree

Not sure what the bold is about.

I shouldn't of said he sucks but lyrically he is mediocre. He never blows me away with his rhymes or makes me say damn and I have to rewind to hear it again. His production and what he speaks about makes me a fan of his.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Vibe Magazine having a Greatest Producer of All Time Tournament going on where you get to vote for who is the GOAT.

http://vibe.com/hiphopproducer

My Results thru Round 1:

Homegrown Sound Bracket(R1):

(1)Dr. Dre vs (16)DJ Toomp-Blowout
(9)DJ Quik vs (8)Ant Banks-Single Digit
(5)Juicy J vs (12) Rick Rock-Single Digit
(13)Shock G vs (4)Prince Paul-Blowout
(11)Johnny J vs (6)Poison Clan-Blowout
(14)Mr. Lee vs (3)The Bomb Squad-Double Digit
(7)Beats by the Pound vs (10)Wyclef Jean-Buzzer Beater
(2)Mannie Fresh vs (15)David Banner(surprised he was ranked this low)Buzzer Beater

Soul Sample Region(R1)
(1)Kanye West vs (16)The Heatmakerz-Blowout
(8)No ID vs (9)The Alchemist-Single Digit
(5)Just Blaze vs (12)Hi Tek-Single Digit
(4)Erick Sermon vs (13)Daz Dillinger-Double Digit
(6)J Dilla vs (11)88-Keys-Blowout
(3)Organized Noize vs (14)9th Wonder-Buzzer Beater
(7)Mark the 45 King vs (10)Salaam Remi-Single Digit
(2)Pete Rock vs (15)Cool and Dre-Single Digit

Mass Appeal Region(R1)
(1)The Neptunes vs (16) Will.i.am-Single Digit
(8)Scott Storch vs (9)Lil Jon-Double Digit
(5)Teddy Riley vs (12)Kay Gee-Blowout
(4)Diddy and the Hitmen vs (13)Herbie Luv Bug-Blowout
(6)Trackmasters vs (11)Larry Smith-Single Digit
(3)Swizz Beatz vs (14)Dust Brothers-Blowout
(7)Jermaine Dupri vs (10)Irv Gotti-Double Digit
(2)Timbaland vs (15)Polow Da Don-Double Digit

Boom Bap Region(R1)
(1)DJ Premier vs (16)Bangladesh-Blowout
(8)Havoc vs (9)Da Beatminerz-Single Digit
(5)Jam Master Jay vs (12)Easy Mo Bee-Buzzer Beater
(4)Rick Rubin) vs (13)The Beatnuts-Single Digit
(6)Large Professor vs (11)Q-Tip-Double Digit
(3)Marley Marl vs (14)Dame Grease-Double Digit
(7)Diamond D vs (10)DJ Muggs-Single Digit
(2)RZA vs (15)Rockwilder-Single Digit

[ehh]

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SMH @ Prince Paul getting blowout by Shock G.

[jmood88]

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Damn, Kanye the producer is good in my book.

He's alright but his best album production-wise was when he got help by Jon Brion. Outside of Late Registration his beats are just alright.

[ehh]

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He's alright but his best album production-wise was when he got help by Jon Brion. Outside of Late Registration his beats are just alright.

And by and large lack creativity. Sampling can be an art form but when you just take a Gil Scott Heron or Tom Brock record and slow it down and add bass to it then I'm not impressed. It may sound good but please, at least put your own stamp on it.

[jmood88]

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And by and large lack creativity. Sampling can be an art form but when you just take a Gil Scott Heron or Tom Brock record and slow it down and add bass to it then I'm not impressed. It may sound good but please, at least put your own stamp on it.

Yup, there's guys out there like 9th Wonder who actually cut up samples and have a sound then there's Kanye who started out speeding everything up but has evolved to...slowing samples down. He even steals the drums he uses.

[ehh]

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Yup, there's guys out there like 9th Wonder who actually cut up samples and have a sound then there's Kanye who started out speeding everything up but has evolved to...slowing samples down. He even steals the drums he uses.

That's always been the dopest method. Primo made Mass Appeal from :01 of a sample record and flipped it many different ways to make the entire Mass Appeal beat. That sorta stuff takes serious talent.

And then there's a record like 3 Feet High & Rising, which is unfair to compare other stuff too since it was before sampling laws, but that album is absolutely insane. Musically and creatively it is a 12 out of 10. The album isn't for everyone but is so in depth and complicated that I can't place another rap album ahead of it production-wise.

[Jukeman]

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Who seeded that tourney the BCS????

DJ Toomp a 16?

He's a pioneer...Nuff said


And Kanye is average on production?

lyrically maybe...

99.9% of drums you hear in hip hop are "stolen"

And speeding up/slowing samples down isnt as easy as it sounds..Thats itself is an art form

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yea the seeding was all ****ed up(not surprised seeing how they did there Greatest MC Tournament a few years back).BTW, Toomp's a pioneer? I'd have to think about that one right there...

[ScoobySnax]

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Man y'all are acting like all his beats are samples. Yes, that is how he made his name, but he has plenty of homegrown beats that are jammin'. As far as his lyrics, they aren't at a Jay, Em type level, but they are damn sure better than a lot of artists right now. Good *** Job will be another classic.

[ehh]

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And speeding up/slowing samples down isnt as easy as it sounds..Thats itself is an art form

It may not be easy but it sure as hell ain't creative or original. When I pop in the sample and it's THAT obvious that it was used in the producer's beat then I'm not impressed. In most beats Kanye is making a remake IMO, not sampling.

Take a small piece of several records and make it into something new. Manipulate some of the pieces. As I said before, just do something to put your own stamp on it.

[Jukeman]

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Yea the seeding was all ****ed up(not surprised seeing how they did there Greatest MC Tournament a few years back).BTW, Toomp's a pioneer? I'd have to think about that one right there...

Yea a pioneer to drum and bass...About 90% of hip hop you hear from the south..

[ProfessaPackMan]

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but they are damn sure better than a lot of artists right now.

Not saying much considering who's out there right now. In mainstream that is.

[Jukeman]

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It may not be easy but it sure as hell ain't creative or original. When I pop in the sample and it's THAT obvious that it was used in the producer's beat then I'm not impressed. In most beats Kanye is making a remake IMO, not sampling.

Take a small piece of several records and make it into something new. Manipulate some of the pieces. As I said before, just do something to put your own stamp on it.

Sampling has no rules...Thats his thing it and he does it BEST

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