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Re: *** LOST: Season 5 Discussion***
Yeah got it. Wonder if Widmore and Hawking were an item? Is Faraday the son of Widmore?
You could tell that Hawking didn't like Ben when He showed up at the church. But she didn't seem hostile towards him either. Just thinks he's a weasel. Probably tricked her at some point too.
We'll have to see how this all unfolds, but its possible that Hawking was in a position of power on the island and may have been a leader along with Widmore, but Hawkings and Widmores agendas seem different.Chalepa Ta Kala.....Comment
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Yea, my guess is that Faraday is Widmore's son. It just seems to be headed there. Unless Charles just loved Ellie so much that he was willing to support her child's experiments.
This, of course, now leads me to another question. Charles and Ellie might have been an item. They obviously worked together. Ellie is Faraday's mother. Charles has been financially backing Faraday's experiments. Charles wants to get back to the Island. Ellie helped Ben get back to the Island.
It seems like a conflict in interest here. I wonder if Faraday and his mother speak. Was there a breakdown in their relationship as a result of Widmore funding his work? And is Widmore trying to get Faraday there first so he can take over before Ellie gets people there so she can take over (or Ben take over)?
There's something missing here or something I'm overlooking.
edit: Ha, just saw that fistofrage is wondering the same thing. Ok. We're on the same page with that at least."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Re: *** LOST: Season 5 Discussion***
So, you're saying that there are two Jin's or one? I'm confused by this.
I feel there are two. One back home with his fisher father. And the older one on the Island. Both in 1977.
Going on this, I want to say that's why Ben didn't go back to 1977. Can't have two people in the same place (a lot of what you were saying at one point, though with places instead of time). However, I've been hesitant to support this because of Sun. It doesn't make sense. Whatever happened to her happened to Ben, right? I want to think so. If that's the case, then Ben not traveling back didn't have anything to do with there being a young Ben in 1977. Unless, there's a part of Sun's life we don't know."It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Another question to throw out there. Could one of the Losties be lying?
If the Losties could travel on flight 316 and end up in 1977, isn't it possible that there was a person traveling to 2004 from Season One?"It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace
"You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob NeyerComment
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Thats where I am confused as well. There is 2 Jins in 1977 right now, there would have to be because little Jin grew up in Japan continuously(as least we can surmise that). But the thing we have to remember is that 1977 already happened and Jin was on the island and couldn't have seen himself. Per the storyline there has to be 2 Jins.
In theory could Jin have jumped on the Dharma submarine in 1977 and gone and visted little Jin? Thats where I have a problem with this. The show is leaning towards yes, but I say No. It wouldn't make logical sense because then there would be 2 distinct beings coming from the same being and you can't have that on this single path. If we are talking about alternative dimensions then yes.
So for the sake of the story, I would say yes, there are 2 of every time traveling lostie over the age of 30 in 1977. For the sake of the time travel theories that I have read and logic, there either can only be 1 or the 2 can never meet.Chalepa Ta Kala.....Comment
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but Locke was on the plane. we see him in the airport and on the plane, and they made a thing about him being able to suddenly walk after 815 crashed, so unless the paralyzed locke flashed somewhere else, and a different locke flashed to the 815 crash, its not likely.Comment
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I think the answer is yeah there can be two of someone BECAUSE - during the time flashes there was the flash of light in the sky from Locke banging on the Hatch while at the same moment locke was viewing it from a different position on the island.
This would also kinda explain the existance of ghosts like claire and walt in the early seasons."Good music transcends all physical limits, it's more then something you hear, it's something that you feel, when the author, experience, and passion is real" - Murs (And this is for)Comment
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For whatever reason Locke was guided to be on that plane.
There is a bunch of circular references going on in the show now.
Locke went back in time because he was guided to be on flight 815. Locke was guided to be on flight 815 because he went back in time.
Because everything keeps circling around like a merry go round with Locke, there still has to be an entry point. The logical entry point to this whole saga for the Losties would be flight 815.
However with Locke its not. He was guided onto that plane by Hostiles who met up with him at the point he was paralyzed as far as I know.
There is something odd with Locke.Chalepa Ta Kala.....Comment
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You are probably right, but the way they showed Locke kind of "awaken" when he first flashed or crashed seemed a little different than the other Losties as well. And it probably should have because he can walk now, but it still seems like of all the people on the plane, he was meant to be there. Is it possible that flight 815 was a re-enactment of a previous crash or "lostie" arrival much like the most recent flight was a re-enactment of flight 815. The other Losties are there, but were they guided in a manner such as Locke?
Did they guide Locke to get flight 815 as close as possible to a previous event? Much like the most recent flight.
Another thing was that plane that they found submerged a plant by Widmore or someone else? Did they ever give us a clear answer of where that other Jet came with all the dead people came from?
I've pretty much only watched each season once at the time it aired, so I must admit my memory of all previous seasons episodes is sketchy....I know what happened, just can't recall every detail.Chalepa Ta Kala.....Comment
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Great theories everyone. I was pretty sure it was known that Charles planted the plane, but I cannot remember exactly either. I looked it up and we find out when Tom talks to Michael off of the island, according to Lostpedia.
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