*** LOST: Season 5 Discussion***

[Money99]

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The producers said that all "flashes" happen in order. This came up as a result of the first Sayid flash-forward. People wondered if the golf scene was after Sayid killed the girl and spoke to Ben. The producers confirmed that all events happened in order and unless specified, all flashes occur in order in an episode (not necessarily in order in the entire series).

If that's the case, then when did Faraday's flash occur? If flashes occur in order in an specific episode, then that flash was not exactly indepedent of everyone's travels. I've read speculation that that flash is from 1977. That this is where Faraday is during the episode "Namaste."

I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm curious. If that's the case, then the producers lied.

It wouldn't be the first time. During the 1st season they claimed that everything that happens on the island can be explained by science.
But when someone brought that up to them during Season 4, they all denied it and went back on their word.

[CMH]

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It wouldn't be the first time. During the 1st season they claimed that everything that happens on the island can be explained by science.
But when someone brought that up to them during Season 4, they all denied it and went back on their word.

They've been vague.

By science, they apparently meant that it's being studied by science and has the probability of being possible.

[fistofrage]

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They've been vague.

By science, they apparently meant that it's being studied by science and has the probability of being possible.

But what he's referring to is that it could be explained by science. They recanted that claim.

Smoke Monsters probably aren't being studied by scientists.

But I am pretty sure I have read the theory of time travel that they are trying to replicate. But that deals more with layers of alternative universes so I am not sure if that is it, but there are alot of similarities. I am not quite sure that they are dealing with alternative universes or one universe that can be accessed at many different points in Lost.

[Money99]

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But what he's referring to is that it could be explained by science. They recanted that claim.

Smoke Monsters probably aren't being studied by scientists.

But I am pretty sure I have read the theory of time travel that they are trying to replicate. But that deals more with layers of alternative universes so I am not sure if that is it, but there are alot of similarities. I am not quite sure that they are dealing with alternative universes or one universe that can be accessed at many different points in Lost.

LOL. All I know is that I've given up trying to figure it out.

In the very last episode we'll probably find out that this is actually a TV show. The very last scene we'll see the props pulled back and a director yelling "That's a wrap!".
And then Sawyer will fart into the camera and all the actors will laugh while the millions of Lost faithfuls at home will be crying that they just wasted 7 years of their lives.

[fistofrage]

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LOL. All I know is that I've given up trying to figure it out.

In the very last episode we'll probably find out that this is actually a TV show. The very last scene we'll see the props pulled back and a director yelling "That's a wrap!".
And then Sawyer will fart into the camera and all the actors will laugh while the millions of Lost faithfuls at home will be crying that they just wasted 7 years of their lives.

I wouldn't mind that ending just to see the look on my wife's face.

It will probably be better than the Ben is good his evil deeds were necessary but in the end reversed, everyone lives happily ever after ending that I envision happening.

[poster]

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It better not be a dream. Two shows (one a soap opera, the other being Dallas, I think) nearly died because of that crap. If Lost is a dream, I will never watch those producers again.

Anyway, to answer the question. I think this is where things are obviously confusing. It's either:

1. The Losties never saw their pictures on the wall because it didn't exist. They hadn't been to 1977 yet to take the picture. So, right now, they are rewriting history. Which makes Faraday wrong.

2. The Losties were never in that house or never paid attention to the pictures. If that's the case, then they are not rewriting history. They are simply unaware that they are living their lives as it had already been predetermined. This would make Faraday right.

So, either Faraday is wrong and will probably end up succeeding in saving Charlotte or he is right and he's going through an endless, winless battle to change what can not be changed.

*takes breath*

Who knows anymore?

Good points. You guys have some good ideas pertaining to the show. Very enjoyable discussing it with everyone.

My parents loved Dallas, so as kids we watched with them. I was young so I didn't get everything, but ya that kind of shock ending was not welcome in our household! Ha ha. :-)

[CMH]

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I want to see the producers pull a fake season finale that is just a giant haha at every hardcore fan.

Wait a week while everyone goes nuts over it and then BAM! one day before the real season finale (which ABC will keep secret) the producers will go on air and tell everyone that it was a joke and that the real season finale will air tomorrow.

[highheatkingsb]

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I want to see the producers pull a fake season finale that is just a giant haha at every hardcore fan.

Wait a week while everyone goes nuts over it and then BAM! one day before the real season finale (which ABC will keep secret) the producers will go on air and tell everyone that it was a joke and that the real season finale will air tomorrow.

Actually, that wouldn't bother me, maybe make the finale a 3-hour recap show or the finale being a lead-in to a 3-hour movie that they've secretly produced, that gets released on the big screen no more than a month or two after that finale, maybe make it a one-weekend only show, because once it's released, then the ending is out, etc.... I don't believe that's ever been done, has it? The only thing with that is, I don't know if there would be enough fans and $$$ to make a profit on.

[CMH]

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They could just make it a tv-movie. Make the money off of advertising.

[fistofrage]

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Alright I think I need an explanation on something......

I started thinking Locke that its possible that Locke was on the island before the original 815 crash.

We know Locke went back in time, talked to Alpert, met Whidmore, etc.

But what doesn't make sense is that Whidmore's hired hand, the black guy that was shot by Ben, guided Locke to go on the walkabout and consequently get on flight 815.

Why would they need to guide him to get on flight 815? He was on flight 815 and then went back in time and met Alpert and Widmore. Meaning because he was on flight 815 he went back in time and then was guided to be on flight 815. If this was Xcel, I'd be getting a circular error reference right now.

The only explanation I could think of is that Locke was on the island before and they had to get Locke onto flight 815. So flight 815 was Locke's 2nd or more visit to the island. This may be why Locke is special, he had ben to the island before.

[jake44np]

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Alright I think I need an explanation on something......

I started thinking Locke that its possible that Locke was on the island before the original 815 crash.

We know Locke went back in time, talked to Alpert, met Whidmore, etc.

But what doesn't make sense is that Whidmore's hired hand, the black guy that was shot by Ben, guided Locke to go on the walkabout and consequently get on flight 815.

Why would they need to guide him to get on flight 815? He was on flight 815 and then went back in time and met Alpert and Widmore. Meaning because he was on flight 815 he went back in time and then was guided to be on flight 815. If this was Xcel, I'd be getting a circular error reference right now.

The only explanation I could think of is that Locke was on the island before and they had to get Locke onto flight 815. So flight 815 was Locke's 2nd or more visit to the island. This may be why Locke is special, he had ben to the island before.

Its funny this is exactly what my wife thinks, she too thinks Locke was on the island before the crash of flight 815.

[boomhauertjs]

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I really hope tonight's episode isn't all about the love quandrangle between Jack, Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet.

[p_rushing]

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Well Locke was on the island before, he was there when they went back in time. At that point, Alpert and Widmore now knew he was on the island, from the future, and they knew he had to go back in order to meet them in the past.

Remember the compass scene when Locke was young, they were trying to see if he remember it or if only that version of Locke from the future would remember.

[fistofrage]

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Well Locke was on the island before, he was there when they went back in time. At that point, Alpert and Widmore now knew he was on the island, from the future, and they knew he had to go back in order to meet them in the past.

Remember the compass scene when Locke was young, they were trying to see if he remember it or if only that version of Locke from the future would remember.

I know that, but look at what I am saying.

He was on flight 815 and crashed.

He then went back into time and talked to Widmore and Alpert, who then apprantly guided him to be on flight 815.

Why would they need to guide him, he was on flight 815 regardless or he wouldn't have gone back in time to meet them. He needed no guiding as it was already a fact he was/will be on flight 815.

The fact that they guided him onto flight 815 makes me believe that he was on the island, left, and then was guided to flight 815 so he could return. In other words, if the crash of flight 815 was Locke's 1st visit to the island, how would they have known to guide him there? He didn't go back in time until after he crashed.

Thats where I need to get some clarification. I have a feeling that when the flight 815 crash occurred, Locke flashed and the other Losties crashed.

[USF11]

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I know that, but look at what I am saying.

He was on flight 815 and crashed.

He then went back into time and talked to Widmore and Alpert, who then apprantly guided him to be on flight 815.

Why would they need to guide him, he was on flight 815 regardless or he wouldn't have gone back in time to meet them. He needed no guiding as it was already a fact he was/will be on flight 815.

The fact that they guided him onto flight 815 makes me believe that he was on the island, left, and then was guided to flight 815 so he could return. In other words, if the crash of flight 815 was Locke's 1st visit to the island, how would they have known to guide him there? He didn't go back in time until after he crashed.

Thats where I need to get some clarification. I have a feeling that when the flight 815 crash occurred, Locke flashed and the other Losties crashed.

Ur starting to make some sense here.