Jay-Z "D.O.A (Death of Autotune)"

[Jukeman]

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Yeah, you call this song the death of autotune but give those that you're cool with a pass for using it, seems like a mixed message to me. Fact is, T-pain bought it back to the mainstream public, and just like many others, Lil Wayne and Kanye jumped on that bandwagon, and made some hit or miss music with it, but yet its okay for them to use it. This is my problem with this song, and its so called message. If you're going to start this anti-autotune campaign, make sure that your message is concise and consistent. I have my doubts as to why he made this song anyway. Let's be honest with ourselves, Jay-Z is a businessman, and he saw a perfect opportunity to try to dead something that is already long in the tooth anyway. Do you really think Jay-Z made this song because its causing rap music to decline in quality? If that was the case, he should have made a song called D.O.P (Death Of Payola), because that's what's really hurting rap music right now, but he took the safe route and if all goes according to plan, he's going to get credit for killing off autotune, even though as I said before, people were growing weary of it.

All in all, I don't find the song to be that good, and I felt it could have been executed much better.



I really don't understand some of your posts in this thread, one you insinuate that Nas tries to be deep, and then go on to say that Eminem just rants about his feelings and opinions, and things he'd done in the past. Who's to say that Nas wasn't doing the same thing except with entirely different content? It's ok to find Illmatic boring, because most of the time I find Emimem to be a cornball, but I understand that's just him being him some of the time, just like I understand that was Nas being Nas at the time. Its all about how you relate to the content, and going by your posts, I don't think you could relate to Nas' content.

Voice box and auto tune are two very different things...

[Epiffani]

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I'm not "judging" Nas's content on Illmatic in this discussion. It just bores me.

As far as relating to it....I grew up in Brooklyn and Queens in the projects surrounded by people who walked and talked just like Nas, so I'm more than a little familiar with all of his references. It's just that to me, he doesn't provide a perspective that I can't see with my own eyes, nor does his context bring me closer to walking in his shoes. So I find it boring.

As I said, you're well within your rights to find Illmatic boring, especially now since its been out for so long, and music in general evolving a great deal since then. And in bold you answered one of your own "musical mysteries." Even though the same things that you've cited is the very reason why Illmatic, and alot of his other work is so critically acclaimed.

I'm in the huge minority regarding Nas. The only song of his I like is Ether. Nas is one of those big musical mysteries to me, like the Beatles and Radiohead.

Voice box and auto tune are two very different things...

And your point...

[Jukeman]

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As I said, you're well within your rights to find Illmatic boring, especially now since its been out for so long, and music in general evolving a great deal since then. And in bold you answered one of your own "musical mysteries." Even though the same things that you've cited is the very reason why Illmatic, and alot of his other work is so critically acclaimed.





And your point...

auto-tune was never in main stream....As you said T-Pain bought it back....

And the song really aint about auto tune so yu got the wrng message anyways...

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I thought that was obvious myself, Jukeman lol.

[Epiffani]

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auto-tune was never in main stream....As you said T-Pain bought it back....

And the song really aint about auto tune so yu got the wrng message anyways...

Lol @ naming a song the death of autotune but it not being about autotune. His interview with hot 97 says otherwise, and what was the point of you bringing up voice box?

[trobinson97]

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If it's not about auto tune what is it about?

[Jukeman]

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Lol @ naming a song the death of autotune but it not being about autotune. His interview with hot 97 says otherwise, and what was the point of you bringing up voice box?

I just answered that question....How did T pain bring something BACK into the mainstream when it wasnt never in??? People get voice box confused with auto tune all the time when fact is guys like teddy riley all used a voice box....

Also didnt say it wasnt about auto tune like im saying its about totally something different...I said REALLY meaning its deeper than auto tune...more like death of a trend, the trend we are seeing in hip hop today....

But wat do I know, music today has dumb down everbody who listen and no one wants to think anymore, they just want their stuff served easy and simple...For example, people dont even get metaphors anymore...all I heard yesterday was "What does Drake best I ever had video has to do with the song?" SMH if you listen to the song in the first placr, you would have known that it wasnt what you thought it was....

[Epiffani]

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I just answered that question....How did T pain bring something BACK into the mainstream when it wasnt never in??? People get voice box confused with auto tune all the time when fact is guys like teddy riley all used a voice box....

Also didnt say it wasnt about auto tune like im saying its about totally something different...I said REALLY meaning its deeper than auto tune...more like death of a trend, the trend we are seeing in hip hop today....

But wat do I know, music today has dumb down everbody who listen and no one wants to think anymore, they just want their stuff served easy and simple...For example, people dont even get metaphors anymore...all I heard yesterday was "What does Drake best I ever had video has to do with the song?" SMH if you listen to the song in the first placr, you would have known that it wasnt what you thought it was....

The reason people talk about autotune and voice box in the same vein is because they both have the same effect on your voice. That's why T-pain speaks about it as if its the same thing in this video because the results are the same, and I know what this song is about please reread my first post in this thread. I still don't see how killing a trend will make this song any deeper or better. So what if its suppose to be a death of a trend that people have voiced over and over again that their growing tired of anyway? He's not the first rapper to declare his distaste for auto tune. If anything, this song will show how much of a sheep rappers are, if they go on ahead and stop using it all because of what Jay-Z said. And still he said that its okay for lil wayne, and kanye to use it (who like many others bit T-pain), so what is he really saying at the end of the day, and what is his message with this song? Its only okay for people that I approve of to use it?; and that goes back to my initial post, and why I don't care for this song, and its so-called "message" because you can't tell me that those individuals that he gave a pass to are the only ones that make good music with it.

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[Jukeman]

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The reason people talk about autotune and voice box in the same vein is because they both have the same effect on your voice. That's why T-pain speaks about it as if its the same thing in this video because the results are the same, and I know what this song is about please reread my first post in this thread. I still don't see how killing a trend will make this song any deeper or better. So what if its suppose to be a death of a trend that people have voiced over and over again that their growing tired of anyway? He's not the first rapper to declare his distaste for auto tune. If anything, this song will show how much of a sheep rappers are, if they go on ahead and stop using it all because of what Jay-Z said. And still he said that its okay for lil wayne, and kanye to use it (who like many others bit T-pain), so what is he really saying at the end of the day, and what is his message with this song? Its only okay for people that I approve of to use it?; and that goes back to my initial post, and why I don't care for this song, and its so-called "message" because you can't tell me that those individuals that he gave a pass to are the only ones that make good music with it.

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Only thing voice box and auto tune have in common is the robotic voice...the sound is even different...

Never said thr song was great

a trend is a style that is copied by groups of people....Again he's not bashing auto tune personally......him making this song is really no different than Nas' "hip hop is dead"

Its no different than 50 coming at Ja Rule for singing except now with auto-tune, you can sing off pitch and still sound great....1. T pain can sing more than half decent, ron brows(spell check) dont think so....2. Pain, Wayne, Kanye all made hit records vs up and coming unsigned artist who are using this effect (which doesnt sound good BTW) because it whats "in" and they are trying to get signed(there is alot)

answer this, if you had a strategy in COD4 which got you alot of kills, if everybody did it would it work anymore????

If we keep hearing auto tune on every other record, would it still be hot???

Reason why mainstream hip hop is wack right now cuz every beat, chorus and lyrics are the samething over and over again

[Epiffani]

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Only thing voice box and auto tune have in common is the robotic voice...the sound is even different...

Never said thr song was great

a trend is a style that is copied by groups of people....Again he's not bashing auto tune personally......him making this song is really no different than Nas' "hip hop is dead"

Bruh, I know what a trend is, and this is why his "message" that you guys keep on preaching to me is confusing. Both Kanye and Lil Wayne jumped on this trend that you speak of, but yet its okay for them to use it in Jay-Z's eyes as if every song they've made with auto-tune have great... I'm asking you, what makes Lil Wayne and Kanye any different from the other people who decided to hop on this trend? Is it because T-pain personally showed them how to use it ? And Nas Hip Hop Is Dead thing is little bit different because he didn't target the south, the west coast, the midwest, or the east cost, or any other group for that matter, he said the blame goes to everyone, including himself. He didn't exempt or give anyone a pass, and I disagreed with him also.

[Jukeman]

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Bruh, I know what a trend is, and this is why his "message" that you guys keep on preaching to me is confusing. Both Kanye and Lil Wayne jumped on this trend that you speak of, but yet its okay for them to use it in Jay-Z's eyes as if every song they've made with auto-tune have great... I'm asking you, what makes Lil Wayne and Kanye any different from the other people who decided to hop on this trend? Is it because T-pain personally showed them how to use it ? And Nas Hip Hop Is Dead thing is little bit different because he didn't target the south, the west coast, the midwest, or the east cost, or any other group for that matter, he said the blame goes to everyone, including himself. He didn't exempt or give anyone a pass, and I disagreed with him also.

The south are not the only Region using auto tune......can you imagine how many demo's they(def jam or whoever) that got auto tune records on it?

There are alot of up in coming artist who are using this effect becuz it made hit records but the truth be told it aint the machine its the person behind it....

Beside Wayne, Pain, Kanye what MAJOR artist use this effect???? Again he aint coming at the hardware/or software(people are really trying to get this sound, even on FL Studio) he's coming at the trend...

Once hit records started coming from those 3 guys, you had people bitting like crazy, even Jamie Foxx(he used talkbox/voice box back then before his music was big)

and to answer your question...

T pain was the only one doing it at one time but Kanye and Wayne are not following a trend because they help make it a trend with their hit records....You cant use this effect and not be up to par basically....

Pop champaign was hot to you? Blame it on the Alcohol was hot? Im not a fan of lolli pop but millions of others were...

[Epiffani]

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The south are not the only Region using auto tune......can you imagine how many demo's they(def jam or whoever) that got auto tune records on it?

There are alot of up in coming artist who are using this effect becuz it made hit records but the truth be told it aint the machine its the person behind it....

Beside Wayne, Pain, Kanye what MAJOR artist use this effect???? Again he aint coming at the hardware/or software(people are really trying to get this sound, even on FL Studio) he's coming at the trend...

Once hit records started coming from those 3 guys, you had people bitting like crazy, even Jamie Foxx(he used talkbox/voice box back then before his music was big)

and to answer your question...

T pain was the only one doing it at one time but Kanye and Wayne are not following a trwnd because they help make it a trend with their hit records....You cant use this effect and not be up to par basically....Pop champaign was hot to you? Blame it on the Alcohol was hot? Im not a fan of lolli pop but millions of others were...

*Sighs*

First off I wish you would stop editing your posts after I posted mine .


Secondly, I only bought up the south for the simple fact that alot of them took hiphop is dead is a direct insult to them and the type of music they were making at the time. In no way did I try to make a correlation between the south and autotune. I heard Bobby Valentino use it, I heard Trey Songz use it, I heard Just Blaze use it, I heard R kelly use it, I heard Rick Ross use it, I heard Bow Wow use it, I heard Jamie Foxx use it, I mean really shall I keep going?


You said prior to this new post that T-Pain is good without autotune, do you have a video showing me that T-pain is a good singer without auto-tune? I've seen his performance without it, and I've walked away saying that he needs autotune badly. Seriously, if you have an example of t-pain singing "more than half decent" please provide me a link. So making hit records when you're already a house hold name in Rap gives you an exemption, and makes it okay that you like many others hopped on a trend that you thought was hot? They've made bad songs with auto tune just like others have; again I'm not going to subscribe to the notion that the only people that makes bad autotune songs are those that are not mainstream artist. As I've said, if Jay-Z really wanted to stop a trend that is hurting hiphop, speak on the fact that these so called wack guys using autotune is paying to get their records played by the radio.

I'm not holding Lil Wayne and Kanye west to a different standard all because they have hits using the tool, and who's to say that Ron Brows didn't influence anyone to use it after pop champagne? It got heavy play in the club, and a lot of ringtone downloads, should he get a pass also? They all still hopped on a trend like others did, and bit T-pain. Who did Wayne and Kanye call to help them use Auto-tune? T-pain. @ Kanye and Wayne not following a trend, but yet you admit that T-pain was the only doing it at a certain time.... Some things just don't add up. The length people will go to to defend jay-Z and his "message" is truly amazing. Now people that aren't signed shouldn't be able to use it even if they think its hot in their opinion, and even though the main stream and main streams artist already have had its fair share of bad autotune songs. Wow.

[Bornindamecca]

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I saw T-Pain without autotune on some awards show and he was awful.

As for the song...I've seen an interview with Jay Z regarding the point he's trying to make, and I think both sides are taking it a little far. He's not saying don't do it, he's not even saying it's wack. Jay feels that hip hop has overdone it at this point and needs to move on. He stresses that it's not a mandate, just his opinion and he wrote a song about it.

I'm not defending Jay-Z by any means, but if you're going to argue about it, at least argue the facts. Like many public figures, Jay is propagandizing his point to increase the attention he gets, but responding to propaganda on the basis of its embellishments is foolish.

[Jukeman]

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*Sighs*

First off I wish you would stop editing your posts after I posted mine .


Secondly, I only bought up the south for the simple fact that alot of them took hiphop is dead is a direct insult to them and the type of music they were making at the time. In no way did I try to make a correlation between the south and autotune. I heard Bobby Valentino use it, I heard Trey Songz use it, I heard Just Blaze use it, I heard R kelly use it, I heard Rick Ross use it, I heard Bow Wow use it, I heard Jamie Foxx use it, I mean really shall I keep going?


You said prior to this new post that T-Pain is good without autotune, do you have a video showing me that T-pain is a good singer without auto-tune? I've seen his performance without it, and I've walked away saying that he needs autotune badly. Seriously, if you have an example of t-pain singing "more than half decent" please provide me a link. So making hit records when you're already a house hold name in Rap gives you an exemption, and makes it okay that you like many others hopped on a trend that you thought was hot? They've made bad songs with auto tune just like others have; again I'm not going to subscribe to the notion that the only people that makes bad autotune songs are those that are not mainstream artist. As I've said, if Jay-Z really wanted to stop a trend that is hurting hiphop, speak on the fact that these so called wack guys using autotune is paying to get their records played by the radio.

I'm not holding Lil Wayne and Kanye west to a different standard all because they have hits using the tool, and who's to say that Ron Brows didn't influence anyone to use it after pop champagne? It got heavy play in the club, and a lot of ringtone downloads, should he get a pass also? They all still hopped on a trend like others did, and bit T-pain. Who did Wayne and Kanye call to help them use Auto-tune? T-pain. @ Kanye and Wayne not following a trend, but yet you admit that T-pain was the only doing it at a certain time.... Some things just don't add up. The length people will go to to defend jay-Z and his "message" is truly amazing. Now people that aren't signed shouldn't be able to use it even if they think its hot in their opinion, and even though the main stream and main streams artist already have had its fair share of bad autotune songs. Wow.

i thought decent meant fair or ok??? Half decent would only make it mediocre but not terrible......Anyways Pain performs live with out auto tune...No why???

All those artist you mention didnt make a hit record with auto tune...

When T pain first did it, people(fans) didnt know what the heck it was, Pain didnt make it popular by himself.....

When everyone is doing the same thing, its not hot anymore....why is that hard to understand? It will prolli sell records and get spins in the club(heck swag on do) but when you trying to get signed a play a auto tune record on your demo...you aint getting signed unless its a very hot record which guys aint putting out.....Why listen to Joe Come-up's average auto tune record when you can listen to TPain?

Its equal to being a sell out...They wasnt going with this sound back since 98, they are doing it to get put on...

[Epiffani]

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i thought decent meant fair or ok??? Half decent would only make it mediocre but not terrible......Anyways Pain performs live with out auto tune...No why???

All those artist yo mention didnt make a hit record woth auto tune...

When T pain first didnt it, people(fans) didnt know what the heck it was, Pain didnt make it popular by himself.....

When everyone is doing the same thing, its not hot anymore....why is that hard to understand?

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well you said "more than half than decent" (whatever that means), I took that as you said he could actually sing. I would have like a link to one of his performances without autotune that you considered "more than half than decent".

Jamie Foxx blame on the alcohol wasn't a hit? Anyways I still don't buy the notion that people didn't know what autotune was prior to Wayne and Kanye using it, T-pain was on so many hit records using it that people started to take notice. Did Wayne and Kanye possibly help enhance autotune in terms of popularity? yeah, probaly so.. But you have to ask yourself this question, did they possibly contribute to people getting tired of it as well? Possibly so. I never found it to be that great anyway (I've come to accept tpain using it since he sounds bad imo without), and I know Kanye and Wayne contributed it becoming an annoyance to me.

You and Jay-Z can continue to say that those three should be the only ones to use it, I just strongly disagree, but to each his own.

It will prolli sell records and get spins in the club(heck swag on do) but when you trying to get signed a play a auto tune record on your demo...you aint getting signed unless its a very hot record which guys aint putting out.....Why listen to Joe Come-up's average auto tune record when you can listen to TPain?

I posed the same question to you, why listen to Kanye and Lil Wayne using autotune when you have T-pain? People have a different way and sound of using it, its that simple. People were making garbage demos talking about the same thing over and over again with or without autotune. Its just the nature of rap music. D.O.A will not stop that fact.