*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

[dossier]

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There was supposed to be a Walt scene in the actual episode, too - it just got cut out. Do you guys think Walt winds up back on the Island?

Maybe he searches forever in purgatory for his father, who remains on the island.

[quaziemoto3]

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And over-analyze.

maybe.

[Sportsforever]

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Thanks, Skerik...that is the best explanation I have seen yet and actually, as stupid as it sounds, redeems a the show in a way for me. My biggest frustration was not understanding what role dharma/the others played, but he explained it and I feel like an idiot for missing it now.

[soltrain]

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In my head Walt was originally the one Jacob wanted and he made Alpert tell The Others to kidnap him. Jacob assumed Walt was empty. His mom passed away and Michael was non-existent in his life.

But then, Jacob (from a distance) found out that Michael cared about Walt and was going to stop at nothing to get him back. He saw love - so he let him go (and leave the Island completely) just like he scratched Kate off the list because she came a mother.

[P2K]

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Thanks, Skerik...that is the best explanation I have seen yet and actually, as stupid as it sounds, redeems a the show in a way for me. My biggest frustration was not understanding what role dharma/the others played, but he explained it and I feel like an idiot for missing it now.

I still don't like how they transitioned to the other half of the series, but I'm with you. The was the best possible explanation I've heard.

[USF11]

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I will say I think they mishandled the Widmore character. There should have been more story regarding the conflict between him and Ben.

Who was financially backing Ben and why?

[poster]

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That was a good read. My memory is foggy, but I don't understand the part about MIB "corrupting" Ben. What would have been done to corrupt him? Did we see MIB take the form of someone in the earlier episodes to persuade Ben?

[HealyMonster]

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That was a good read. My memory is foggy, but I don't understand the part about MIB "corrupting" Ben. What would have been done to corrupt him? Did we see MIB take the form of someone in the earlier episodes to persuade Ben?

yeah remember "christian" told Locke to move the Island and In turn Ben did.

I think the article "implies" that similar circumstances lead to the "purge" as well but it wasn't shown, we just see Ben saying "Jacob" told him to do it.

[DrJones]

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yeah remember "christian" told Locke to move the Island and In turn Ben did.

I think the article "implies" that similar circumstances lead to the "purge" as well but it wasn't shown, we just see Ben saying "Jacob" told him to do it.

This is still foggy to me. It's implied that the MiB was residing in Jacob's cabin (for how long, we don't know) and was perhaps influencing Ben's actions as leaders of the Others somehow. There are a few problems with that, though:

- as others have said, the Others had ample opportunity to kill the Candidates and did not do so
- Ben was shocked when Locke said that "Jacob" talked to him; Ben claimed that "Jacob" had never talked to him (Ben may have been lying, but I don't think so)
- Richard was Jacob's sole emissary to the Others; since Richard knew what Jacob looked like and MiB couldn't assume Jacob's form, it's unclear how MiB could influence the Others through Richard
- it's really fuzzy whether the Purge was initiated by Jacob, MiB, or the Others' leadership (Widmore, not Ben); personally, I think Jacob ordered it, or at the very least was not opposed to it; I saw the Others as Jacob's foot soldiers, prepared to physically defend the island from intruders who would exploit or possibly harm the Island; Richard was okay with the Purge, as he was with the execution of the US Army soldiers who brought Jughead to the Island in 1954; the fact that "Mother" murdered the people that MiB was living with, when they were getting close to harnessing the Island's energy, supports this

What about the cabin? Here's my theory. The cabin was used by Jacob as a place to meet Richard. Perhaps the ash circle was to keep the MiB out. At some undetermined time, Jacob left to dwell full-time in the statue's foot and Richard met him there instead.

The MiB then took up residence in the cabin and posed as Jacob (though not in Jacob's true form) to Ben. Ben, being the control freak that he is, probably resented Richard's role and probably thought he was cutting out the middleman. However, although "Jacob" made his presence known to Ben in the cabin, he never actually talked to him directly. Thus Ben's shock when "Jacob" talked to Locke. IMO the MiB was doing this to foster Ben's resentment toward both Locke and the real Jacob, part of MiB's plan for using both Ben and Locke to ultimately kill Jacob. When Ben stabs Jacob at the end of Season 5, he claims it's because Jacob ignored him and favoured Locke.

[Santino]

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This is still foggy to me. It's implied that the MiB was residing in Jacob's cabin (for how long, we don't know) and was perhaps influencing Ben's actions as leaders of the Others somehow. There are a few problems with that, though:

- as others have said, the Others had ample opportunity to kill the Candidates and did not do so
- Ben was shocked when Locke said that "Jacob" talked to him; Ben claimed that "Jacob" had never talked to him (Ben may have been lying, but I don't think so)
- Richard was Jacob's sole emissary to the Others; since Richard knew what Jacob looked like and MiB couldn't assume Jacob's form, it's unclear how MiB could influence the Others through Richard
- it's really fuzzy whether the Purge was initiated by Jacob, MiB, or the Others' leadership (Widmore, not Ben); personally, I think Jacob ordered it, or at the very least was not opposed to it; I saw the Others as Jacob's foot soldiers, prepared to physically defend the island from intruders who would exploit or possibly harm the Island; Richard was okay with the Purge, as he was with the execution of the US Army soldiers who brought Jughead to the Island in 1954; the fact that "Mother" murdered the people that MiB was living with, when they were getting close to harnessing the Island's energy, supports this

What about the cabin? Here's my theory. The cabin was used by Jacob as a place to meet Richard. Perhaps the ash circle was to keep the MiB out. At some undetermined time, Jacob left to dwell full-time in the statue's foot and Richard met him there instead.

The MiB then took up residence in the cabin and posed as Jacob (though not in Jacob's true form) to Ben. Ben, being the control freak that he is, probably resented Richard's role and probably thought he was cutting out the middleman. However, although "Jacob" made his presence known to Ben in the cabin, he never actually talked to him directly. Thus Ben's shock when "Jacob" talked to Locke. IMO the MiB was doing this to foster Ben's resentment toward both Locke and the real Jacob, part of MiB's plan for using both Ben and Locke to ultimately kill Jacob. When Ben stabs Jacob at the end of Season 5, he claims it's because Jacob ignored him and favoured Locke.

While it makes total sense that it was MiB in the cabin when Locke and Ben were there, the ashes would have trapped him inside or it would have kept him out. It would explain Locke hearing the man inside say "Help me", but we saw Smokey/MiB's presence around the Island before that. I think it had to have been Jacob. I do think MiB was in there later as Christian, but that was after Hurley had broken the circle when he was there.

[CaptainZombie]

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Didn't see this posted - apologies if it was. I've read a lot of theories and analysis about this show, but this is among the best of them.

That was some good stuff there.

[LionsFanNJ]

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When is The Walking Dead premiering and what station? It is the zombie TV show based off of the comic book correct?

You're right about what it is, and its airing on Mad Men and Breaking Bad's station AMC starting in October.

[poster]

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yeah remember "christian" told Locke to move the Island and In turn Ben did.

I think the article "implies" that similar circumstances lead to the "purge" as well but it wasn't shown, we just see Ben saying "Jacob" told him to do it.

Ahhh, thanks for that.

[ChaseB]

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I rewatched the final episode and have an even greater appreciation for how well everything came off. The finale truly outdid my expectations, which is a rarity for something like this.

Sad to see the show go, but they did it right and I know I'll be rewatching the series for years to come.

[CMH]

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While it makes total sense that it was MiB in the cabin when Locke and Ben were there, the ashes would have trapped him inside or it would have kept him out. It would explain Locke hearing the man inside say "Help me", but we saw Smokey/MiB's presence around the Island before that. I think it had to have been Jacob. I do think MiB was in there later as Christian, but that was after Hurley had broken the circle when he was there.

Yea, the cabin is still very unclear to me. I feel as if there is something missing. Either a scene that was edited out or a plot point that wasn't explained fully.

Someone says: "Help me." Whether it's Jacob or MiB, the question seems confusing. Why would either of them ask for help in that manner?