*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

[MachoMyers]

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I just read everyone of your posts guys.
Good stuff. Cant wait til next week!

Spoiler

Is no one else intrigued by what happend to Jin and Sun in the alternate timeline? Does Sun not know english? Is she just obeying Jin and trying not to stop anything? And why are they (along with Kate) the only people that seem to be the same on the flight? Whereas Jack, Hurley, Locke all seem different?

If you remember Sun was going to leave Jin when they got to LA. If she doesn't interfere at the border check and not speak up Jin gets carted off and gets deported back to Korea/goes to jail and what she had planned on doing is done.

[Jukeman]

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I think "the loophole" that smokey found was that Ben was brought back to life in the temple with clean water - and only someone brought back to life in the temple could kill Jacob. And now we have Sayid, brought back to life in the temple with unclean water...so maybe he is the only one who can kill smokey.

That makes sense...

plus MiB NEVER took over Locke's body, so where did the the theory of Sayid being possed come from???

Also Sayid Said "What happenend?" I doubt Jacob would say that after reviving...

[Money99]

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So, I'm not sure if I believe Jacob is now Sayid. At least not yet. I can see it being a possibility, but I see Jacob and MiB as equals and MiB simply took on Locke's form and didn't possess his body.

As for the present day-LAX universe, maybe its the alternate universe that didn't have Jacob's/MiB's influence? Showing the island submerged and at the bottom of the sea leads me to believe that Jacob and MiB aren't with us in the LAX universe and so maybe their influence hasn't been projected over the Losties prior to the flight.

The producers on the Jimmy Kimmel show confirmed that Jacob is not possessing Sayid's body.
It's going to be interesting to see who is.

[Money99]

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This is an excellent story on Jeffery Lieber and his involvement with Lost.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2007/Cast-Away/index.php?cp=1&si=0&cparticle=1&siarticle=0#artanc

I'm also glad that it didn't turn into a Cast Away type show. If that was the goal, I would have tuned out a long time ago.

Man, Lieber got lucky as far as I'm concerned.
He complains that 'if they wanted monsters and supernatural elements, I would have written that in'. But the thing is, the executives didn't even know they wanted to go that route.
Lindelof and Abrams came up with that angle on their own. To me, that signifies that they were the creative geniuses. Lieber didn't even think of something that cool.

Like you said Van, if the show was just a scripted survivor, cast away type show, I wouldn't have cared for it. And it probably would have been canceled after one season.
Abrams and Lindelof saved this show from being a one-and-done. And to think they only get 20% each for basically driving one of the most popular shows in our lifetime.
Leiber should be kissing their butts every day for getting him 60% for doing nothing.

[garnettrules21]

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So many great theories, love reading this thread. I wonder if Walt will somehow play a part in this season. He had a pretty big gift/power if I remember but nothing really ever came of it on the show.

I wish every episode was 2 hours and they do a 23 episode season with the last 3 episodes explaining every single detail and reason lol.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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One thing I always wanted to know was why was Libby in a mental institute with Hurley? They've gotta bring her back somehow and go into that.

[matthawk]

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The more I think about it, the more I thik Sayid is still just Sayid, but changed in some way. He was alive when he went into the spring/pool. This may have been how Richard stays young. Maybe Sayid is similar to Richard (and maybe even Ben) now.

I'm a little cinfused about smokey and the temple. In the past, smokey came out of the hole they used to get to the temple. That makes it seem like smokey has had access to the temple in the past, but now the "new others" are trying to keep it out? Could it be that both Jacob & the MiB can change into a smoke monster, so there are two of them? Didn't Ecko once get left alone by smoky and yet later he was killed by it? Maybe each encounter was with a different one.

I went back and watched the episode where the cabin first appeared. The figure that appeared in there said to John "Help Me", but Ben didn't hear it. The ash circle was there and never broken.

I know they will never answer all of our questions, but there are few big elephants in the room that they need to address during the final episodes:

- The Numbers
- Walt's powers, which he had prior to coming to the island
- Why the children were being taken, and why women giving birth died on the island
- Who/what smokey really is
- The whispering
- Why are all these people tied together? For example, Jack and Claire are siblings. What is the reason for that?
- What are the rules to this game that is being played. ben referred to them, but what are they?

I could come up a dozen more, but these to me are the big ones.

I just hope the series doesn't end with the island taking off into space because it was an alien ship, and Jacob & the MiB are just aliens using the whole thing as an experiment.

[soltrain]

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One thing I always wanted to know was why was Libby in a mental institute with Hurley? They've gotta bring her back somehow and go into that.

I assume we'll see an episode with Ana Lucia, Eko and Libby. Libby for sure. They really, really need to explain that. Even if it's one line.

[moose1619]

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i would have enjoyed the show more if it had been a cast away type show, to me that was the original idea. The sci fi involved wasn't there from the beginning. That evolved over the series. You can tell the writers drifted big time in this series. Even though I like the show I enjoyed season 1 and 2 way more than the later seasons. It all goes back to things like Ben being a 2 or 3 episode character to all of the sudden and big time player. These writers made it up as they went along. The beginning and end may have been there, but they said lets milk the middle for as much as we can. Anyway just my .02. FYI, I still am hooked on the show, i would have just like to have seen where the orignal guy took the series.

[CMH]

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I assume we'll see an episode with Ana Lucia, Eko and Libby. Libby for sure. They really, really need to explain that. Even if it's one line.

You may call this a spoiler, but I think it's just the hard cold truth: you won't.

Lindelof: "It’s impossible to tie up every loose end, and we don’t really consider, honestly, Libby’s story is incredibly tangential to the principle action on the show. For us, the focus of the final season really has to be on the main characters and what would generally be acknowledged as the most significant mysteries.”

[CMH]

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i would have enjoyed the show more if it had been a cast away type show, to me that was the original idea. The sci fi involved wasn't there from the beginning. That evolved over the series. You can tell the writers drifted big time in this series.

I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion.

The first episode had the smoke monster right out there. This show was based on science-fiction from the get-go but, they made it about the survivors first because you had to care about them and everything was being driven by their actions (in a sense).

If the show kicked off with the DHARMA Initiative and time travel, people would have been even more confused. I'd wager people would have dropped the show altogether.

I know a large base likes to think things were made up as they went, that the producers had no idea what they were doing, and while it's a fact that some things were adjusted, added to fit the needs of the show and the viewers, the basis of the show has remained entirely intact.

I think people want to believe that all six seasons were supposed to be planned word for word. They use examples like Jack wasn't supposed to survive beyond a few episodes or that Ben Linus was only a guest role but is now crucial to the series to prove otherwise. But are Jack and Ben part of the theme of the series? Are they not just moving parts, a part of the large scheme of things?

You devise an outline and you say: the Island is a character and strange things happen here. There is a man that rules the Island and he has a nemesis. We want there to be a sense of history there, a native people that currently live there. We also want a science expedition to have used the Island to harness it's power.

They might not have known who that science team would be or who the Others were exactly, but they knew they were there. They knew they existed. These things get fleshed out as you write the show.

Lindelof has pointed out that the discussion about who DHARMA was, why they were there, how important they'd be didn't happen until Locke and Boone discovered the hatch. Once they had moved into that portion of the story in season one, they (Lindelof and Cuse) sat down together and fleshed out the entire history of DHARMA. I imagine many other things were done the same way.

But, you watch from season one and it's obvious how many little things pop up then that are crucial to the series today. If the producers did not know where they were going with the series, how could they throw so much into the first season?

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But, I should add that you are right about the middle being milked. And again, Lindelof and Cuse have admitted it. They have said over and over again that they ran out of story to tell because they had no choice but to milk the middle. They knew where they wanted to go, but they couldn't move to that point because the series was on-going.

That's why they negotiated an end date. They had to. And we all know how things turned around since then. Once they knew there was an end date, LOST became an intense, fact-paced show where things happened every moment, rather than the dragging along in season two and the first half of season three.

[moose1619]

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Let me rephrase my original thought. I believe the idea of a plane crash on a mysterious island was the main idea. The island was meant to have other people and a monster. I do not believe the smoke monster was the original idea, maybe a monster of sorts, but not the smoke moster. i can buy into the idea of previous inhabitants, and scientific research, but I think they changed the idea of what was really on the island as the show progressed.

[CMH]

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Let me rephrase my original thought. I believe the idea of a plane crash on a mysterious island was the main idea. The island was meant to have other people and a monster. I do not believe the smoke monster was the original idea, maybe a monster of sorts, but not the smoke moster. i can buy into the idea of previous inhabitants, and scientific research, but I think they changed the idea of what was really on the island as the show progressed.

You may be right. They might not have known what the monster was going to look like or what it would be exactly.

For me, I don't see many inconsistencies in the series. There are minor things like Sayid once saying in season one that he remembers the face of every man he tortured, but then in the S6 premiere saying that he has tortured more people than he can remember. To me, that's minor. It's whatever. It's pretty much how people talk anyway so I let it slide.

If the producers changed things here and there or added as they went (I'm sure they did), then they had to have a strong base because it's all connected in some way. I think there are things they wanted to expand on and just never got the chance to (Walt is a major example), but Walt is also a special circumstance that had more to do with puberty than anything else.

Anyway, I get it. I get your point.

Time travel is a good example of something that was likely added to improve the story. Lindelof himself stated that when they thought up the whole idea of DHARMA and the Incident, it was then that they thought, "Wouldn't it be cool if it was the Survivors themselves that actually caused this Incident? And everything they'll want to do to prevent it is what actually ends up making it happen?"

So, the only way you can tell that story is through time travel. And time travel was also a convenient way to tell backstory on the Island.

Anyway, this is a subject we've beaten to death here, so I'll just retire from it. I'm kinda getting burned out talking about LOST.

[moose1619]

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Regardless of anything, I am still a fan of the show.

[HealyMonster]

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You may call this a spoiler, but I think it's just the hard cold truth: you won't.

Lindelof: "It’s impossible to tie up every loose end, and we don’t really consider, honestly, Libby’s story is incredibly tangential to the principle action on the show. For us, the focus of the final season really has to be on the main characters and what would generally be acknowledged as the most significant mysteries.”

Yankee, that was when the official word from the actor that plays Libby was "I will neevr come back to lost". She has since signed on to be in season 6 so we might actually get to find out what that was all about.