*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

[Beantown]

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The beach scene in Season Five really ruins any chance, in my mind, that the MiB is the good guy.

The Good Guy in the situation would not say "Do you know how badly I want to kill you?" They'd use a word like 'stop' or something along those lines.

Now, if you want to argue that both Jacob and Nemesis are "morally gray" or "tweeners" (in wrestling terms), I could definitely see that:

The Nemesis kills, Jacob interferes with people's lives.

[poster]

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I looked up 'Jacob's Cabin' on Lostpedia to try to remember the pieces:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_cabin

It seems unknown as to how the ash circle was broken.

During the first Locke visit, everyone carefully stepped over it. When Hurley found it, there was no ash. During Locke's second visit, he didn't find the cabin, but found the ash in the same spot.

During Ilana's visit, Bram noticed the circle has been broken. Then Ilana concluded that Jacob had not been there for a long time so they burned it. She found the cloth attached to the wall by knife. Is this the same cloth that MiB/Locke cut after killing Jacob? Can't be, right?

Whomever brought up Ben summoning the Smoke Monster in Season 5, also interesting. Ben was so shocked yesterday after what occurred, it is hard to imagine it is the same Smoke Monster he summoned at that time. Maybe he didn't summon it?

EDIT: Does/did Ben know what the ash is or what it is for? He must if he stepped over it during the first visit. If he seemed to know what the smoke monster was or summoned it at that one point, it would seem whatever he thought it was is different then what could attack Jacob? I guess that confuses me, hope I am making sense. Ha.

[ehh]

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Lost has always had characters drift back and forth between being good and evil, between being likable and a total d-bag. Jack, Ben, Locke, Sawyer, etc. No reason to think MIB and Jacob won't follow suit, I certainly would not bank on Jacob being the good guy and MIB being the bad guy. That's too simple for Lost.

[CMH]

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Yea, it's probably more like Longhorn said. They both sit in the gray with their actions and reasons, but one is likely inching closer to black than the other.

[Jukeman]

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Man its going to be hard waiting week to week...

I just started watching back in Nov lol I actually spent a whole day watching Lost(sick day)

Sooo many theories, I cant wait to see what actually happens but this thread will keep me from going crazy, I may even re watch some episodes again to see if I pick up anthing

I cant imagine how it felt for the people who've been following since day one to wait for the final season....Im lucky

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing that we were introduced to new characters last night, the temple people (Dogen/Lennon). Now I'm sure we will see some sort of back story on these guys and this will take away time from the other characters. I have faith in Damon and Carlton, but I'm sure this turned some viewers off.

I've reached the point where I don't know what type of ending is going to please me. Should I root for them to be happy or sad? Should I want them dead or alive? Most of the Losties have good and bad qualities about them. Are the flash sideways going to lead the Losties back on a plane to Australia? Of course this was already a major plot point last season. I have to imagine we will see the 2 realities merge at one point.

Who would have thought this is what the show would be about after watching the first 15 minutes of the pilot.

[CMH]

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I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing that we were introduced to new characters last night, the temple people (Dogen/Lennon). Now I'm sure we will see some sort of back story on these guys and this will take away time from the other characters. I have faith in Damon and Carlton, but I'm sure this turned some viewers off.

I think any back story on Dogen and Lennon is going to involve back story on the Others, Richard Alpert and/or Jacob and the Man in Black. So I don't feel threatened by the arrival of new characters. I'm encouraged that they are here.

Who would have thought this is what the show would be about after watching the first 15 minutes of the pilot.

Definitely no clue. But, I'm glad they didn't go the direction Lieber (the man credited with creation of the series along with JJ and Lindelof). He wanted it to be Cast Away the series. ABC knew that was a mistake.

[Money99]

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Okay, some thoughts from my long drive home.

- When the real Locke asked Ben to take him to see Jacob he took him to an abandon cabin.
But when the fake Locke asked Richard to take him to Jacob he took him to his real home in the foot.
Could this indicate that Ben sold out to the MIB earlier in his life and was secretly working with him for years? Perhaps he took Locke there hoping MIB would kill Locke?
And what if he had the MIB trapped in the cabin surrounded by the ash? Maybe this meant that the MIB was at Ben's disposal? It might explain how Ben could summon him from beneath his home?
This might also explain why the Others are prone to doing bad things. Their leader was Ben, afterall, and he might have been working with MIB.

- Jacob planned on Oceanic 815 to come to the island and Ben was also privy to this information.
There a list that all the main characters belonged to but Jack wasn't on there. Why was he put on the plane then? Because Ben had cancer in his spine and needed a spine surgeon. So he rigged for Jack to be on that plane.

This could all be bunk. But maybe that old guy sitting in the chair was really MIB aged and caged?

EDIT: MIB said he remembered Richard in shackles. Was Richard a slave aboard the Black Rock?

[WDOgF0reL1fe]

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I just read everyone of your posts guys.
Good stuff. Cant wait til next week!

Spoiler

Is no one else intrigued by what happend to Jin and Sun in the alternate timeline? Does Sun not know english? Is she just obeying Jin and trying not to stop anything? And why are they (along with Kate) the only people that seem to be the same on the flight? Whereas Jack, Hurley, Locke all seem different?

[ASB37]

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Sayid is not the smoke monster. That was Sayid's body and smokey hasn't actually used a body, just taken the form. So Sayid is either alive or something else happened.

This is a great point, I now have no Idea what is going on with Sayid, clearly having Jacob or MiB take his form is too easy, plus with Locke his dead body is separate from his "smokey" body so who knows what Sayid's deal is.

I cant imagine how it felt for the people who've been following since day one to wait for the final season....Im lucky

It has been the most epically frustrating roller coaster ride ever. I remember watching the pilot because it got alot of hype, and I thought a show about a group that survives a plane crash would be pretty cool. I had NO idea in a few years I'd be trying to wrap my head around time travel and alternate timelines.

I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing that we were introduced to new characters last night, the temple people (Dogen/Lennon). Now I'm sure we will see some sort of back story on these guys and this will take away time from the other characters. I have faith in Damon and Carlton, but I'm sure this turned some viewers off.

I've reached the point where I don't know what type of ending is going to please me. Should I root for them to be happy or sad? Should I want them dead or alive? Most of the Losties have good and bad qualities about them. Are the flash sideways going to lead the Losties back on a plane to Australia? Of course this was already a major plot point last season. I have to imagine we will see the 2 realities merge at one point.

Who would have thought this is what the show would be about after watching the first 15 minutes of the pilot.

I agree, I think alot about how I would want this show to end and I can't even answer that. With other shows I've watched and gotten hyped for the finale (the Sopranos comes to mind) I had a certain ending that I felt would wrap things up nicely for me. After being disappointed with how The Sopranos ended, maybe it's for the best I don't focus on one particular ending for the show, and just let the story be told. I guess that's the beauty of lost.

[USF11]

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I agree, I think alot about how I would want this show to end and I can't even answer that. With other shows I've watched and gotten hyped for the finale (the Sopranos comes to mind) I had a certain ending that I felt would wrap things up nicely for me. After being disappointed with how The Sopranos ended, maybe it's for the best I don't focus on one particular ending for the show, and just let the story be told. I guess that's the beauty of lost.

I've thought about this, you would think the show would end with each character fixing their character flaws.

I refuse to believe the writers knew the direction they were heading from the get-go. I'm willing to bet that the popularity of the show gave the writers leverage to change directions from the original premise.

Theres so many twists and turns that looking back where filler...its almost like "24" where the same thing has happened in every season just moved and tweaked alittle.

[CMH]

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Okay, some thoughts from my long drive home.

- When the real Locke asked Ben to take him to see Jacob he took him to an abandon cabin.
But when the fake Locke asked Richard to take him to Jacob he took him to his real home in the foot.
Could this indicate that Ben sold out to the MIB earlier in his life and was secretly working with him for years? Perhaps he took Locke there hoping MIB would kill Locke?
And what if he had the MIB trapped in the cabin surrounded by the ash? Maybe this meant that the MIB was at Ben's disposal? It might explain how Ben could summon him from beneath his home?
This might also explain why the Others are prone to doing bad things. Their leader was Ben, afterall, and he might have been working with MIB.

- Jacob planned on Oceanic 815 to come to the island and Ben was also privy to this information.
There a list that all the main characters belonged to but Jack wasn't on there. Why was he put on the plane then? Because Ben had cancer in his spine and needed a spine surgeon. So he rigged for Jack to be on that plane.

This could all be bunk. But maybe that old guy sitting in the chair was really MIB aged and caged?

EDIT: MIB said he remembered Richard in shackles. Was Richard a slave aboard the Black Rock?

1. I think it just proves that Ben knew nothing. As Jacob said: "What about you?" Ben was happy believing he was the leader, that he had a connection to the Island because he couldn't see himself being like the people DHARMA brought along. But, that wasn't the plan set out for him. Ben believed what he wanted to believe. Jacob and Alpert let him believe as he wanted, but Ben was never granted permission to see Jacob. Ben was never special and deep down he always knew it. That's why he felt threatened by Locke.

2. I have a hard time believing that Ben was involved with the MiB because he is legitimately confused when he discovers that Locke isn't Locke. If he was working with him, then none of this would be a surprise to him.

3. Please remind me when Ben knew that flight 815 was going to crash? What I remember is Ben needing a surgeon and finding out that one of the people that was on the plane was a surgeon. He called it a gift from the Island. Because he needed a surgeon, the Island presented him with one.

And Jack was on Klugh's list. He wasn't on Jacob's Lists, but neither was Sayid or Kate. The list Klugh gave Michael included Kate and Hurley - both of whom happen to be with Jack when Dogen reads the new list in the guitar case.

I like to think that Ben lied about Jacob's list.

And yes, I think it's implied that Richard was a slave on the boat.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Definitely no clue. But, I'm glad they didn't go the direction Lieber (the man credited with creation of the series along with JJ and Lindelof). He wanted it to be Cast Away the series. ABC knew that was a mistake.

This is an excellent story on Jeffery Lieber and his involvement with Lost.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2007/Cast-Away/index.php?cp=1&si=0&cparticle=1&siarticle=0#artanc

I'm also glad that it didn't turn into a Cast Away type show. If that was the goal, I would have tuned out a long time ago.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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So, I'm not sure if I believe Jacob is now Sayid. At least not yet. I can see it being a possibility, but I see Jacob and MiB as equals and MiB simply took on Locke's form and didn't possess his body.

As for the present day-LAX universe, maybe its the alternate universe that didn't have Jacob's/MiB's influence? Showing the island submerged and at the bottom of the sea leads me to believe that Jacob and MiB aren't with us in the LAX universe and so maybe their influence hasn't been projected over the Losties prior to the flight.

[soltrain]

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I think "the loophole" that smokey found was that Ben was brought back to life in the temple with clean water - and only someone brought back to life in the temple could kill Jacob. And now we have Sayid, brought back to life in the temple with unclean water...so maybe he is the only one who can kill smokey.