*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

[Beantown]

Re: *** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

Coming into this thread is turning into a real buzzkill.

I must be watching a different season or something, so I'm, more than likely, going to stay out of this thread for awhile and enjoy the series. Season six, minus two or three episodes, has been one of my favorites...so I must be looking for different things or something. Peace.

[ChaseB]

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I know you don't mean it to sound this way, but cutting corners is the worst thing they could do if they're gearing up for the finale.

I understand the need to have certain characters lined up for the final two hours, but don't get rid of them just because you think it'll be cool. There was no reason to kill Jin and Sun. None! They did nothing to receive that poor outcome.

It was as if they decided: "We are going to kill them off because it'll make fans: 1. know that we can do whatever we want which makes no one safe (meaning Kate is a potential goner) and 2. very, very sad because we know they really liked these people.

Then someone said: "Ok, that's great...now, how do we do it?" And from there it was just a brainstorm of stupidity because there was no real reason to get rid of them. Same for Sayid, really. What was that whole attempt? We were fed a story about him being taken over by this darkness and rather than see that play out, he just decides to blow himself up?

Get the heck out of here with that nonsense. I'm extremely disappointed with how this was all handled.

Sayid was looking for a reason to die -- that was pretty much assumed after the incident with Desmond at the well. And Sayid had the strongest motivation to do this because he felt lied to and manipulated by Locke. Plus, I don't think there is a way for them to run from the C4 after the clock is ticking down that fast unless someone takes one for the team. Before that Jack is trying to talk them out of even pulling out the wires so I don't really have a beef with this sequence.

As for Sun and Jin, I don't really have a strong opinion about it being the right move or not. I think it's more powerful to have them die together than having them live happily ever after though. However, if I had a beef it wouldn't be what you're talking about, which I think is moot, it has more to do with Sun not saying swim away so you can be with our daughter. I mean while we don't care about the child in the same way, it does seem a bit selfish of both parents to go down because they can't stand living without each other again after searching for each other all this time. Maybe death is the device they thought would prove how strong their bond was after being away from each other for so long (though I don't think it's as powerful as it could have been since the multiple seasons and plot points sometimes made people forget how long Sun and Jin had really been away from each other).

Either way, candidates have to keep dying. You can talk about which ones are more "deserving" to die first or whatever, but the whole driving force of this is the smoke monster wanting to leave and having to kill everyone to do that. Their deaths this week firmly established what we already assumed, which was that Smokey can't go until all the candidates are dead. He can't be some bumbling fool who doesn't seem like a danger to pull off his plan to escape otherwise he's not a credible villain.

In the grand scheme of things, I do agree with you that character motives aren't always clear or logical on Lost (or any show) though, so the overall point is one I think anyone would agree with.

PS, I don't really agree with your assessment about Charlie's death either but that's OK.

And PPS, as a final aside, I just want to say something about this final season. There is a lot of hate for it and that's not surprising given this type of show is not going to please everyone with how it all ends. However, the journey Jack has been on since the Lighthouse has made me, a person who was not always a Jack fan, a pretty big Jack fan who I am siding with at this point (though I still side with Smokey here and there on a few points) -- I find my liking Jack a bit odd because the Lighthouse episode itself was one of the weaker episodes in the season, but it served its purpose in the grand scheme of things. The fact that the season has made me like Jack is a +1 to the writers.

And beyond that, I think tonight's episode was just really strong. It's saying something when Sun, Jin, Sayid and Lapidus dying in one sequence is actually third on the most powerful scenes list. That scene with Jack and Sawyer was just awesome when Jack is now the man of faith in the sub rather than being the man of science in the hatch, while now Sawyer is playing the Jack role. And then that scene with Jack and Locke in the hospital was just great where even in the sideways world these two just can't see eye to eye on anything even though they are SO close to doing so -- then ending it where Locke knows he's heard the "I wish you had believed me" line somewhere.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Dogen told his backstory. He was brought to the Island by Jacob and was promised he would get his son back if he did the job Jacob wanted him to do.

I forgot about that. IIRC Sayid shot Dogen but he fell into the same pool that Sayid fell into and came back to life, so I wonder if Dogen is still alive. If not, why did Sayid came back to life and not Dogen?

At this point, it seems like the Temple people/scenes were a pretty big waste of time.

I can't wait for the eventual Q+A with Damon and Carlton where they look back at the series. I want to know how much they really planned for the show before the pilot was shot.

[LionsFanNJ]

Re: *** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

Coming into this thread is turning into a real buzzkill.

I must be watching a different season or something, so I'm, more than likely, going to stay out of this thread for awhile and enjoy the series. Season six, minus two or three episodes, has been one of my favorites...so I must be looking for different things or something. Peace.

I'm with you, i think i'm gonna pass on the thread for a long minute, maybe until the finale, but like i said, it'll be like BSG where half the people hate it, and judging by the recent tone this thread will lean towards the hate. Carry on gentlemen.

[CMH]

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Sayid was looking for a reason to die -- that was pretty much assumed after the incident with Desmond at the well. And Sayid had the strongest motivation to do this because he felt lied to and manipulated by Locke. Plus, I don't think there is a way for them to run from the C4 after the clock is ticking down that fast unless someone takes one for the team. Before that Jack is trying to talk them out of even pulling out the wires so I don't really have a beef with this sequence.

Probably the most logical way to look at it and this changes my opinion. Everyone else I have spoken to about it likes the scene because they think Sayid was being a badass and doing something awesome. I saw that as poor motivation and it disappointed me because Sayid isn't that type of person.

As for Sun and Jin, I don't really have a strong opinion about it being the right move or not. I think it's more powerful to have them die together than having them live happily ever after though. However, if I had a beef it wouldn't be what you're talking about, which I think is moot, it has more to do with Sun not saying swim away so you can be with our daughter. I mean while we don't care about the child in the same way, it does seem a bit selfish of both parents to go down because they can't stand living without each other again after searching for each other all this time. Maybe death is the device they thought would prove how strong their bond was after being away from each other for so long (though I don't think it's as powerful as it could have been since the multiple seasons and plot points sometimes made people forget how long Sun and Jin had really been away from each other).

I didn't mention it here but I did mention it elsewhere, about the daughter. I found it strange and upsetting that neither mentioned their daughter despite having done so just hours before.

I found it rather obvious that the writers avoided having Sun say: "Leave for our daughter," because we all know Jin would have done just that.

But, that's where I'm getting at. The motivation is messed up. I have a hard time believing Jin and Sun wanted to die when they ignore something so important. I also have a hard time believing that Sayid would make such an irrational decision based on impulse, but still have the time to rationally plan out a message for Jack. It's backwards.

[CMH]

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I'm with you, i think i'm gonna pass on the thread for a long minute, maybe until the finale, but like i said, it'll be like BSG where half the people hate it, and judging by the recent tone this thread will lean towards the hate. Carry on gentlemen.

For me, I still love the show. I won't complain with how it ends. It's their story to tell and I'm just watching it.

But I'm going to point out flaws in their design if they are so obvious about setting up their final two hours.

[FORMULA316]

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I won't get into the nuts & bolts of last nights episode, other than I thought it
was incredibly when Sun and Jin passed. The Sun and Jin reunion was so
short-lived! I am sure many of us wanted more. It was a very romantic death.

[Leon]

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Pretty good reading about last night's episode. CLICK!

I'll admit, I teared up a bit when Jin and Sun were clearly trapped. You know a show is that good when you're that invested in the characters. Just an amazing episode all-around. Sayid (seemingly) redeeming himself by taking the bomb was sad and heroic. Lapidus was obviously going to die at some point. I knew there were going to be deaths but this many, all major characters but one, and it's not even the finale yet.

There should be no doubt anymore that FLocke is bad. Jack is just about a sure-bet to be THE candidate or some kind of major hero that's for sure. While I certainly can't wait to see how this all ends, I can't help but be sad that it really is ending.

[Skerik]

Re: *** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

Coming into this thread is turning into a real buzzkill.

I must be watching a different season or something, so I'm, more than likely, going to stay out of this thread for awhile and enjoy the series. Season six, minus two or three episodes, has been one of my favorites...so I must be looking for different things or something. Peace.

I kind of agree with you, in that the Lost boards I read have become depressing to read as everyone argues about the epic-ness of each episode and how if you think an episode is actually good, you must not be a real fan or something, etc etc. It reminds me of reading Phish boards, which I don't do anymore for the same reason.

I'm still watching the show and I'll follow it to its bitter end, but for my money, this season has been massively disappointing. Massively. When I compare how I feel after an episode this season to how I've felt after "LOST" pops up on the screen in any previous season, there's no comparison. I thought this season would be one big crescendo until its incredible conclusion, but more often than not this season I've just been kind of nonplussed with the story. At this point I feel like I'm almost waiting for it to end.

I'm not saying that because the "in" thing now seems to be hating on Lost and how the story is progressing, I'm saying that because objectively, I can look at this season so far and say it has really, really disappointed me. And there's no pleasure in saying that.

[soltrain]

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Series finale is now 2 and a half hours. Not two hours. Wow.

[rockchisler]

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This entire season has felt rushed - the whole sub scene was almost like a bad B-Movie. I hated every minute of it.


Also the gun fight was horrible, theres 5 of them in the trees shooting and jack is standing up in plainview firing a handgun WTF?

Jack cant Die ..Remember

[poster]

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I am kind of on both sides of the fence here. Still love the show and the story, but this season has felt a little "different". Sometimes the journey to get somewhere is more rewarding then actually getting there, perhaps that is what I am feeling as this is winding down.

At times the scenes and plots have felt rushed, other times it seems like they aren't moving quick enough in order to answer some questions before the end. That is playing both sides and isn't fair to be honest, hard to explain but just a feeling I have been getting. I know alot won't be answered and that is fine, just want some things I am interested in more to be answered.

Not really sure about the whole bomb scene. The point Chase made about Sayid is a good one, so Desmond must have convinced him. Jack was convinced (similar to the dynamite scene in the Black Rock with Richard) that no matter what he was meant to live so nothing would happen. Sawyer didn't believe him which is understandable, but if he didn't pull the wires (was it him or Sayid?) would the bomb had not blown? Since it eventually did blow, how is this different then the Black Rock when nothing happened because Jack was destined to live? So he would have died here, but not at the Black Rock?

The MIB scene where he is charging the plane and taking bullets, man that seemed so weak and cheesy. I know he is the MIB, but didn't the knife go through him when Sayid tried to kill him? I thought it drew blood, last night the bullets bounced off of him like he was Iron Man with no visable effects on impact.

Seems inconsistent, maybe next week we see how he obtained his true powers, but hopefully it isn't some quick cheap explanation. The mysteries of the island have always fascinated me, hopefully we get alot of clarity on it and Jacob/MIB.

I have loved/hated every character in this series which is awesome and shows what a great show this has been. Sad to see Jin, Sayid and Sun go. Liked Frank too. Also was shocked when nothing was mentioned about their daughter. I kept waiting for Sun to say it and maybe Jin would leave her, which would have been tough. Odd it was omitted even though I understand the point they were conveying with Jin never leaving Sun again.

One cool thing that I need to go back and watch was the scene where Jack and MIB were the last ones to head to the sub. Before they got up from their crouches, the camera angle seemed different, seemed to focus on their backpacks ever so slightly (it seems). While I knew jack was going to try to push MIB in the water, it made me think something was going to happen. When Jack's bag was opened with the C4, I was like ahhhhhhh ok.

Hoping for awesomeness next week.

[Money99]

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Spoiler

Should've listened to Jack. And yeah this had been a great episode. Still shocked that they actually killed Sun and Jin off. Kate could be next.

I hear you. Never once did I suspect that the writers would take us down this road.
It's definitely going to keep viewers on their toes as to who may be next.

[ASB37]

Re: *** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

Coming into this thread is turning into a real buzzkill.

I must be watching a different season or something, so I'm, more than likely, going to stay out of this thread for awhile and enjoy the series. Season six, minus two or three episodes, has been one of my favorites...so I must be looking for different things or something. Peace.

Yeah I can understand people being upset with how things are being set up so to speak, but this is the final season. I'm not expecting to have the same feeling after an episode in the last season, as I did In the other seasons. Maybe I'm just expecting something completely different from S6 then everyone else, but I'm glad they're not making the end of the episodes cliff hangers and trying to keep us guessing. In my opinion the time to do that is over, and S6 is more about pushing the series to its ultimate end.

Now does it feel rushed at times, maybe even a little baffling? Sure, but I have not been disappointed with S6 at all, and I was fully expecting be to before the season started. I really do understand where some of your complaints are coming from, but I guess they just don't really bug me or detract from the overall story in my eyes, like they do for some of you.

[soltrain]

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Probably the most logical way to look at it and this changes my opinion. Everyone else I have spoken to about it likes the scene because they think Sayid was being a badass and doing something awesome. I saw that as poor motivation and it disappointed me because Sayid isn't that type of person.



I didn't mention it here but I did mention it elsewhere, about the daughter. I found it strange and upsetting that neither mentioned their daughter despite having done so just hours before.

I found it rather obvious that the writers avoided having Sun say: "Leave for our daughter," because we all know Jin would have done just that.

But, that's where I'm getting at. The motivation is messed up. I have a hard time believing Jin and Sun wanted to die when they ignore something so important. I also have a hard time believing that Sayid would make such an irrational decision based on impulse, but still have the time to rationally plan out a message for Jack. It's backwards.

Sayid didn't make an irrational decision. His whole character in this series has been about redemption and how he can't change who he is or what he has done in his past. This was his chance. He had a chance to save his friends, he had a chance to be a hero.

It harkens back to the first season when he was poorly misjudged by some (Sawyer) on the Island when all he was actually trying to do was help with electronics.

Really, he couldn't have went out a better way.