*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

[soltrain]

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As for the episode, I'm also a bit ticked off. I have a feeling we'll never get the answer to how Jacob has the powers he does. Or how his mother got them.
The mysteries of the island will remain a mystery.

And that's the biggest problem. They are damned if they do and they are damned if they don't. We saw how the smoke monster was created tonight and it was lame. But if they didn't show us it everyone would be mad.

[moose1619]

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This episode just reinforced my belief that the writers never had a true plan in place. Season's 1-3 felt like an entirely different show from seasons 4-6. The revealing of Adam and Eve just showed me that they wrote in an answer. Again the beginning of the show about a crash, survival and exploration of an unknown island was awesome. The sci-fi elements have really been blah to me. I guess I just put my expectations to high again, i truly thought they would spend more time exploring older versions of Jacob and MIB. For me, the the flashbacks exploring characters was awesome, the flash forward was very creative writing, but some episodes this season have left me shaking my head and saying really......really. FYI...I still like the show and will watch it till the end and plan on rewatching the whole series when it is over.

[soltrain]

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I'm still sort of insulted they showed Kate, Jack and Locke again from Season 1. However - the parallels are there. Jack = Jacob. Locke = Smokey. Kate = Crazy mother who took a baby that wasn't hers.

[Jukeman]

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I'm still sort of insulted they showed Kate, Jack and Locke again from Season 1. However - the parallels are there. Jack = Jacob. Locke = Smokey. Kate = Crazy mother who took a baby that wasn't hers.

you mean Smokey= Sawyer?

[techhokies]

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I think he's talking about only that scene and sawyer wasn't in there. I agree that sawyer always wanting to leave makes him more like smokey though.

[USF11]

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I think he's talking about only that scene and sawyer wasn't in there. I agree that sawyer always wanting to leave makes him more like smokey though.

Sawyer did want to stay on the island when he was with Juliet though.

[dossier]

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You guys are crazy. "I wanted more answers than questions" What the hell did you expect from an hour of Lost? Now we have answers to the Lostie portion so be happy dammit.

Anyways, my theory is this. "The heart of the island" is actually a bad thing (think smoke monster, and its warmth was a tempting illusion) thats just wants evil things to happen. The island was built around it so that nothing could get to it and it couldn't escape. Now the mother that MIB saw was actually that evil light who manifested and then manipulated the MIB into helping it escape.

Fast forward to when he floats down, that releases the monster from that little hole thing to roam free around the island, although it isn't truly free from the island.

To me the story sounds like it's god's or demi-gods or some form of superbeings trapping an evil one in confines so that it can't escape. Think Satan in hell.

[techhokies]

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You guys are crazy. "I wanted more answers than questions" What the hell did you expect from an hour of Lost? Now we have answers to the Lostie portion so be happy dammit.

For me, I actually expected the answers to be delivered this way. I mean I've been watching this show for 6 years, I know that every answer will raise another question, and now I'm sure that the ending will be ambiguous and up to the viewer to decide, which I'm fine with also. My main gripe, was that the answers themselves seemed extremely cheesy. The tunnel of light was one of the worst answer/revelation I've ever seen on any show. It seems like a children's novel that I'm reading, where there's a secret tunnel with all the good and bad in the world but it's forbidden to go into.

I would have rather them just not answer that question at all and just have us go on the current assumption which is that the island is special. That well of light did nothing to further the show or storyline; before that revelation, we knew the island was special, after the well of light, we still know the island is special b/c of something in the well. It just gave us a more pinpoint location and nothing else, but did it in a very cheesy way.

[soltrain]

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For me, I actually expected the answers to be delivered this way. I mean I've been watching this show for 6 years, I know that every answer will raise another question, and now I'm sure that the ending will be ambiguous and up to the viewer to decide, which I'm fine with also. My main gripe, was that the answers themselves seemed extremely cheesy. The tunnel of light was one of the worst answer/revelation I've ever seen on any show. It seems like a children's novel that I'm reading, where there's a secret tunnel with all the good and bad in the world but it's forbidden to go into.

I would have rather them just not answer that question at all and just have us go on the current assumption which is that the island is special. That well of light did nothing to further the show or storyline; before that revelation, we knew the island was special, after the well of light, we still know the island is special b/c of something in the well. It just gave us a more pinpoint location and nothing else, but did it in a very cheesy way.

The well of light has been around since Season 2. And Mother describing it as "light" would make sense considering she isn't a scientist and is in 23 AD. The "well of light" is a spot where the hatch was, where the donkey wheel was and several other things in the show.

That was just an actual opening to it.

[dossier]

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For me, I actually expected the answers to be delivered this way. I mean I've been watching this show for 6 years, I know that every answer will raise another question, and now I'm sure that the ending will be ambiguous and up to the viewer to decide, which I'm fine with also. My main gripe, was that the answers themselves seemed extremely cheesy. The tunnel of light was one of the worst answer/revelation I've ever seen on any show. It seems like a children's novel that I'm reading, where there's a secret tunnel with all the good and bad in the world but it's forbidden to go into.

I would have rather them just not answer that question at all and just have us go on the current assumption which is that the island is special. That well of light did nothing to further the show or storyline; before that revelation, we knew the island was special, after the well of light, we still know the island is special b/c of something in the well. It just gave us a more pinpoint location and nothing else, but did it in a very cheesy way.

I can see where you coming from, but I think you need to give the benefit of the doubt to the writers of Lost, I don't know if it is so fairy tale as what you say.

If it is that way then I will be a little disappointed but not that much.

[techhokies]

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The well of light has been around since Season 2. And Mother describing it as "light" would make sense considering she isn't a scientist and is in 23 AD. The "well of light" is a spot where the hatch was, where the donkey wheel was and several other things in the show.

That was just an actual opening to it.

I assumed that the hatch and the donkey wheel weren't at the well of light. When MIB was explaining the donkey wheel, he said that it had created a system where he could still access that light. And when he was dragged there by Jacob, he seemed surprised to see it and asked him why mother brought Jacob there. But of course, after he became smokey, he could have moved the wheel to the correct location by the well.

[soltrain]

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I assumed that the hatch and the donkey wheel weren't at the well of light. When MIB was explaining the donkey wheel, he said that it had created a system where he could still access that light. And when he was dragged there by Jacob, he seemed surprised to see it and asked him why mother brought Jacob there. But of course, after he became smokey, he could have moved the wheel to the correct location by the well.

He said there were a bunch of those pockets around the Island - which was also known because of Dharma.

[techhokies]

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Yea but up until now, those pockets just were explained as having a ton of electromagnetic energy. We never knew the source of it. The well was their explanation of why it was electromagnetic. And those pockets only had extra energy, not that they had access to it. That's why MIB was so happy w/ the last cave that he built around the donkey wheel, because that was the one cave where he did have access to some of the light. And I just think that the well was a bad explanation of it, they could have just not explained it, or given us a better answer.

[CMH]

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Ok, so the thing about the Mother that stood out to me was the sound effect that played every time she spoke. It sounded like the smoke monster from a distance.

I'm not sure what the significance of that might be, but I couldn't stop thinking that she has some connection to that thing.

Still many questions along with some news ones:

1. Where did the Mother come from?

I think she was able to bring people to the Island and like Jacob, was looking for a replacement. She decided on one of the children being that replacement and favored the MiB until she realized that Jacob would best serve as the protector of the Island's light source.

2. Who is Mother? Why does she have this power to bring people to the Island? Who was her Mother?

We won't get these answers. I think the point of Mother was to show that there has always been a line of protectors. Jacob was just next in line. Mother was next in line after her mother. On and on it goes. The Island has a protector and it's been going on since the beginning of time. Why or who they are doesn't matter. All that matters is that we know Jacob is just doing his job by finding a replacement.

3. What is Jacob protecting?

Better yet, how does Jacob find this out? He knows his brother is dead, so he must find out that the Smoke Monster is an entity that wants to leave the Island. We still don't know why Jacob must stop him or why he actually cares. Maybe he's just doing what he figures he's supposed to do. Or maybe we'll actually find this out when Jacob chooses the replacement. I'm assuming we might get a first-hand look at the rules of being a protector of the Island. One can hope.

4. What is the Smoke Monster?

That pretty much sums it up. What the heck is the thing and is he the evil leftovers of his brother - yet unnamed.

We don't know is why Jacob communicates so freely with the Smoke Monster or why he is accepting of the Smoke Monster looking like his brother and even going off about wanting to kill him, finding a loophole and getting off the Island, if the Smoke Monster is another being.



I think that's about it for the show right there. Those are the main questions. We know why the Losties were brought to the Island. We know the whole story for them, actually. Jacob was looking for a replacement and looking to prove that there is goodness in people.

I think the story of the replacement will explain the other questions. Except for the Mother. I think she's just part of the history of this thing. Just there to show us that this act of being protector has a rich background that extends beyond our understanding.

Are there really any other questions? (outside of the flash-sideways deal). 3.5 hours is enough time to explain what needs to be explained.

[tsalbysp]

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YP, I think that is the best analysis I have heard for the current state of Lost. Well done.

After re-watching the episode last night, I must say, I have become much more favoring towards the episode than I initially was. At first I thought it was pretty bad, but I think it was because I set my hopes too high and I also wasn't digging deeper into some parts.

I was a bit disappointed with the way Jacob was portrayed, but then I realized that the current Jacob has 2,000 years of experience that Across the Sea Jacob didn't have. In that perspective, my reservations of that aspect of the episode completely changed.

I also didn't really like the flashback to Jack, Kate, and Locke's discovery of Adam and Eve at first. Then, after reading an interview with Darlton, I realized that it wasn't there to remind you of what happened, it was to remind you that this is a story about the Losties. This show is about Jack, it is about Kate, it is about Locke and everyone else. The story being told is a story about the Losties. The use of the flashback was to reemphasize that, yes the history of the island is important, but at the end of the day, the story is about the Losties.

Overall, my opinion of the episode has definitely changed. Anyone who thought it sucked at first should go back and re-watch it. Maybe, if you're like me, your opinion of the episode will change.

Also, if you listened to last week's podcast, you know that

Spoiler

The Egyptians built Taweret, and since they didn't touch upon that tonight, it means there is more back-story to come. That definitely gives me hope that the explanation of the light, why it needs to be protected, and how Smokey became Smokey will be explained.

Edit: Then again, maybe I am just hyping myself up again and will wind up disappointed all over again.

*Just a minor spoiler, one that Carlton accidentally spilled during the podcast.