*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

[Bruins]

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[HealyMonster]

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YP, I think that is the best analysis I have heard for the current state of Lost. Well done.

After re-watching the episode last night, I must say, I have become much more favoring towards the episode than I initially was. At first I thought it was pretty bad, but I think it was because I set my hopes too high and I also wasn't digging deeper into some parts.

I was a bit disappointed with the way Jacob was portrayed, but then I realized that the current Jacob has 2,000 years of experience that Across the Sea Jacob didn't have. In that perspective, my reservations of that aspect of the episode completely changed.

I also didn't really like the flashback to Jack, Kate, and Locke's discovery of Adam and Eve at first. Then, after reading an interview with Darlton, I realized that it wasn't there to remind you of what happened, it was to remind you that this is a story about the Losties. This show is about Jack, it is about Kate, it is about Locke and everyone else. The story being told is a story about the Losties. The use of the flashback was to reemphasize that, yes the history of the island is important, but at the end of the day, the story is about the Losties.

Overall, my opinion of the episode has definitely changed. Anyone who thought it sucked at first should go back and re-watch it. Maybe, if you're like me, your opinion of the episode will change.

Also, if you listened to last week's podcast, you know that

Spoiler

The Egyptians built Taweret, and since they didn't touch upon that tonight, it means there is more back-story to come. That definitely gives me hope that the explanation of the light, why it needs to be protected, and how Smokey became Smokey will be explained.

Edit: Then again, maybe I am just hyping myself up again and will wind up disappointed all over again.

*Just a minor spoiler, one that Carlton accidentally spilled during the podcast.

hey man, where did it say when the episode took place? I noticed you mentioned 2,000 years and someone else mentioned 23 AD but I didn't see it on the episode but maybe I missed the intro or something where it flashed on the screen

[tsalbysp]

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hey man, where did it say when the episode took place? I noticed you mentioned 2,000 years and someone else mentioned 23 AD but I didn't see it on the episode but maybe I missed the intro or something where it flashed on the screen

Well, I had initially heard 23AD on the internet (weeks/months ago). Then I listened to Jorge Garcia's (Hurley) podcast this afternoon and he mentioned on the script that it said "two millennium ago."

I don't think they actually said the date on the episode, so I am just going based on what I have heard. I'd be willing to bet it's correct, since Jorge commented that the script mentioned the general time period.

[USF11]

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HULU is streaming every episode of Lost until the Finale!

[soltrain]

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I'm very curious as to what Desmond is going to become. His whole job on the Island when we first meet him is to find a replacement, too.

That replacement was Locke. Does Locke return the favor?

[CMH]

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I'm confused about this replacement deal with Locke.

He only says he wants to get off the Island. He never mentions that he wants someone to take his place. Are we just putting words into the character mouths because we want to believe there's a two-way street here?

The only time we've actually heard replacement is with Jacob (not including the hatch replacements). Usually, you don't replace what you're trying to keep in; you only replace who is doing that job.

[poster]

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I liked the episode, the only frustration is not finding out everything about the island. I badly want some closure there based on what they have previously shown us, hopefully we find out more in these last 3.5 hours. I think the end will be really good, looking forward to it.

YP, that was a good overview. Someone refresh my memory if I am incorrect in thinking this. Jacob seems to have brought the Losties to the island, but wasn't Desmond's failure to push the button, causing the release of the energy, the reason for the plane crash? Is it assumed that they would have gotten there another way due to Jacob wanting them there?

[soltrain]

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I'm confused about this replacement deal with Locke.

He only says he wants to get off the Island. He never mentions that he wants someone to take his place. Are we just putting words into the character mouths because we want to believe there's a two-way street here?

The only time we've actually heard replacement is with Jacob (not including the hatch replacements). Usually, you don't replace what you're trying to keep in; you only replace who is doing that job.

Well I'm using the assumption that Mother was also the Smoke Monster. Maybe not, though.

[CMH]

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Someone refresh my memory if I am incorrect in thinking this. Jacob seems to have brought the Losties to the island, but wasn't Desmond's failure to push the button, causing the release of the energy, the reason for the plane crash? Is it assumed that they would have gotten there another way due to Jacob wanting them there?

I think this is part of his game.

It seems to me that Jacob just creates a domino effect to get what he wants. I don't think he's able to just will people over, but I think he can set things up so that people are still making their own choices - though the end result is predetermined in some ways.

So, maybe he knows that Desmond will fail to push a button (we have seen enough time jumps to safely assume that Jacob has experienced them as well, right?) and he just "pushes" certain people to Flight 815 knowing what will happen to them.

I think of it as free will and destiny coexisting. I can go on and on about why I think it's possible for both to exist, but I won't right now.

[HealyMonster]

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Well I'm using the assumption that Mother was also the Smoke Monster. Maybe not, though.

I think you misfired with thinking the mother was the smoke monster. I re watched it last night and the music that played when they showed the mother has been on lost before, it didn't have anything to do with the smoke monster.

If the mother was the "smoke monster" Jacob, her "replacement" would then be the smoke monster. Instead, he did something to his brother that made his brother become the smoke monster.

I think we also are missing some very important pieces to this puzzle. Mainly, we dont know what the "rules to Jacob's game are". Mentioned in last episode, I think once we get a clear understanding of the "game" we will be able to better assume what the Losties roles are. I think this includes the smoke monsters replacement, if any, etc.

I am 100% willing to bet money though that the "end game" somehow will make the Losties return the light to that original tunnel which I guess would then "lock-e" back up the smoke monster.

[Picci]

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I know I have 100s of questions but one thing puzzles me. Are we to safely assume that Jacob and probably "mother", killed off all the villagers and filled up the hole by themselves?

[poster]

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I think this is part of his game.

It seems to me that Jacob just creates a domino effect to get what he wants. I don't think he's able to just will people over, but I think he can set things up so that people are still making their own choices - though the end result is predetermined in some ways.

So, maybe he knows that Desmond will fail to push a button (we have seen enough time jumps to safely assume that Jacob has experienced them as well, right?) and he just "pushes" certain people to Flight 815 knowing what will happen to them.

I think of it as free will and destiny coexisting. I can go on and on about why I think it's possible for both to exist, but I won't right now.

Good points.

[moose1619]

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I think you misfired with thinking the mother was the smoke monster. I re watched it last night and the music that played when they showed the mother has been on lost before, it didn't have anything to do with the smoke monster.

If the mother was the "smoke monster" Jacob, her "replacement" would then be the smoke monster. Instead, he did something to his brother that made his brother become the smoke monster.

I think we also are missing some very important pieces to this puzzle. Mainly, we dont know what the "rules to Jacob's game are". Mentioned in last episode, I think once we get a clear understanding of the "game" we will be able to better assume what the Losties roles are. I think this includes the smoke monsters replacement, if any, etc.

I am 100% willing to bet money though that the "end game" somehow will make the Losties return the light to that original tunnel which I guess would then "lock-e" back up the smoke monster.

I think mom was smoke monstr, the destruction of the camp and teh well proved this to me. Also I believe she wanted MIB to be her replacement but him wanting to leave meant she had to manipulate his staying and becoming the smoke monster. The monste had to be able to destroy and manipulate, something Jacog couldn't do. I think together they are the guardians of the island but Jacob has a plan to allow everyone to get what they want, the island sinks, MIB will be allowed to leave and the losties resume life all in the FST

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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If Mother wasn't the smoke monster, how was she able to destroy the village? Could there be more than one smoke monster?

The last episode opened up a lot of new questions:

- Is Mother the smoke monster?
- Is there more than one smoke monster?
- How did Mother find out about the special ability of the light tunnel?
- Why was MiB able to see his real mother but Jacob couldn't (or was the real mother simply the smoke monster)?
- We know Jacob's main job is to protect the Island, so why did he leave it unguarded to "touch" the candidates?
- Mother said she made it so MiB and Jacob could never hurt each other (we know they can't kill each other from last season) so how do you explain the scene where Jacob basically kicked MiB's *** by punching him in the face at least 5 times? I would consider MiB to be hurt from those punches.

I also wonder why can't Richard be the main person to protect the Island? He doesn't age, can't die, and has been on the Island for hundreds of years.

[HealyMonster]

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I also wonder why can't Richard be the main person to protect the Island? He doesn't age, can't die, and has been on the Island for hundreds of years.

Jacob "hired" Richard to be his Liaison.