*** Lost: Season 6 (Final Season) ***

[ehh]

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I still don't understand how Cuse/Lindeloff said that MIB is not the man who's possessing Locke's body. Who else could it possibly be?

[ODogg]

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how many episodes are left?

[Money99]

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I still don't understand how Cuse/Lindeloff said that MIB is not the man who's possessing Locke's body. Who else could it possibly be?

YankeePride did a good job explaining it to me.
Cuse/Lindeloff were asked by Kimel "Is Locke possessed by the Smoke Monster?".
Their answer was 'no'. This confused me as well.

But Kimmel didn't ask the right question.
Locke isn't the Smoke Monster. The Smoke Monster/MIB has taken the form of John Locke. The actual John Locke is dead and buried. So there's no possession. The creature has simply taken the form of Locke instead of taking him over.

Hope that explains things.

[ODogg]

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Yes, taking the appearance of is an illusion. Entirely different than posession. And if you notice the show made it a POINT to show the MIB illusion walking right by the corpse of the real John Locke several times in order to make that clear.

[ehh]

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YankeePride did a good job explaining it to me.
Cuse/Lindeloff were asked by Kimel "Is Locke possessed by the Smoke Monster?".
Their answer was 'no'. This confused me as well.

But Kimmel didn't ask the right question.
Locke isn't the Smoke Monster. The Smoke Monster/MIB has taken the form of John Locke. The actual John Locke is dead and buried. So there's no possession. The creature has simply taken the form of Locke instead of taking him over.

Hope that explains things.

True, since Locke's corpse is laying on the beach smokey obviously didn't take possession of Locke. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Money99]

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True, since Locke's corpse is laying on the beach smokey obviously didn't take possession of Locke. Thanks for clearing that up.

No problem. I had the same line of thinking as you did before YankeePride corrected me.

But I think the producers could have worded it better. Although, they didn't want to give that away to an audience that hadn't seen the episode yet so I guess they couldn't go into it with any greater detail.

[CMH]

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Lionsfan, that's exactly what I've speculated for over a year now.

This whole thing is cyclical and will continue to go round and round forever. The players might change, but the game and pieces never do.

John/MIB said himself "I was once a man too". But he might have been taken over by 'the sickness' and assumed the role of MIB.
We've had the whole Sawyer vs Jack war shoved down our throat since day 1. I'd put my money on those two taking over as Good and Evil.
Is it a coincidence that Jack and Jacob are similar names? Who's to say that MIB won't have a name similar to James Ford or 'Sawyer'.

But I think it's obvious Smokey needs a body to get off the island and Sawyer is falling into that trap.
Is it a coincidence that MIB can change forms just like Sawyer would assume different identities as a con-man?

Regarding the numbers, I think Jacob knew all along. I think it's the people who have a significant number associated with them (4, 8, 15, etc) that Smokie can't kill (according to child-version of Jacob).
Don't know why he can't or what the rules are.
But I'm sure MIB/Locke will find a way to manipulate Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, etc into murdering all the Numbered Losties.

I like the direction you're heading with this. Even if this isn't the exact answer, I'm sure there are relevant bits of information you've uncovered through these thoughts.

I'm interested in seeing where this goes with Sawyer. I like that you compared his experience with making others believe he is someone else to Smoky taking the form of John Locke.

There has indeed been a strong rivalry between Sawyer and Jack, but I have a hard time thinking Sawyer would want to be this MiB character. I think deep down inside, Sawyer is a good person and he's shown it plenty of times.*

This does make me wonder what actually led to MiB being who he is now. Did he choose to stay on the Island believing he always wanted to be there (like Sawyer) and later realize he wants to get out? And how in the heck can he turn into black smoke? I'm also beginning to question if the figure we saw speaking to Jacob when the Black Rock approached the Island was just another form the Monster had taken.


edit: *Though, there's still the question of whether the Smoke Monster is actually bad. Perhaps he too is a good person that was manipulated into believing he was doing good. We've already had the gray/gray conversation about Jacob and Smokie.

[moose1619]

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I am thinking Sawyer has a plan on how to defeat this nemesis and save everyone else, thus being the hero he has always tried to be.

[Money99]

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There has indeed been a strong rivalry between Sawyer and Jack, but I have a hard time thinking Sawyer would want to be this MiB character. I think deep down inside, Sawyer is a good person and he's shown it plenty of times.*

I hope you're right. Sawyer's my favorite character and I believe I'm in a large group.
It would be tough to see him turn into the next Smokie. But it would also be a terrific twist.

Regarding MIB, I love your assumption that it was probably only another form he had taken. That makes a lot of sense and is probably very true.

Regarding Smokie, what if it was actually some dense form of ash? Jacob turned to ash, people are protected by ash and Smokie seems to have issues with ash as well.

All I know is for the past 5 seasons I've felt I've had a small amount of confidence that I know where things are heading. But as this season progresses, and with more information given out, I don't think I've ever been more confused.
But last nights episode was terrific. Not only did it reveal lots of information, but it was also a Jack-free show. I'm really starting to dislike the doc.

P.S. Will we see Desmond back on the island? I'm very interested to know the deeper relevance of his character.

[Jukeman]

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But Sawyer lost his woman...that can drive a man crazy

[Coug00]

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So I've been reading as much as I can and this has holes in it, but my feeble brain thinks MIB is able to go home when he no longer needs to protect the island. I believe he protects it from the outside world because the island is special and Jacob (or whoever will replace him) controls, to an extent, the MIB. Sort of like a dog and its handler.

With Jacob dead, there is no one there to control the MIB, which is why they were terrified at the Temple and surrounded it with ash. With Jacob dead, Smokey has to get rid of those left on the island. Once they are all dead there is no one left to "bring" people to the island. Therefore, MIB gets to go home as there's no need to protect. I think this is why MIB had a terrified look on his face when a dying Jacob said, "They're coming." They will replace Jacob and keep MIB on the island.

So I think MIB is conning the con man to go against his friends. We already saw how cunning and manipulative the MIB is when he played Ben like a fiddle as fake Locke and in the temple as Ben's daughter. We also saw him play Locke like a fiddle when he appeared as Christian telling John he had to die. At the end of last season, we also saw MIB say to Richard outside the statue, after they see Jacob, its time to "take care of" the others who came on the plane (Ajira flight).

I'm sure something will break next week to completely squash this idea, but its what I'm thinking right now.

[ASB37]

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Another thing I was thinking about, weren't hugo and sawyer the only 2 to be actually *given* something by Jacob while off the island. My memory may be a bit off, I'll have to go rewatch the part, but didn't Jacob give sawyer a pen when he was younger, and Hugo the guitar case?

Of course this could mean nothing, but if some of the other theories on Jacob and the losties are being thrown out there, maybe there is some relevance to Jacob only touching the other losties, and actually physically giving something to Hugo and Saywer?

[SuperBowlNachos]

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Jack was given a candy bar of some type.

[ASB37]

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Jack was given a candy bar of some type.

Thats right, also a very good point, I believe it was the same type of candy bar that was seen in the Dharma good pantry, although having it be in the vending machine at Jack's hospital is probably more of an easter egg.

Now I'm starting to think maybe there is something up with the people given something as opposed to nothing.

[Coug00]

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Thats right, also a very good point, I believe it was the same type of candy bar that was seen in the Dharma good pantry, although having it be in the vending machine at Jack's hospital is probably more of an easter egg.

Now I'm starting to think maybe there is something up with the people given something as opposed to nothing.

I suppose Kate was given a lunchbox as well.