LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I wouldn't worry about it Blzer, my set still does the same thing when watching anything in 2:35:1 aspect ratio. It's no big deal. I watch or play a game afterwards and the letterbox IR is gone within seconds. Just take some of our advice here man and quit stressing, we've all been through it. I used to be so damn paranoid like you are at first, but unless you leave a static image on the TV for hours I would just enjoy the nice set that you have.

Oh don't get me wrong, I've been playing games nonstop on it (as well as watching movies). My concerns are not for IR, my concerns are for uneven wear. As I've said before, I have a TV downstairs that has uneven wear. If paid attention to the right way, anyone could pick out lighter sides (due to 4:3) and a lot of other crap if you just put up a solid green background.

My question is, if I "wash out" IR every time after viewing something with said static images, do I still technically have uneven wear? In other words, if I repeat the same thing over and over again, will that uneven wear grow over time so that it might look like my television downstairs? Or do I have to counter the images to get a better "balance" in overall phosphor aging?

It pains me to say that I have asked this countless times both in here and at AVS, and not only have I not gotten any sort of straightforward answer, I haven't ever even been quoted on the matter! I'm not angry, I'm just surprised. It's just flown by everybody as if this isn't the real reason to be concerned for IR. IR? Who cares about IR? It's temporary. I'm concerned about said uneven wear. Again, it's a real issue if it's prevalent on my downstairs television. I know technology has changed in five years, but phosphors still be phosphors. This, as a result, is my ultimate concern.

[jmood88]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

You need to just sell your tv back and get an LCD. Stop worrying so much, I don't think I've ever seen someone this concerned with their tv.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

I love my television. Enough said. This isn't about me.

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Oh don't get me wrong, I've been playing games nonstop on it (as well as watching movies). My concerns are not for IR, my concerns are for uneven wear. As I've said before, I have a TV downstairs that has uneven wear. If paid attention to the right way, anyone could pick out lighter sides (due to 4:3) and a lot of other crap if you just put up a solid green background.

My question is, if I "wash out" IR every time after viewing something with said static images, do I still technically have uneven wear? In other words, if I repeat the same thing over and over again, will that uneven wear grow over time so that it might look like my television downstairs? Or do I have to counter the images to get a better "balance" in overall phosphor aging?

It pains me to say that I have asked this countless times both in here and at AVS, and not only have I not gotten any sort of straightforward answer, I haven't ever even been quoted on the matter! I'm not angry, I'm just surprised. It's just flown by everybody as if this isn't the real reason to be concerned for IR. IR? Who cares about IR? It's temporary. I'm concerned about said uneven wear. Again, it's a real issue if it's prevalent on my downstairs television. I know technology has changed in five years, but phosphors still be phosphors. This, as a result, is my ultimate concern.

Blzer, I don't mean to be a jerk man, but for once I agree with jmood. LOL!

Who cares about uneven wear at this point? You spent about a good 200+ hours of running slides correct? Those first few hundred hours are the most important to even out the phosphorus. If you continue to worry about watching something in 2:35 or 4:3 for an hour or two, seriously, you have to go LCD or LED. I don't care which plasma someone buys, there is always going to be some IR when watching something with any kind of black bars (4:3 or 2:35, etc.), score trackers, gaming, etc. But if you didn't abuse the TV, it will go away.

Stuff I've read from people is to always mix up what your watching. If your watching letterboxed movies for a few hours, then watch something that fills up the screen for a bit or even play a game.

You are going to give yourself a heart attack over this...........if that happens at your young age, go with LCD or LED.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Who cares about uneven wear at this point? You spent about a good 200+ hours of running slides correct? Those first few hundred hours are the most important to even out the phosphorus. If you continue to worry about watching something in 2:35 or 4:3 for an hour or two, seriously, you have to go LCD or LED. I don't care which plasma someone buys, there is always going to be some IR when watching something with any kind of black bars (4:3 or 2:35, etc.), score trackers, gaming, etc. But if you didn't abuse the TV, it will go away.

The bold doesn't apply to me.

IR doesn't concern me. I'm not concerned about damaging my television with IR.

Stuff I've read from people is to always mix up what your watching. If your watching letterboxed movies for a few hours, then watch something that fills up the screen for a bit or even play a game.

I do, and the IR goes away. That has nothing to do with uneven wear. Or does it? That has always been my question, and my only question.

You are going to give yourself a heart attack over this...........if that happens at your young age, go with LCD or LED.

The bold doesn't apply to me.

I love my television, I'm keeping my television, and I've researched plasma to death that I know how to take care of it. I'm taking care of it enough that mine won't ever get damaged. I'm only asking if the precautions I'm taking are necessary. This isn't worry; this isn't heart attack inducing. This is a question so I can be more knowledgeable about phosphorus-based technology.

Thank you for the provided information in your response.

[jmood88]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

If your question isn't even being addressed by the extremely anal people at AVS, then it isn't something worth asking about over and over and over and over and over again. Ever since you got the tv you've been seemingly going out of your way to test, re-test, and just over analyze every single thing you see. At some point you just need to enjoy the tv or pick the technology that doesn't require you to be so concerned about every "flaw" you see in the picture or are worried about popping up later.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

If your question isn't even being addressed by the extremely anal people at AVS, then it isn't something worth asking about over and over and over and over and over again. Ever since you got the tv you've been seemingly going out of your way to test, re-test, and just over analyze every single thing you see. At some point you just need to enjoy the tv or pick the technology that doesn't require you to be so concerned about every "flaw" you see in the picture or are worried about popping up later.

No worries. The words being placed on this message board have little to do with how much time I spend in front of this fabulous unit. This is the greatest piece of furniture I have ever and will ever own, for at least five more years.

There is a difference between pointing out flaws and dwelling on flaws. The only reason I'm ever seen bringing up the question is because people constantly claim "IR goes away after watching 16:9 content." This is true, and will not be disputed. That wasn't ever my question though, so it doesn't matter anyway.

For the record, today I've sat down and watched Hanna, Se7en, and am now watching Law Abiding Citizen, and have loved every single minute of what I've been watching. If I were truly worried, I would have... not watched my TV? I don't know what one assumes I do with my set.

One time, I won my little sister a Warriors basketball at an amusement park shootout game. She never wanted to take it to our hoop outside, because it would get dirty. I am not one of those people. I would simply prefer my question doesn't tie back to me, and that it only ties into atomic number 15.

[jmood88]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

If you're really not worried, then stop asking the same damn question all the time and getting worked up when people don't answer it exactly how you want it to be answered. Based on your posts prior to buying the tv and since you've gotten it, it seems like you look for whatever flaws you can report and question how to deal with or fix.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

If you're really not worried, then stop asking the same damn question all the time and getting worked up when people don't answer it exactly how you want it to be answered. Based on your posts prior to buying the tv and since you've gotten it, it seems like you look for whatever flaws you can report and question how to deal with or fix.

Prior to buying it, I was looking at which model I exactly wanted. My mind was set on plasma two years ago. My only questions outside of that were--and have been--how to take care of it.

I'll put it this way: if I put up a poll to all plasma owners that asked "Would you like burn-in on your TV?" everybody would answer no. That said, everybody else "worries" as much as I do. The difference is that I know burn-in is still possible on televisions. I have evidence of it twelve feet under my nose as we speak. I'm already taking precautions to avoiding it. I've only ever asked whether my precautions are necessary. If you don't have the answer, that is okay. I'd just prefer people don't respond back thinking that I have any regrets about anything that I have done. Even if I get burn-in, I will be without regrets. I just want to prevent it and enjoy my television. Contrary to popular belief, you can do both things at once without being conditioned with worry, which is where I'm currently at.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

No worries. The words being placed on this message board have little to do with how much time I spend in front of this fabulous unit. This is the greatest piece of furniture I have ever and will ever own, for at least five more years.

There is a difference between pointing out flaws and dwelling on flaws. The only reason I'm ever seen bringing up the question is because people constantly claim "IR goes away after watching 16:9 content." This is true, and will not be disputed. That wasn't ever my question though, so it doesn't matter anyway.

For the record, today I've sat down and watched Hanna, Se7en, and am now watching Law Abiding Citizen, and have loved every single minute of what I've been watching. If I were truly worried, I would have... not watched my TV? I don't know what one assumes I do with my set.

One time, I won my little sister a Warriors basketball at an amusement park shootout game. She never wanted to take it to our hoop outside, because it would get dirty. I am not one of those people. I would simply prefer my question doesn't tie back to me, and that it only ties into atomic number 15.

Yes you will get uneven wear eventally, (feel better now) it''s something plasma owners don't like to admit (that's why you don't get a straight answer, no one wants to admit thier TV has flaws and LCD owners like bragging that thier TV's won't get uneven wear so I think it annoys plasma owners) but it will take years. However it's already planted in your mind so buying a plasma was a big mistake for you. You can pretend it doesn't but it does and there's nothing wrong with that. Some people are more concerned just like some are more concerned about putting in synthetic oil in thier car and religiously keeping it maintained although in the long run it probably doesn't make much difference from a person who just follows the owner's manual and puts in regualr oil.

The difference in picture quality (which is minimal these days on a properly calibrated LCD\LED TV ) and price isn't worth it for you. I had a CRTV when it was still fashionable and when I saw a friend with the same model have burn in after a year I got real paranoid (although not as bad as you from what I'm reading) and was careful not to watch black bar movies back to back and after awhile I said screw it. I got a new TV and have never regretted it because the possible problems if I bought a plasma (not to mention the glare was bad in my room) would weigh too much on my mind no matter what was said at how unlikely it is. The fact that I know it could happen, and therefore controlled my viewing habits, was enough. I wasn't enjoying my TV, I was babysitting it. There's enough stress in life, I didn't need a bloody TV to add to it.

Bought a new LCD, calibrated it and the picture is stunning and I would put that up to any plasma I've seen. And I watch what I want when I want to. If I fall asleep on the couch with CNN on for 8-10 hours, I don't care. If my kid is home for school and plays video games all day with a nice bright HUD in the corner, I don't care. I paid too much for the TV to have it baby it in any way. I baby my car, that's enough for me.

Many people don't care and they enjoy thier plasmas like they should be but you don't, just like I didn't. It's always in the back of your mind and hence you're not enjoying it. I know you don't want to hear this but try and sell it and buy a LCD, calibrate it (trust me, you will barely notice a difference with a good LCD model) and a big weight will be lifted.

[Blzer]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Thanks for the answer.

Trust me, plasma is the right technology for me. 24 Hz, reduced input lag (biggie for me... my previous LCD just sucked with this), better colors and blacks (for the lower price), et al are the kickers.

Your answer just means I'll stick to my program. It's never in the back of my mind when I'm enjoying the set. After watching a movie, I run counter slides when I'm away from the set or asleep. No bother for me whatsoever. When I'm gaming, I'm pixel-shifting.

I know a lot of people think I'm anal about things because of what I say on the boards. What is said on the boards is not how I live life, though. If I'm not posting about these questions, I'm just not posting in the thread. I'm sure some people wouldn't mind that, but the point is that I post for a reason. I'm not going to keep jumping in and say "I love my TV, I love my TV." Don't worry though, because I think that every time I watch it. Furthermore, at least now when someone like elTodd asks if they should worry about IR, I can say, "IR won't be a problem if you just watch 16x9 content or run slides after having static images on screen, but be understanding that in the long term, over time wear might start to show up on screen." That's all.

Again, thank you very much for the informative post. I'll gladly and respectfully go against your advice of switching this thing of beauty out for an LCD (which I already have sitting in my room as well), but I appreciate your concern.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Thanks for the answer.

Trust me, plasma is the right technology for me. 24 Hz, reduced input lag (biggie for me... my previous LCD just sucked with this), better colors and blacks (for the lower price), et al are the kickers.

Your answer just means I'll stick to my program. It's never in the back of my mind when I'm enjoying the set. After watching a movie, I run counter slides when I'm away from the set or asleep. No bother for me whatsoever. When I'm gaming, I'm pixel-shifting.

I know a lot of people think I'm anal about things because of what I say on the boards. What is said on the boards is not how I live life, though. If I'm not posting about these questions, I'm just not posting in the thread. I'm sure some people wouldn't mind that, but the point is that I post for a reason. I'm not going to keep jumping in and say "I love my TV, I love my TV." Don't worry though, because I think that every time I watch it. Furthermore, at least now when someone like elTodd asks if they should worry about IR, I can say, "IR won't be a problem if you just watch 16x9 content or run slides after having static images on screen, but be understanding that in the long term, over time wear might start to show up on screen." That's all.

Again, thank you very much for the informative post. I'll gladly and respectfully go against your advice of switching this thing of beauty out for an LCD (which I already have sitting in my room as well), but I appreciate your concern.

No problem, if you can live with it then that's good. Just don't fall asleep on the couch.

[ehh]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Pulled the trigger on the Panasonic Plasma VIERA TC-P55ST30 55-Inch 1080p 3D directly from Panasonic for $1,059.

Very excited for this puppy, my old DLP is ready to retire.

[JohnnytheSkin]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Uneven wear? I understand if you ONLY watch 4:3 stuff with bars, or ONLY 2.35:1 movies. But if you vary your viewing, I have a hard time believing that you'll develop uneven wear over a display's lifetime (4-8 years), certainly not wear visible to the non-Blzer eye, LOL.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Uneven wear? I understand if you ONLY watch 4:3 stuff with bars, or ONLY 2.35:1 movies. But if you vary your viewing, I have a hard time believing that you'll develop uneven wear over a display's lifetime (4-8 years), certainly not wear visible to the non-Blzer eye, LOL.

Co-sign for this. After the break-in period, varied viewing is pretty much it.