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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #421
    Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

    Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
    Rick had to shoot Sophia because he needed to regain his role as the leader of the group. He was losing respect, people were openly questioning his decisions, and Shane's almost entirely psychotic (his conversation with Lori was crazy). Rick had to do it to restore some kind of balance and order within the group while keeping up faith in "humanity."
    Originally posted by shugknight
    Was it that? I really thought he made the shot because he felt that it was his responsibility that she got lost.. so in turn it was his responsibility to put her down since nobody wanted to shoot a little girl.
    I think it's deeper than this.

    This is like Jack vs. Locke. Instead it's Rick vs. Shane.

    For the entire first half of season 2, we've been watching Rick play the peacemaker. He's the one that wants to forget what the world has become. He wants sense and order. Laws. He wants to abide by the rules of the world he was in before heading into a coma.

    Shane, however, sees the world for what it has become. He sees chaos, danger and survival.

    Last night's episode was both of those characters reaching the apex of their philosophies.

    Rick with pulling walkers around like they are living people. Shane taking the guns and shooting the walkers down.

    Except, at the end both characters saw their philosophies challenged and had to reconsider.

    Shane blindly believed that every walker is insignificant. They are out to kill is all he considered. Then he saw Sophia and realized it wasn't that simple. (If they are smart they'll use that to help further develop Shane and Andrea's relationship now that he might fully understand what she went through to kill her own sister. Because he didn't which is why he used it to push her over the edge a week ago).

    Rick had to shoot Sophia not just because he felt responsible or because he's the leader, but because he had to assert a growing understanding that the world is not what he wants it to be. It was his way of saying: You're right.

    I expect that their actions last night at the end of the episode is the beginning of both Shane and Rick completely switching ideologies which should create some interesting drama and conflict. It would mean every relationship they have with every character needs to be challenged.

    How will Lori view Rick? Does Carl begin to side with Shane? Will Dale lose faith in Rick? And on it goes.

    I hope.
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    • CaptainZombie
      Brains
      • Jul 2003
      • 37851

      #422
      Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

      Originally posted by CMH
      I think it's deeper than this.

      This is like Jack vs. Locke. Instead it's Rick vs. Shane.

      For the entire first half of season 2, we've been watching Rick play the peacemaker. He's the one that wants to forget what the world has become. He wants sense and order. Laws. He wants to abide by the rules of the world he was in before heading into a coma.

      Shane, however, sees the world for what it has become. He sees chaos, danger and survival.

      Last night's episode was both of those characters reaching the apex of their philosophies.

      Rick with pulling walkers around like they are living people. Shane taking the guns and shooting the walkers down.

      Except, at the end both characters saw their philosophies challenged and had to reconsider.

      Shane blindly believed that every walker is insignificant. They are out to kill is all he considered. Then he saw Sophia and realized it wasn't that simple. (If they are smart they'll use that to help further develop Shane and Andrea's relationship now that he might fully understand what she went through to kill her own sister. Because he didn't which is why he used it to push her over the edge a week ago).

      Rick had to shoot Sophia not just because he felt responsible or because he's the leader, but because he had to assert a growing understanding that the world is not what he wants it to be. It was his way of saying: You're right.

      I expect that their actions last night at the end of the episode is the beginning of both Shane and Rick completely switching ideologies which should create some interesting drama and conflict. It would mean every relationship they have with every character needs to be challenged.

      How will Lori view Rick? Does Carl begin to side with Shane? Will Dale lose faith in Rick? And on it goes.

      I hope.
      Excellent thoughts there Carlos and I think it would bring a new dynamic to the show now that Rick might be viewing things a bit differently. February 12th can't get here fast enough already, LOL!
      HDMovie Room

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      • bigfnjoe96
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2004
        • 11410

        #423
        Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

        Finally saw the last episode before the break last night. My oh My......

        My wife was up in arms when I told her, that was the last episode until February.

        Great episode. Shane done lost his Rabbit *** Mind is all I kept saying to myself once Rick & Carl got back to barn. The inner conflicts (individual based) in the group have finally come to a head. You can see there's a rift/divide within the group.

        Here's hoping the 2nd half of the season is as intense as the last 10 minutes of this past episode

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #424
          Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

          Do none of you watch Talking Dead? I thought they provided some great insight as to why things played out the way they did.
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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #425
            Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

            Originally posted by Pared
            Do none of you watch Talking Dead? I thought they provided some great insight as to why things played out the way they did.
            I don't. But I'll watch it tonight.
            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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            • CaptainZombie
              Brains
              • Jul 2003
              • 37851

              #426
              Originally posted by Pared
              Do none of you watch Talking Dead? I thought they provided some great insight as to why things played out the way they did.
              I was thinking the same kirkman explained quite a bit this past Sunday. TTD show is good and helps fill in some of the gaps.
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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #427
                Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                I really liked what they were thinking of doing with Sophia. I would love to see the footage that never aired.
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                • CMH
                  Making you famous
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 26203

                  #428
                  Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                  Originally posted by Pared
                  I really liked what they were thinking of doing with Sophia. I would love to see the footage that never aired.
                  I think it would have created more of a mess in the internet.

                  Not saying it wasn't a neat idea, but people would be arguing over whether or not she was a zombie or mistaken for one.

                  I'm also glad they opted not to have that teaser of her being corralled into the barn. That would have ruined the last few minutes.
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                  • Pared
                    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 39337

                    #429
                    Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                    Yeah but had they addressed it where you see her through THEIR eyes (or Rick's, someone's) where she was just the normal little girl coming out of the barn... then have a camera pan/cut to where you see her as a zombie... that would have been awesome.

                    B/c you first see her as the girl they've been searching for all this time... you see her as Sophia... then it hits you that it's not the same girl.

                    I think they could have pulled it off; I've seen something similar done in other media. Heck, American Horror Story did something very similar last night.
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                    • Slymm
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                      • Nov 2002
                      • 3406

                      #430
                      Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                      I've missed it and have been trying to find video of it. Anyone care to summarize?
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                      • CMH
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                        • Oct 2002
                        • 26203

                        #431
                        Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                        Originally posted by Pared
                        Yeah but had they addressed it where you see her through THEIR eyes (or Rick's, someone's) where she was just the normal little girl coming out of the barn... then have a camera pan/cut to where you see her as a zombie... that would have been awesome.

                        B/c you first see her as the girl they've been searching for all this time... you see her as Sophia... then it hits you that it's not the same girl.

                        I think they could have pulled it off; I've seen something similar done in other media. Heck, American Horror Story did something very similar last night.
                        If the plan was to cut to her as a zombie for the audience then cool, I think that could have worked.

                        I heard it as if she was going to be this sweet little girl getting shot in the head.
                        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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                        • CMH
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                          • Oct 2002
                          • 26203

                          #432
                          Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                          Originally posted by Slymm
                          I've missed it and have been trying to find video of it. Anyone care to summarize?
                          Walking Dead or Talking Dead?
                          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                          • Slymm
                            Th* m*n...
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 3406

                            #433
                            Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                            Talking dead
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                            • CMH
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                              • Oct 2002
                              • 26203

                              #434
                              Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                              Originally posted by Slymm
                              Talking dead
                              Not much really revealed.

                              The executives refused to answer who the father was or explain in full detail what Rick's actions at the end of the first half of season two do to Shane.

                              They did say it will have an affect, but obviously they weren't going to say what kind of affect.

                              Sophia was filmed with both the zombie prosthetic and without. They originally had an idea to have her shown as "human" before the characters' eyes.

                              They also wrote but decided not to film a scene in which Sophia is caught in the swamp and taken to the barn as a flashback to start the episode.

                              The actor playing Daryl talked about what he thought Daryl would do if his brother showed up. The executive producers didn't say a word about it, really. The actor just felt Daryl would have to struggle between choosing his brother and a group of people he's learned to accept.

                              He also mentioned that he thinks Daryl is interesting to viewers because he's considered the rut of the group and is trying to prove his worth to both the group and himself.

                              The producers briefly talked about Otis being the one that rounded up the zombies and how he could have told the group he found a little girl in the woods but was killed by Shane before he knew they were looking for a girl.

                              So, in as many words, they said Shane is mostly responsible for the ordeal taking so long.

                              They wouldn't elaborate on what the final events of the first half of season 2 would do to Hershel and his beliefs.

                              Really a lot of nothing about the future but that the final events will have an affect on several people.
                              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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                              • goh
                                Banned
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 20755

                                #435
                                Re: The Walking Dead (Season 2)

                                Also Alice Cooper called in. That was neat.

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