Gotham

[JayBee74]

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Suggestion: Introduce an unique version of the Superman character. Make the costume a design that's inspired by the 1978 version of "Superman". We the true Superman fans, want to see new ideas of the character. The character needs to evolve much like the comic book version does. That's the main reason, we love Superman, so much.

They're not going to mess with Superman. The only unique version that I could see remotely working is one that is considerably less powerful, jumps long distances instead of flying, and has some vulnerability other than magic and Kryptonite. And then you have to make Clark almost 20 years older than Bruce. Among other things there would be too much conflict with the "Versus" movie.

[bradtxmale]

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They're not going to mess with Superman. The only unique version that I could see remotely working is one that is considerably less powerful, jumps long distances instead of flying, and has some vulnerability other than magic and Kryptonite. And then you have to make Clark almost 20 years older than Bruce. Among other things there would be too much conflict with the "Versus" movie.

That's good, but I would prefer a Superman more like what we have in the Justice League cartoon series. That version is more like the comic book version. The Smallville version was fine. They did a good job showing him growing up into Superman. I just think that for this show they need to take Clark and give him an updated morale and character. I want to see the boyscout that we all know. George Reeves was almost a perfect version of him. I just think that they needed to make him more of a boyscout. My suggestion is use the Justice League cartoon version as a model and put him into the show. In the comics, Superman is older than Bruce. You make a good point, its obvious that Gotham would benefit from being defended by Superman. Also, whatever new hero they choose to introduce would need to be a founding member of the Justice League. Can you explain why it would conflict with the "Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" movie?

[jfsolo]

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If if was't for comic continuity, which they could ignore, but probably won't, there is no way that Gordon wouldn't forget about Barbara and be all over Leslie. This Leslie>>>>than Barbara in every way, IMO of course.

As an aside, Bats is like 2 or 3 years older than Supes in the comics now.

[bradtxmale]

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If if was't for comic continuity, which they could ignore, but probably won't, there is no way that Gordon wouldn't forget about Barbara and be all over Leslie. This Leslie>>>>than Barbara in every way, IMO of course.

As an aside, Bats is like 2 or 3 years older than Supes in the comics now.

That I didn't know. I don't read the comics. I'm just so happy that the makers of the DC Comics adaptations do seem to follow the comics, for the most part. They could do a better job, though. WB's "Smallville" was an example of how these makers of this show should go about their story and approach. They obviously want to do their own thing. I just don't want this series to do something to get it cancelled. I'm a real big fan of this series. The actors are very talented. They're giving Emmy award worthy performances. The best actor, so far is one playing The Penguin. It takes a lot of talent to give us a better version than what we were given in Tim Burton's "Batman Returns". This version is more like the Burgess Meredith version. It also seems that he's managed to combine the animated universe version with the Meredith version. That's a smart choice. I see that he's captured the charm of the character that we rarely see.

The Penguin from the 60s "Batman"


The Penguin from the DC Comics Animated Universe

[JayBee74]

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Can you explain why it would conflict with the "Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" movie?

Probably irrelevant because Fox has limited rights to the DC universe anyway. How limited I'm not sure, but Fox wants Gotham to be a Batman origin story.

Warner Brothers obviously wants "Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice" to be a momentous event. Superman in any of it's properties (WB produces "Gotham") might dilute the buildup. Just my opinion, which doesn't account for a great deal.

[bradtxmale]

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Yeah, but like I said, earlier you can't have the origin story without including Superman. It makes no sense, when you have to write this series, from this point on. This series appears to be doing its on thing. Yes, that's a good idea, but I doubt you'll keep your target audience. That being potential Justice League fans and the normal everyday viewer. This appears to be a series that is catering to the fans to keep them interested. Like Smallville, its getting better, as we go along.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Superman's involvement is not a necessity to this show.

[JayBee74]

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"You think you've been careful so far?" LOL

IMO the best episode of the series.

[Blzer]

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Yes, my favorite episode so far.

[bradtxmale]

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If things go well, this could last last longer than The Simpsons. I hope so.

[NINJAK2]

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Fish, her sidekick, and Penguin have been the stars of this show so far imo by a big margin. Have not been a big fan of Gordon's representation in this show so far. A man trapped in a city of turncoats, backstabbers and cops on the take probably wouldn't be so bold and upfront with his attitude about things especially in a city where they would kill a cop and not think twice about it. A cop in a city trying to do right where everyone is doing wrong makes for a great story and would allow for a great character study-that sense of desperation and hopelessness. In fairness, maybe since this is early on in his tenure he still has that idealistic approach to things where every thing is black and white...

[JayBee74]

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Fish, her sidekick, and Penguin have been the stars of this show so far imo by a big margin. Have not been a big fan of Gordon's representation in this show so far. A man trapped in a city of turncoats, backstabbers and cops on the take probably wouldn't be so bold and upfront with his attitude about things especially in a city where they would kill a cop and not think twice about it. A cop in a city trying to do right where everyone is doing wrong makes for a great story and would allow for a great character study-that sense of desperation and hopelessness. In fairness, maybe since this is early on in his tenure he still has that idealistic approach to things where every thing is black and white...

Gordon is the moral compass of the show and his back and forth with Bullock is priceless. You want him to be desperate, hopeless, and careful, and the writers want him to be a hero. Sounds like a fun show.

You want a neutered Gordon to exist among future super-villains and mob bosses who give orders to the police in their own station. Why? Because you don't think it's realistic that anyone would have that kind of courage?

[NINJAK2]

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Gordon is the moral compass of the show and his back and forth with Bullock is priceless. You want him to be desperate, hopeless, and careful, and the writers want him to be a hero. Sounds like a fun show.

You want a neutered Gordon to exist among future super-villains and mob bosses who give orders to the police in their own station. Why? Because you don't think it's realistic that anyone would have that kind of courage?

No JayBee74 that is not what I'm saying. Please don't jump to conclusions bro. How the show is set up, maneuvering in a city where criminals come into the precinct and talk a bunch of crap to cops to their face and face no repercusions because the cops fear them is the environment Jim is walking into man. A dude that has no friends (other than Bullock who would rather look the other way as well.lol) in a city where people are untrustworthy and people disappear and no one asks questions. It really makes little sense how he would survive that long in a city like this with his upfront mentality for long. I'm not saying people with courage don't exist, what i'm saying in the world Fox has set up with this show, figuring out how to maneuver within the environment and keep his morale compass should be a major part of the show as well. Desperate or hopeless doesn't mean I want the guy crying in a beer at the end of every episode but just means that there should be a more complex process involved in getting things done and at the same time staying alive and not becoming corrupt himself imo. That would entail some better writing than has been displayed and the guy playing Gordon is a much better actor than the script allows him to be imo..


Shows like "The Wire" possesed that "WTF are we going to do" mode that was made entertaining by great writing. Not expecting this show to be Wire quality just using that as an example of what I'm trying to say. Hope I'm clear.
I still watch as it has been getting better but it still has room for improvement imo. Just my opinion man. Sorry if you disagree..

[JayBee74]

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No JayBee74 that is not what I'm saying. Please don't jump to conclusions bro. How the show is set up, maneuvering in a city where criminals come into the precinct and talk a bunch of crap to cops to their face and face no repercusions because the cops fear them is the environment Jim is walking into man. A dude that has no friends (other than Bullock who would rather look the other way as well.lol) in a city where people are untrustworthy and people disappear and no one asks questions. It really makes little sense how he would survive that long in a city like this with his upfront mentality for long. I'm not saying people with courage don't exist, what i'm saying in the world Fox has set up with this show, figuring out how to maneuver within the environment and keep his morale compass should be a major part of the show as well. Desperate or hopeless doesn't mean I want the guy crying in a beer at the end of every episode but means that there should be a more complex process involved in getting things done and at the same time staying alive and not becoming corrupt himself imo. That would entail some better writing than has been displayed and the guy playing Gordon is a much better actor than the script allows him to be imo..


Shows like "The Wire" possesed that "WTF are we going to do" mode that was made entertaining by great writing. Not expecting this show to be Wire quality just using that as an example of what I'm trying to say. Hope I'm clear.
I still watch as it has been getting better but it still has room for improvement imo. Just my opinion man. Sorry if you disagree..

Didn't mean to come across abrasive. Sorry NINJAK.

I hear ya' and you make some points, but I want the Gordon they have now. At the end of the day, in this ridiculous Gotham environment you need a law enforcer who's not scared to do just about anything. It's not like he's unaware of his limits in dealing with the mob. At least he pretended to kill THE Penguin.

Gordon is pretty much vanilla and by the book, but he's a great contrast for Bullock, and a good counterbalance to the scared, unethical Gotham police force. Being a little redundant but he's plays so well off of Bullock and the Captain.

[Zer0xray]

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so it seems that this show is still kind of decent? i found myself forcing myself to get through the episodes before the winter break. its just not as enjoyable of a show compared to flash/arrow.