Survivor: Cagayan — Brawn vs. Brains vs. Beauty

[Money99]

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I find the hidden immunity idols to be cheap and bs now. I think Russell finding the first one with no clue may have been legit thus made for a whole new angle, but are we to seriously believe that season after season these idols are being found in the middle of the jungle through legitimacy? Hell, one season Boston Rob found one talking to camera man, it was on top of a fork in the tree for goodness sake.

To me, it really makes the game seem like a scripted show because on top of finding a hidden idol the idols are always found by a major player, whether hated or loved, when they need it most.

Maybe it's all editing and I'm completely off base, but even if editing at least edit a little better that I can believe the idol finds without a clue are legit whether that be more clips of people looking or people talking about how much they've been looking - cause you gotta believe if Tony was searching long and hard for the thing and not just that one time, then he'd prolly say something about it in his one on ones.

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Yeah, I don't know how anyone can seriously believe that this show isn't scripted to some degree.
At the very least, the producers are pushing or providing information to some cast members.

I laughed out loud when Tony made a hideout in the middle of nowhere and the two girls from his tribe just happen to stop right in front so he can hear everything?
Then he finds that special idol in the dirt where no human being would have ever found unless there was a big 'X' written on top of it?

I also don't think it's a coincidence that some of the more boring members are out while the most dramatic and entertaining are still in the game.
Morgan was a pleasure to stare at every week, but had the personality of a cardboard box.
The same could be said about the entire jury so far. None of them had strong personalities.

It makes perfect sense for the producers to do as much as they could to make sure Tony stays on board. With both idol's, he's guaranteed to last at least another 2 tribal councils.

I'm not even angry about this. It's entertainment.
But I think it's crystal clear that the show isn't 100% unscripted and that people behind the camera's aren't manipulating the outcome.

[Majingir]

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^The show is edited so that the people who make it far stand out and the ones who get out earlier don't seem that important.

I've said this about Big Brother and it applies to Survivor too. I don't think they flat out tell people stuff, but during those private interviews, I think questions asked basically change how someone thinks about certain situations. Like if they suddenly start asking someone "Who do you think has the special idol?" and after they answer,they might ask a follow up like "Do you think Tony might have it?",that person might suddenly start believing maybe Tony does have the special idol since why else would they be asking that person about it.

It might not be rigged or scripted in that sense,but they essentially steer people in certain ways. At most in terms of rigged/scripted stuff,it's the challenge types. There's numerous seasons where similar challenges happen and same people keep on winning it. Heroes vs Villains for example,they had so many "stand on ____" or "balance on ___" challenges and Parv won almost every single one of those(and she was in danger most of those times of going home too)

Tony can control what happens in the game and determine the Final 4 if he plays it right.

Tony should not play an idol next tribal. The normal idol actually has more game value (if he has to use them when they are down to 5). He could play 1 idol each week, so the special one keeps him safe next tribal. If he doesn't get voted out, he has the normal idol to give away.

Setting up a 2 vs 2 final 4.

He shouldn't ever play an idol until he gets voted out(and then he plays the special idol afterwards). That's why I said earlier that this idol could produce the most powerful position in Survivor history.

[Majingir]

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Now it's down to the final 5, and 2(Trish,Kass) of those 5 I hate lol, and not really liking Spencer much either. Finals with no Tony or Woo would be flat out horrible for me. As much as I hate her,Kass did make sense during part of episode today. Mentioning Tony being like Russell in the sense that he'll play the game this type of way, make it to the end, but nobodys gonna vote for him. I unfortunately think that'll be true. You have an insanely bitter jury right now and there's 0 chance Tony is winning(and by association,Woo probably isn't ether,even if Kass/Trish are there too).

Based on how I think the jury will vote, my guess at most likely to least likely in terms of who'll win:
1.Spencer
2.Trish
3.Tony
4.Woo
5.Kass

[SuperBowlNachos]

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If Tony learned to move on he would be in a much better spot. I laughed last night when Kass said she had moved on and Tony said he had too. Then proceeded to keep ranting about it. He has made a bunch of blindsides, but how many were because someone else planted a seed in his head?

[aukevin]

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Other than Trish, I like all the people left in the game. Cass is kind of annoying, but she makes good TV. Woo has a good personality even though he doesn't do anything in the game. I think Trish is the typical useless player, Woo is with her on this though. To me Tony is a good player, he's just going to suffer the same wrath of the jury Russell did his first year which is unfortunate. Spencer and Tasha have been amazing at staying alive considering the positions they've been in the whole time. It was sad to see Tasha gone last night, she was a good player. If I had to vote for a winner right now I'd go with either Spencer or Tony.

[Majingir]

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Other than Trish, I like all the people left in the game. Cass is kind of annoying, but she makes good TV. Woo has a good personality even though he doesn't do anything in the game. I think Trish is the typical useless player, Woo is with her on this though. To me Tony is a good player, he's just going to suffer the same wrath of the jury Russell did his first year which is unfortunate. Spencer and Tasha have been amazing at staying alive considering the positions they've been in the whole time. It was sad to see Tasha gone last night, she was a good player. If I had to vote for a winner right now I'd go with either Spencer or Tony.

Funniest thing is that Kass starts arguing with Tony so much about how Tony was talking bad about her, and it's revealed that Tony actually wasn't saying bad stuff about Kass in the conversation she was listening in on. And Spencers like "The one time Tonys actually telling the truth, nobody believes him".

Next week, I really don't see how Kass isn't the one to go. No way Tony votes out Trish or Woo, and unless Kass wins immunity(which she obviously can't because she sucks at all challenges,and has proven she was the weak link in the brain tribe seeing how Spencer/Tasha won individual immunity), she's out.

Anyone else noticing that so many challenges this season have been things like puzzles/memory like challenges? Seemed almost like they're trying to help the brain tribe out alot. Almost every week it seems like there's some sort of puzzle/memory challenge

[The Chef]

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Funniest thing is that Kass starts arguing with Tony so much about how Tony was talking bad about her, and it's revealed that Tony actually wasn't saying bad stuff about Kass in the conversation she was listening in on. And Spencers like "The one time Tonys actually telling the truth, nobody believes him".

Next week, I really don't see how Kass isn't the one to go. No way Tony votes out Trish or Woo, and unless Kass wins immunity(which she obviously can't because she sucks at all challenges,and has proven she was the weak link in the brain tribe seeing how Spencer/Tasha won individual immunity), she's out.

Anyone else noticing that so many challenges this season have been things like puzzles/memory like challenges? Seemed almost like they're trying to help the brain tribe out alot. Almost every week it seems like there's some sort of puzzle/memory challenge

Yeah Kass could be gone but Im sure Spencer will go unless he wins immunity again. Woo has to be one of the weakest players Ive ever seen, anytime there is any talk of strategy he is either being told what to do by Tony or someone presents him with an option and he looks confused and lost as to what to do so I would be shocked if Woo ever flipped on Tony. Tony will make it because he not only has those 2 idols but now many are banking on him being hated by the jury and not getting any votes in the end. Tony's best chance at winning is taking Trish and Woo with him and then pointing out that neither did anything except what he told them too and hope the jury refuses to give the cash to someone who did nothing the entire game. If he gets there, and honestly Id be shocked if he didnt at this point, then Kass and Spencer are the only ones who can beat him. Kass can point to her big move when she flipped on her tribe and left herself vulnerable afterwards and Spencer can point to how he survived when the odds were stacked against him.

[shugknight]

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Is it me or does Kass talk alot of trash for someone that doesn't do anything? Other than turning on her former alliance that one time, she has done nothing but ride Tony's coattail along with Trish and Woo. I hate how she talks, she's so condescending. She thinks she's a great player, but honestly, she sucks at challenges, she's not easy on the eyes, and all she does is whine whine whine when things don't go on her way.

What happened to voting out Tony and flushing out the idol? The votes reveal she still voted for Tasha. So she talked all that game and never backed it up.

I was really hoping that Kass and Woo went with trying to vote out Tony.

I wanted Tony to give an idol to Trish.. then play his super idol after. That would have been epic.

It seems to me like the past few episodes Kass has been on menopause.

[The Chef]

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Is it me or does Kass talk alot of trash for someone that doesn't do anything? Other than turning on her former alliance that one time, she has done nothing but ride Tony's coattail along with Trish and Woo. I hate how she talks, she's so condescending. She thinks she's a great player, but honestly, she sucks at challenges, she's not easy on the eyes, and all she does is whine whine whine when things don't go on her way.

What happened to voting out Tony and flushing out the idol? The votes reveal she still voted for Trish. So she talked all that game and never backed it up.

I was really hoping that Kass and Woo went with trying to vote out Tony.

I wanted Tony to give an idol to Trish.. then play his super idol after. That would have been epic.

It seems to me like the past few episodes Kass has been on menopause.

Kass comes across as a control freak so when she isnt in total control or doesnt know everything thats going on then she freaks out and doesnt know what to do. Her only reasoning for not voting out Tony is exactly what she said, shes banking on Tony not getting any votes in the end and being this seasons Russell Hantz so now she sees the value in keeping him around until the finals where as before she only wanted to vote him off because of what she believed she heard him say coupled with the fact she doesnt like him.

[Majingir]

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Kass voted Tasha not Trish(if she voted Trish,that would've been part of the plan in the whole "girls vote Trish,guys vote Tony"). I wonder if Woo knows about Tonys special idol or something, cause it wouldn't be the first time someone knows about someone elses idol, but the editing makes it seem like that wasn't the case.

I think she probably just found out Woo was voting Tasha, and she didn't want to vote against the rest of the group and be seen as an outcast along with Spencer.

It'll be interesting to see when is the final tribal to play an idol. Cause if it's a final 3, then the next tribal will be the final time, but if it's a final 2, then it's possible that the idol can be played at the final 4 tribal.

[jeremym480]

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Riding Tony's coattails is what their game plan is at this point. Specifically, for Kass who is hoping that Tony turns so many people off that they won't vote for him.

I'm assuming there's three people in the finale - If it's Tony, Kass and either Woo or Trish - Tony's likely not winning because of the bitter jury and what can the other two say that they have done? At least, Kass can point out something. Which was a "big, game changing move". The others (not counting Spencer) have really got nothing. Well, unless they do something between now and the finale. Therefore, in my opinion, riding Tony's coattails as well as playing his adversary is a very solid strategy.

[Majingir]

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There's 1 episode until the finale, and it's already 5 people left, so going into the final episode with a final 4 basically means a final 2. If it's the case, it's first time in like 5 years.

[wwharton]

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Other than Trish, I like all the people left in the game. Cass is kind of annoying, but she makes good TV. Woo has a good personality even though he doesn't do anything in the game. I think Trish is the typical useless player, Woo is with her on this though. To me Tony is a good player, he's just going to suffer the same wrath of the jury Russell did his first year which is unfortunate. Spencer and Tasha have been amazing at staying alive considering the positions they've been in the whole time. It was sad to see Tasha gone last night, she was a good player. If I had to vote for a winner right now I'd go with either Spencer or Tony.

I've heard people throughout this thread say how great of a player Tony is since the beginning and I don't really see it. Great at finding idols maybe. He's lied since day one and been horrible at keeping others from figuring out he's a liar. He's overly paranoid and it hasn't taken much for someone to get him to turn on the people he claims to trust. He's done so much I can't imagine how any jury would vote for him. I think riding his coattails right now is the correct move bc he's locked in his spot for another couple of weeks but continues to dig his own grave.

Kass voted Tasha not Trish(if she voted Trish,that would've been part of the plan in the whole "girls vote Trish,guys vote Tony"). I wonder if Woo knows about Tonys special idol or something, cause it wouldn't be the first time someone knows about someone elses idol, but the editing makes it seem like that wasn't the case.

I think she probably just found out Woo was voting Tasha, and she didn't want to vote against the rest of the group and be seen as an outcast along with Spencer.

It'll be interesting to see when is the final tribal to play an idol. Cause if it's a final 3, then the next tribal will be the final time, but if it's a final 2, then it's possible that the idol can be played at the final 4 tribal.

Cass told Woo to switch. That discussion about it making more sense to keep Tony around... and it doesn't take much to convince Woo not to vote off Tony. Cass made the smart move. It may not seem like she's doing much, but I actually think she's playing a very good game. I even think the timing of her argument with Tony was calculated.

[p_rushing]

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The argument was definitely planned. She knew Tony didn't say anything like that. She just used it to create the argument and get people to see Tony that way.

The entire thing may have been fake anyways or a reenactment. Do they normally have a camera man standing there filming sleeping people? If not that's a big clue that they are awake. Same thing about Tony hiding to listen, if you see a camera, there must be someone there.

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[l3ulvl]

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The argument was definitely planned. She knew Tony didn't say anything like that. She just used it to create the argument and get people to see Tony that way.

The entire thing may have been fake anyways or a reenactment. Do they normally have a camera man standing there filming sleeping people? If not that's a big clue that they are awake. Same thing about Tony hiding to listen, if you see a camera, there must be someone there.

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Yeah I was curious about that whole "tony hiding in the bushes" stuff. The girls thought some random camera guy was just out there filming nothing?