Batman Vs Superman - Dawn Of Justice

[Blzer]

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But in order to have global appeal, you would need to consider that MOST people don't read comics and a larger numbers to to the movies. It's like the book angle on a movie. Don't make me read the book to understand and enjoy the movie.

Hmm...

I don't disagree with you, I'm just thinking about why some people hated Man of Steel (when people are like "They ****ed with Superman!").

Same goes for Iron Man 3 (Mandarin), The Dark Knight Rises (Batman), Spider-Man 3 (Venom), Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (Galactus), and heck even the Transformers series (Megatron). If their origin version isn't replicated, people seem to have a fit. Me? I got to go through all of these and say like... "Yeah, but I didn't read/see those so I'm good with what I got." To an extent, of course. I didn't love all of these films myself, but I didn't necessarily hate them because of the version of what they chose for things.

[Jm0ney2001]

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Down to 33% on Rotten Tomatoes. Ouch. I'm so disappointed. I only hope the box office numbers reflect how bad the movie is. I'm still seeing it though.

[mestevo]

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Most people don't read comics is quite an understatement, average popular comic ships 100k copies.

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[Streets]

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The DCCU has several issues plaguing it right now and they could learn a thing or two from Marvel. I'm sure some of these points might rub people the wrong way and if so that's not my intention. These are just my thoughts/observations. And if people disagree I hope we can do so civilly.

1. They are rushing it. They are so quick to catchup to Marvel that they are rushing everything and throwing a bunch of undeveloped characters together. Civil War works because aside from Cap the other characters have been well developed in other films. Even entities like Hydra have meaning that has slowly been developed over time in both TV and movies. Aside from Superman no one else is coming in developed, and asking for one movie to provide that for so many characters is a tall order. This movie will sell and probably break records on the names / premise alone. If you want to make a quick buck that's fine, but if you want to build the foundation for your universe, this might not be the best way to go.

2. If the reviews are correct and there's a bunch of pointless plot points and dialogue that may or may not make sense in other movies, then that's a problem. A cliffhanger or two is fine, but your movies should be able to stand alone and also set stuff up for the future. Ant-Man is a great example of a movie that laid a lot of ground work for an Ant-Man and Wasp movie and for his inclusion in Civil War. And it all made sense within the story being told and thus the movie can stand on its own.

3. As for the turning everything dark, and modern and edgy... If what you provide is good, people will be more forgiving. People lost their minds when Spidey didn't have his web shooters. It was like the end of the world in geekdom because it wasn't true to the source material. Over time though Marvel has earned people's trust to put their own spin on stories and characters. That didn't happen overnight. But repeated quality films earned them that right with the fans. Now Wasp is Pyms daughter instead of his wife, and Jarvis is Vision, Skye is Quake who is the daughter of Hyde, Tony created Ultron, and the first class (though not a Marvel studios film) includes no original X-Men except Beast I think. I mean we could riff all day on changes big and small, but the point is people just accept that the MCU and the 616 are different universes.

4. Now I believe DC is doing the right thing by changing up their icons but they also have to tell good stories while doing it. The reason why they need to refresh their characters is because they are stale. Society as a whole has outgrown the DC characters. Super Jesus and Bat God who very rarely are ever tested and always come out on top are not compelling or relatable characters. People can relate to people that are flawed. Murdock is a self-righteous ***, Stark has a drinking problem and is arrogant, Fury is morally grey, Punisher is nuts, Cap is conflicted between his personal morals and upholding the government ideals he was created to protect, and on down the line. DC and Marvel remind me of wrestling in the 90's. The biggest names were all WCW. And WCW coasted on those characters like Hogan and Macho Man but the characters were antiquated and no longer connected with the fans. People don't see the world in terms of good and bad or black and white anymore. When the antiheroes like Austin, Rock and DX arrived and the line between good and bad was blurred and the storylines were more developed, WWE crushed WCW. This is similar to what is happening in DC/Marvel, so DC almost has to modernize their product to keep up with the times. But just making everything "darker" isn't enough.

5. Sticking with the wrestling analogy, one thing that WWE did during the attitude era was push new stars. They weren't afraid to take chances on young up and comers. Similarly, Inhumans, Ant-Man, Guardians, Jessica Jones, Strange, Daredevil and lord knows who else are getting pushes. Marvel didn't have to take those risks as they were already killing it and could've coasted on the Avengers. A benefit of working with lesser known characters is people are more forgiving when you take liberties when the source is less iconic. DC is doing this with Arrow on TV and Suicide Squad in the movies. Less of a reliance on the Justice League will be a good thing going forward for them and they need to take those risks to have an impact.

6. Finally I think they are trying to appeal to too many people while also trying to be different for the sake of being different and it is distorting their vision (whatever that is). So you want to be the more deep, complex, adult oriented product, but you damn sure want to sell those Bats vs Supes toys at Target. You can't have it both ways. Can't be for the kids and also be dark. Marvel movies are not kid movies. They are everyone movies. Kids and adults enjoy them all the same. DC wants that same broad appeal but does not want to follow the blueprint for success Marvel created. So Marvels Netflix universe does DC's product better in terms of the whole dark, gritty thing because they are catering only to adults, and their movie universe is also accomplishing DC's goals for box office / critical success because they have a formula that appeals to a wider audience. It's hard to do both.

[ODogg]

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quit reading reviews, i am, too depressing. already bought my tickets or i'd probably not even go. yes you guys have officially rubbed off on me, LOL.

[LBzrule]

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I'm going to see this film. To be clear, I never had too high hopes for it because of Jack Snyder. He's done some decent things but he's done some terrible things, ie, 300 Rise of an Empire.

[Blzer]

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I'm going to see this film. To be clear, I never had too high hopes for it because of Jack Snyder. He's done some decent things but he's done some terrible things, ie, 300 Rise of an Empire.

[LBzrule]

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Zach LOL not Jack. I was reading up on Jack Bauer while posting and got Zach and Jack crossed LOL.

[LowerWolf]

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I'm going to see it this weekend. My expectations have been low for awhile, but I'm hoping to be proven wrong. As much as I enjoy the Marvel movies, I've always been more of a DC fan.

As sick as I am of reboots, I almost wish DC would just reboot the whole thing and take their time setting it up. It just feels like they're rushing through building the foundation to me. And if the foundation isn't good, what comes later will suffer for it.

[wwharton]

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They somehow pulled off a critically acclaimed dark/PG-13 movie with Dark Knight, so they can conceivebly do so here. Apparently there's an R rated version running a full three hours so I guess that will be amazing since it's geared towards adults? Something tells me that won't be the case, but who knows.

Others are focusing on the the R rating but I'm just talking about being geared toward adults (or more specifically, the proper target audience). In that regard, the rating doesn't matter that much to me. I'm not going to these movies to see nudity or a Tarantino blood fest. An R rating is good for the resume bc it can give you an idea of who the movie is made for, but most can be done under PG-13 without a problem (Dark Knight being the PERFECT example).

With that said, I don't think you can cut out enough to change the tone of the movie so I don't know how an R rating with 30 mins of extra content will make much of a difference.

6. Finally I think they are trying to appeal to too many people while also trying to be different for the sake of being different and it is distorting their vision (whatever that is). So you want to be the more deep, complex, adult oriented product, but you damn sure want to sell those Bats vs Supes toys at Target. You can't have it both ways. Can't be for the kids and also be dark. Marvel movies are not kid movies. They are everyone movies. Kids and adults enjoy them all the same. DC wants that same broad appeal but does not want to follow the blueprint for success Marvel created. So Marvels Netflix universe does DC's product better in terms of the whole dark, gritty thing because they are catering only to adults, and their movie universe is also accomplishing DC's goals for box office / critical success because they have a formula that appeals to a wider audience. It's hard to do both.

This is kind of what I was getting at.

[dubcity]

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Down to 33% on Rotten Tomatoes. Ouch. I'm so disappointed. I only hope the box office numbers reflect how bad the movie is. I'm still seeing it though.

I would say at least it's not as as big of a critical bomb as Batman & Robin, but that movie was completely unserious and more or less lame on purpose lol.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Even Batman & Robin was fun and entertaining although you might end up rolling your eyes out of your head by the end of it.

[TripleCrown9]

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I would say at least it's not as as big of a critical bomb as Batman & Robin, but that movie was completely unserious and more or less lame on purpose lol.

Even Batman & Robin was fun and entertaining although you might end up rolling your eyes out of your head by the end of it.

Chill out!

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[PeoplesChampGB]

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Ill be taking the wife to the drive in to see it tomorrow night. Cant wait.

[wwharton]

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Even Batman & Robin was fun and entertaining although you might end up rolling your eyes out of your head by the end of it.

I like to think of it as the one that made them go the route of the Dark Knight. That's LITERALLY the only good thing I have to say about that movie.