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  • l3ulvl
    Hall Of Fame
    • Dec 2009
    • 17252

    #121
    Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

    Liking Superstore so far and definitely seeing character comparisons to The Office
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    • ~LiverpoolRed~
      YNWA
      • Dec 2008
      • 10755

      #122
      Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

      ^ I was the opposite. I couldn't make it through 5 minutes of it.

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      • JayBee74
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2002
        • 22989

        #123
        Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

        Originally posted by p_rushing
        The tech is already there, just not implemented because the providers don't want to piss off all their customers. They can already inject local commercials or even commercials based on when you are watching from the DVR.
        Wasn't thinking because the tech is obviously there, because ON DEMAND does the commercials sometimes.

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        • aholbert32
          (aka Alberto)
          • Jul 2002
          • 33106

          #124
          Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

          Originally posted by JayBee74
          A sadder day is when you have to pay $2.99 for one episode of The Blacklist. If they can't figure out a way for commercials to be digested by the consumer that day is coming.....the day of PPV TV.

          There has to be a revenue source for the network and the advertisers have to get their money's worth, so I'm surprised the " DVR forced commercial tech" hasn't been developed or implemented yet.
          I dont think it will ever get to that point. At my network, I've been hearing executives discuss the effect of DVRs on ad revenue for years and PPV has never been an option and really never seriously discussed. That would cannibalize our industry.

          What will happen is that you will see a ridiculous amount of product placement in shows. You dont want to watch a Pepsi commercial? Well we are going to make the guys from the Big Bang Theory drink Pepsi within the show. We may ask the producers to add a few lines of dialogue within the show to talk about Pepsi.

          Regarding DVRs, I dont see them eliminating fast forwarding through commercials but they may change the software so it works like Tivo. With Tivo even if you skip forward 30 seconds, the software will just fast forward very quickly but the person is still seeing the commercials.

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          • JayBee74
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2002
            • 22989

            #125
            Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

            Originally posted by aholbert32
            Regarding DVRs, I dont see them eliminating fast forwarding through commercials but they may change the software so it works like Tivo. With Tivo even if you skip forward 30 seconds, the software will just fast forward very quickly but the person is still seeing the commercials.
            All of your observations were good ones, but how does the above work?^^^^

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            • aholbert32
              (aka Alberto)
              • Jul 2002
              • 33106

              #126
              Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

              Originally posted by JayBee74
              All of your observations were good ones, but how does the above work?^^^^
              So when I had a Verizon DVR, if I pressed the 30 sec skip button, the show would jump 30 seconds and I would not see the 30 seconds of commercials at all.

              I recently switched to a TIVO DVR and when I push the 30 sec skip button, it just fast forwards thirty seconds and stops. So you see the commercial. Its no different than if you press the fast forward button.

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              • l3ulvl
                Hall Of Fame
                • Dec 2009
                • 17252

                #127
                Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                Originally posted by ~LiverpoolRed~
                ^ I was the opposite. I couldn't make it through 5 minutes of it.
                Makes sense, I didn't like how it started lol, Ugly Betty seemed really mean
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                • p_rushing
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 14514

                  #128
                  Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                  Originally posted by aholbert32
                  So when I had a Verizon DVR, if I pressed the 30 sec skip button, the show would jump 30 seconds and I would not see the 30 seconds of commercials at all.

                  I recently switched to a TIVO DVR and when I push the 30 sec skip button, it just fast forwards thirty seconds and stops. So you see the commercial. Its no different than if you press the fast forward button.
                  I think TIVO has or at least had an option to pick what you wanted

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                  • JayBee74
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 22989

                    #129
                    Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                    Originally posted by ~LiverpoolRed~
                    ^ I was the opposite. I couldn't make it through 5 minutes of it.
                    I watched the first episode, and although there could be something decent here they're early on trying to show some sparks between America and Feldman (Ginsberg-the Mad Men guy) and I don't see anything sparkling. America has something, but Feldman just seems bland, absent of charisma.

                    And amid some OK material there was lame stuff too.

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                    • Majingir
                      Moderator
                      • Apr 2005
                      • 47649

                      #130
                      Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                      Originally posted by aholbert32
                      What will happen is that you will see a ridiculous amount of product placement in shows. You dont want to watch a Pepsi commercial? Well we are going to make the guys from the Big Bang Theory drink Pepsi within the show. We may ask the producers to add a few lines of dialogue within the show to talk about Pepsi.

                      Regarding DVRs, I dont see them eliminating fast forwarding through commercials but they may change the software so it works like Tivo. With Tivo even if you skip forward 30 seconds, the software will just fast forward very quickly but the person is still seeing the commercials.
                      I don't mind product placement. But even then, there'd be issues. Some show in USA getting money from companies advertising within it, what do the channels that air the show in other countries get? Cause now they got no ads to run on TV, and basically showing ads for free within the shows.

                      And that show forever will be advertising those products. Imagine watching Seinfeld or Friends today, still seeing ads on their shows for McDonalds, or maybe even ads of companies no longer around(possibly cause of some sort of corruption/scandal which ruined the company), they'd forever be associated with that. Paying one time fee, to get ads on a show forever.

                      Maybe just air ads on a show itself. No commercial breaks, but you'll see a ticker like thing appear on a show(set by the respective network which is airing it),advertising products. Networks do that basically for advertising their own shows already, doing that for ads I don't think would be much harder, especially since each network in each country which airs the show, can still put in their own ads, and if show gets aired later on(or put on dvd/netflix or anything like that), the ads which aired on the live airing,won't be present later on.

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                      • l3ulvl
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 17252

                        #131
                        Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                        So it would be like Wayne's World?

                        Last edited by l3ulvl; 12-02-2015, 12:03 AM.
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                        • aholbert32
                          (aka Alberto)
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 33106

                          #132
                          Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                          Originally posted by Majingir
                          I don't mind product placement. But even then, there'd be issues. Some show in USA getting money from companies advertising within it, what do the channels that air the show in other countries get? Cause now they got no ads to run on TV, and basically showing ads for free within the shows.

                          And that show forever will be advertising those products. Imagine watching Seinfeld or Friends today, still seeing ads on their shows for McDonalds, or maybe even ads of companies no longer around(possibly cause of some sort of corruption/scandal which ruined the company), they'd forever be associated with that. Paying one time fee, to get ads on a show forever.

                          Maybe just air ads on a show itself. No commercial breaks, but you'll see a ticker like thing appear on a show(set by the respective network which is airing it),advertising products. Networks do that basically for advertising their own shows already, doing that for ads I don't think would be much harder, especially since each network in each country which airs the show, can still put in their own ads, and if show gets aired later on(or put on dvd/netflix or anything like that), the ads which aired on the live airing,won't be present later on.
                          Ads will never go away completetly. Only 60% of the US has a DVR and there are plenty of people (like my wife) who have DVRs but regularly forget to fast forward through commercials. Ads will and always will have a place in TV.

                          Also a US televisions network will never and shouldnt ever be concerned about international airings of their programs. Why? Because the US network is footing most of the bill to produce the show. Lets take a show like the Walking Dead.

                          AMC produces the show and pays millions related to the filming, production and promotion of the show. The way they are able to make that money back is through ad sales, product placement, direct sponsorships ("Walking Dead presented by Audi") and affiliate sales (the percentage of your cable bill that accounts for AMC.

                          So lets make it simple: Lets say the Walking Dead costs 100 million to produce and AMC pays all of it. Their only concern is what will benefit them because they are the only ones paying for the production up front. When you see the show on a Canadian or UK network, those networks are licensing the program after its been produced and paying a fraction of the actual costs of the series (5-10 million tops).

                          So that Canadian company can air episodes of TWD at a lower cost and keep all of the ad revenue from the Canadian broadcasts. So if I'm AMC, I could give a damn if Pepsi is all over TWD and the international broadcasters arent getting a cut. They didnt develop the show or pay for the production costs.

                          In episode ads would never work in my opinion. People would be furious if an ad for Target popped up during an important scene in a show. People are conditioned to expect ads during the commercial breaks. Shoot people complain about product placement that is integrated into the program. Also, by putting ads on a ticker, it limits the creativity of an ad and advertisers would offer significantly less for an ad that only appears in a ticker.

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                          • kehlis
                            Moderator
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 27738

                            #133
                            Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                            Originally posted by Majingir
                            I don't mind product placement. But even then, there'd be issues. Some show in USA getting money from companies advertising within it, what do the channels that air the show in other countries get? Cause now they got no ads to run on TV, and basically showing ads for free within the shows.

                            And that show forever will be advertising those products. Imagine watching Seinfeld or Friends today, still seeing ads on their shows for McDonalds, or maybe even ads of companies no longer around(possibly cause of some sort of corruption/scandal which ruined the company), they'd forever be associated with that. Paying one time fee, to get ads on a show forever.

                            Maybe just air ads on a show itself. No commercial breaks, but you'll see a ticker like thing appear on a show(set by the respective network which is airing it),advertising products. Networks do that basically for advertising their own shows already, doing that for ads I don't think would be much harder, especially since each network in each country which airs the show, can still put in their own ads, and if show gets aired later on(or put on dvd/netflix or anything like that), the ads which aired on the live airing,won't be present later on.
                            I'm not sure you understand how TV/Radio makes their money. People tuning in to watch their show don't pay them. It's advertisers that pay because of the amount of people tuning in....

                            No tv station could sell a ticker for their advertisement. No advertiser is going to pay for something they know that no one will pay attention to if it happens while the show is going on.


                            Just like traffic reports on the radio. A lot of people who don't understand how that industry makes money thinks it's actually a public service when in reality it's just another way for radio stations to make money.
                            Last edited by kehlis; 12-02-2015, 12:47 AM.

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                            • SuperBowlNachos
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 10218

                              #134
                              Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                              Does anyone watch Manhattan?

                              If you do, is there any legal place to watch online? Maybe I am idiot, but I don't see episodes on Hulu or on the WGN site.

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                              • JayBee74
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 22989

                                #135
                                Re: 2015-2016 TV Season

                                Originally posted by SuperBowlNachos
                                Does anyone watch Manhattan?

                                If you do, is there any legal place to watch online? Maybe I am idiot, but I don't see episodes on Hulu or on the WGN site.
                                The first season is on Hulu, but I don't see any ON DEMAND episodes (UVerse) for season 2-$19.99 for a season 2 pass on Amazon Instant.

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