Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

[NYJets]

Re: Game of Thrones: Season 8 (Final season)

I still don't understand why people are upset over things feeling rushed. It's only 6 episodes in something that should be 10 episodes. We are missing anywhere from 3-5 hours of content. Also a majority of this season has been battles that we needed but that also took up more time. There was just no opportunity to flesh more character development out in a proper way. This is why I just take it for what it is able to be. I love discussing this show but it has turned into lots of complaining lately. Oh well. I digress.

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Well i think the point is it was a conscious decision to make it only 6 episodes, and to make this the last season. It was not a constraint they were being forced to deal with

[tdawg3782]

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Well i think the point is it was a conscious decision to make it only 6 episodes, and to make this the last season. It was not a constraint they were being forced to deal with

While that may be the case they decided to finish is 6 episodes. If you are mad about that I get it. I'd love more myself. However expecting it not to be rushed in this shortened format is foolish to be honest. What did you expect? That's my point. I just was hoping for more what's gonna happen next and ideas instead of I hate this, they should have done this, this sucks now. That's all.

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[kingkilla56]

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It didn't happen this episode when the "bells rang" as you assumed. It wasn't out of nowhere as the people who didn't "like how it happened" seem to think

You specifically pointed out that she saved people two episodes ago. But somehow forgot about all the people she's killed during her conquest for the throne over the years or that her bestie and child were killed the episode directly preceding this one.

I guess Im just viewing it from a different lens. 🤷🏾*♂️

Im getting really sick of people saying "look at all she had done in the past, all the people she killed. This was always coming". I call bull.

Robert Baratheon killed alot of people. Ned Stark killed alot of people. Jon Snow killed alot of people. Reagar killed alot of people. All in the name of getting what they wanted. Only Dany was at risk of going mad? Nonsense. There is absolutely nothing in her history (other than her father) that suggests she would ever resort to intentionally burning down innocent civilians, especially after already winning and attaining what she wanted all her life. The woman who freed thousands of poor powerless slaves and did everything she could to make their lives easier, even when some of them wanted to stay slaves mind you.

I know you guys want to defend this direction for whatever reason, but it just doesnt hold water. Dany has lost alot in her life, but she would never in a million years burn down poor and innocent people in the streets all because she was grieving an angry at Cersei. Not when the war was over, and she won. She rolled around the city for hours burning everything that moved. Messendei dying did that? Jorah? Not even Jeofrey would do something so psycho. Her father resorted to that logic when all the walls were caving around him and he was going to lose his kingdom. Dany did so because....she won in easy fashion? You are buying that?

They needed more time to sell this. 6 episodes was not enough. I dont care who she threatened in season 3. She went from celebrating victory with the northmen one episode, to instantly wanting to rule through fear? She isnt loved in westeros? Shes been there for what, 6 months? a Year?

This is a woman who wasnt loved in Yunkai Meereen Astapor etc but had to earn it. And learn to rule. Why is she so impatient now? Why is she so fast to jump to 1000% on the psycho scale? Is it because there are only 6 episodes left?

Its for a contrived narrative to get the Starks in a position of supreme protagonists. Its beyond obvious at this point. And its borderline insulting.

[TMagic]

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Im getting really sick of people saying "look at all she had done in the past, all the people she killed. This was always coming". I call bull.

Robert Baratheon killed alot of people. Ned Stark killed alot of people. Jon Snow killed alot of people. Reagar killed alot of people. All in the name of getting what they wanted. Only Dany was at risk of going mad? Nonsense. There is absolutely nothing in her history (other than her father) that suggests she would ever resort to intentionally burning down innocent civilians, especially after already winning and attaining what she wanted all her life. The woman who freed thousands of poor powerless slaves and did everything she could to make their lives easier, even when some of them wanted to stay slaves mind you.

I know you guys want to defend this direction for whatever reason, but it just doesnt hold water. Dany has lost alot in her life, but she would never in a million years burn down poor and innocent people in the streets all because she was grieving an angry at Cersei. Not when the war was over, and she won. She rolled around the city for hours burning everything that moved. Messendei dying did that? Jorah? Not even Jeofrey would do something so psycho. Her father resorted to that logic when all the walls were caving around him and he was going to lose his kingdom. Dany did so because....she won in easy fashion? You are buying that?

They needed more time to sell this. 6 episodes was not enough. I dont care who she threatened in season 3. She went from celebrating victory with the northmen one episode, to instantly wanting to rule through fear? She isnt loved in westeros? Shes been there for what, 6 months? a Year?

This is a woman who wasnt loved in Yunkai Meereen Astapor etc but had to earn it. And learn to rule. Why is she so impatient now? Why is she so fast to jump to 1000% on the psycho scale? Is it because there are only 6 episodes left?

Its for a contrived narrative to get the Starks in a position of supreme protagonists. Its beyond obvious at this point. And its borderline insulting.

I don't know how you can simply ignore the fact that her pops was crazy or downplay it. Thats a pretty big deal. Big enough that he was constantly being referenced throughout the entire narrative of the show. Targaryens are known to be crazy. You can't just choose to not factor that bit of information into her story...What is that? Lol

You bring up Joffrey. And I'm actually glad you did because he has similarities to Dany. He was a psycho. He was born out of incest and that was blamed as the reason he was crazy. Dany was born of incest as well. Joffrey was unhinged and everyone knew he was a psycho. He just managed to be kept in check by Tyrion at first (at one point he wanted his kingsguard to murder a bunch of people jeering at him. "Kill them all!" But Tyrion stopped it). And then Tywin took over as hand of the king and basically ruled the country. Tywin was also hand when the Mad King was in power and was able to lead just the same as the Mad King became worse and worse.

And because of the way he performed as Hand to Joffrey, Varys wants Tyrion to be the hand to Dany. Both because he thinks Tyrion would make a great leader...and because he can act as a safeguard to Danys impulsiveness, just as he was to crazy *** Joffrey. Just as Tywin was to the Mad King. Joffrey was every bit as crazy as Dany. He just didn't have freaking dragons. Could you imagine? [emoji23]

And the slave saga was a look into the future for her. She liberated these cities and just as quickly they returned to what they were. Everyone was not happy as you try to make it seem. That goes for the noble and poor alike. She learned there that her trying to please everyone was getting her nowhere and doesn't lead to peace.

After the fight with the WW, she was not happy. You make it seems as if she was chumming it up with the boys. No. Far from it. She was sitting in the corner brewing by herself, jealous of John Snow. She was still an outside even after this great ordeal they faced head on together. Again, same theme of doing the right thing not bearing any fruit.

And you have the part about her "winning" wrong. She won the fight yes. But the throne. No. As Yanks and I mentioned in previous posts, her plans got blown to **** with the news that John is Targaryen. He's the rightful heir. And he has the people behind him. Both things she does not have.

And then when she learns of Varys conspiring to overthrow her, when she hasn't even placed a cheek on the throne yet, she sees the fragility of her "destiny".

So she turns to fear as the only card she has left to defend her claim to the throne. Lady Tyrell tells her last season "They won't obey you unless they fear you."...The beginning of this last episode Dany says outright "I don't have love...I only have fear." And then after John's rejection "Fine...fear it is"

She didn't burn the city because she was "mad at Cercei" Lol

[DieHardYankee26]

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She already had fear. Burning the city will just turn everyone against her. You're saying Dany is like Joffrey? Her brother was more like that, she's closer to Tommen but even then not the same. I'm not seeing her like that.

The Mad King was losing his ****, Dany is rightfully worried her spot will be taken. In that sense, she's not mad she's just protective. Seems like it would've made more sense for her to try to lead the people away from Cersei and get them behind her because the people were never behind Cersei to begin with.

A thing I've seen that would've made it a lot better is if we had 2 surviving dragons, the bells go off, and then a Scorpion kills one while she's about to let the city go, or one of the soldiers on the ground should've said **** it and killed Grey Worm or something. We just needed a trigger in that moment, the show gave us bells. The writers said she saw the Red Keep and lost it. We'll see how they play it next week but I think you're giving the writers too much credit. The spoilers for the end of the show don't line up with "she was trying to instill fear" but again, we will see.

Part of it for me is the buildup of the Night King and the idea of Winter is Coming as the true threat minimized the importance of the Iron Throne in my mind, Cersei is sitting on it with no support and no one cares. Tyrion mentions a few episodes ago, the vast majority of people don't care about the throne. Then you've got an enemy that's death itself, you kill him and... We're back on to the Throne? I think the quick shift between the Night King, Cersei, and Dany after spending so long on specific goals is making things too messy.

[ehh]

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I saw a great point that another problematic development in this season is that we've now had three straight episodes with three different Big Baddies. From the Night King in E3 to Cersei in E4 to Dany in E5. It doesn't get more rushed than that.

[johnnyg713]

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I saw a great point that another problematic development in this season is that we've now had three straight episodes with three different Big Baddies. From the Night King in E3 to Cersei in E4 to Dany in E5. It doesn't get more rushed than that.

NK and Cersei were both baddies for a long time, so I have no issue with the back to back episodes. The rushed part is definitely the Dany story line. There are so many loose ends still, I don't know how they are going to close them all next episode.

[NYJets]

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While that may be the case they decided to finish is 6 episodes. If you are mad about that I get it. I'd love more myself. However expecting it not to be rushed in this shortened format is foolish to be honest. What did you expect? That's my point. I just was hoping for more what's gonna happen next and ideas instead of I hate this, they should have done this, this sucks now. That's all.

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This is a strange point you are making.

People aren't happy with how it is ending and are sharing it. When the show has been a favorite for 7 seasons and HBO has given them full support and resources to end the show however they think is best, you expect it to continue to be great. The hope is they chose the short season but longer episode format because that's what they think they need, and not because they have no idea how to end it and just want to get on with their lives

[dickey1331]

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Either way, books won't be 'that different' from the show, per GRRM.



Books will have a lot more to add in the way of secondary characters who's story could vary significantly.

The ending might be the same but how they got there will be different. I’m convinced fAegon will play a bigger role in the rest of the books. They just left him out of the show.


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[ZB9]

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Im not surprised that Dany went mad queen. There have been glimpses of her Targeryen "fire and blood" tendencies since the beginning of the show.

In Season 2, Dany says quote: “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”

Also in season 2, “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”

She would have burned down cities in Essos too but Tyrion and Jorah stopped her. They couldn't stop her from literally crucifying people though. She executed hundreds of noblemen and when she found out that some of them were innocent, she didn't seem to give a dang.

Another example is the prophecy from season 1.

There are plenty more examples throughout the show and throughout the books. They have been building it up since the very beginning.

[CMH]

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You all are still saying the same things. We know it's been building up. It still doesn't make her turn any less rushed and lacking sense at the moment.


Just because she said those things, she still didn't behave in such a way that told you she would simply flip the switch because of a couple of bad things happening to her. She's had bad things happen to her all series. Now she flips? And that suddenly?


Because it was suddenly. That's the thing you all are ignoring. No matter how often the show tried to tell us she will go mad (and we all understand that), she had not started to turn at any point. She simply just went mad. All of a sudden. With little reason.


And no, Jon denying her, her friends dying are not a reason when we've seen far worse happen to her over 7 seasons.


I'll take the side of the critics across the board, people that have studied the show for 8 seasons and the actors themselves that have expressed a dislike for the direction of the series.


They blew this series. Had a chance to be considered one of the all-time great shows. It will be joked about in a few years, especially if the spin-offs are handled with care.

[ZB9]

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You all are still saying the same things. We know it's been building up. It still doesn't make her turn any less rushed and lacking sense at the moment.


Just because she said those things, she still didn't behave in such a way that told you she would simply flip the switch because of a couple of bad things happening to her. She's had bad things happen to her all series. Now she flips? And that suddenly?


Because it was suddenly. That's the thing you all are ignoring. No matter how often the show tried to tell us she will go mad (and we all understand that), she had not started to turn at any point. She simply just went mad. All of a sudden. With little reason.


And no, Jon denying her, her friends dying are not a reason when we've seen far worse happen to her over 7 seasons.


I'll take the side of the critics across the board, people that have studied the show for 8 seasons and the actors themselves that have expressed a dislike for the direction of the series.


They blew this series. Had a chance to be considered one of the all-time great shows. It will be joked about in a few years, especially if the spin-offs are handled with care.

You admit that it's been building up over 8 seasons, and then say that it's sudden or rushed? That is quite a contradiction.

Like has been said, she would have done this before but her advisors stopped her. The only advisor that she has left just freed her prisoner that literally killed her father. She simply didn't have anyone to stop her this time.

Also, as psychotic as her actions in kings landing were, fear is probably the only way that she can actually get the throne (which is how her ancestors conquered westoros). They certainly aren't going to appoint her queen of the 7 when John has a better claim.

[DamnYanks2]

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I'm not trying to be a dick. But I don't understand how people can't grasp that Dany could turn so quick. Like we needed two seasons for her to get to that point.

Maybe you just like a deeper story. But I don't think that was rushed as much as some of you claim.





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[kingkilla56]

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Can someone tell me exactly what Jon's role this season has been? He hasnt done anything all year long. "I dont want the Throne." "You are my queen" "Im not a Stark" Thats all hes said all year it seems.

Almost as if hes been insulated from the fallout they knew was coming.

[NYJets]

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I'm not trying to be a dick. But I don't understand how people can't grasp that Dany could turn so quick. Like we needed two seasons for her to get to that point.

Maybe you just like a deeper story. But I don't think that was rushed as much as some of you claim.





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I don't get how people can't see how being ruthless towards people who crossed her, or people who owned slaves she wanted to free, or people who backed her into a corner is different from burning a city of innocents after she had won the battle. Like it's not even in the same stratosphere.

As far as needing to make people fear her, she just won this battle without breaking a sweat. She's burned alive people who betrayed her. Nobody needed 30 minutes of her destroying civilians in a city to see that she means business.