007 is now a woman

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Different characters have been Batman. Different characters have been Spider-Man. It's not entirely different here.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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So glad I saw this thread, lol.

What happened with Idris though? Was that legit or just internet rumor? Legit asking because I honestly don’t know.

[Blzer]

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So glad I saw this thread, lol.

What happened with Idris though? Was that legit or just internet rumor? Legit asking because I honestly don’t know.

I think everything was just a wishlist thing. People wanted Idris Elba, Tom Hiddleston, Tom Hardy, etc... just dream dudes for Bond fans after Craig said he wanted out.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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So glad I saw this thread, lol.

What happened with Idris though? Was that legit or just internet rumor? Legit asking because I honestly don’t know.

Nothing official as far as I know. Mostly fans clamoring for him and doing it vocally.

[TripleCrown9]

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And, coincidentally, a bunch of vocal fans demanding that 007 is supposed to be white.

[Blzer]

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And, coincidentally, a bunch of vocal fans demanding that 007 is supposed to be white.

Well, yes... anti-Elba people would have that as their first go-to.

A lot of people didn't like Craig to begin with either, because he was blonde.

[LowerWolf]

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I’d watch a Stringer Bell spy movie.

[daflyboys]

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Well, yes... anti-Elba people would have that as their first go-to.

A lot of people didn't like Craig to begin with either, because he was blonde.

Ok, which brings us back to ... say in 10 years, when it's time for Black Panther 5, and they cast a red-headed Irishman, how would that sit with you?

For me, swearing on my very White grandparents graves, I'd have the same reaction I have to a female Bond: The Black Panther is, in fact, Black. It's a cultural thing. It's a racial thing. It's an historic storyline thing. Hell, it's partly an emotional thing. I grew up with the Black Panther being introduced in the Marvel world and would have it no other way. Yup, I know we've had this conversation before.

[Blzer]

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Ok, which brings us back to ... say in 10 years, when it's time for Black Panther 5, and they cast a red-headed Irishman, how would that sit with you?

For me, swearing on my very White grandparents graves, I'd have the same reaction I have to a female Bond: The Black Panther is, in fact, Black. It's a cultural thing. It's a racial thing. It's an historic storyline thing. Hell, it's partly an emotional thing. I grew up with the Black Panther being introduced in the Marvel world and would have it no other way. Yup, I know we've had this conversation before.

Well, I wasn't familiar with the Black Panther character going into this Marvel Cinematic Universe, so if they started with that then you potentially could've fooled me.

With one exception, of course: the BP wearer is helmed by the king of Wakanda, who would be a native of Wakanda... and I don't know if there are any red-head who will be birthed from that community. Just sayin'.

So for me, yes, that would be weird. It doesn't fit with the story.

[Jr.]

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Ok, which brings us back to ... say in 10 years, when it's time for Black Panther 5, and they cast a red-headed Irishman, how would that sit with you?

For me, swearing on my very White grandparents graves, I'd have the same reaction I have to a female Bond: The Black Panther is, in fact, Black. It's a cultural thing. It's a racial thing. It's an historic storyline thing. Hell, it's partly an emotional thing. I grew up with the Black Panther being introduced in the Marvel world and would have it no other way. Yup, I know we've had this conversation before.

There also isn't a need to provide white actors with roles traditionally suited to minorities. There are plenty of roles for white people. Traditionally, that hasn't been the case for minorities.

So while I get your theoretical point, it doesn't mesh with what's going on with these castings

[SmashMan]

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Ok, which brings us back to ... say in 10 years, when it's time for Black Panther 5, and they cast a red-headed Irishman, how would that sit with you?

I agree with you that Black Panther is black, but I think these hypotheticals take away from your point because they're too out there. I think we're all better off discussing things that are just actually happening.

I'd have the same reaction I have to a female Bond

And again, just worth pointing out that if this story is correct, there is not going to be a female James Bond. Daniel Craig is still James Bond.

[Junior Moe]

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There have been some good points from everyone here. I appreciate the maturity a discussion like this can have here on OS without the turn nuanced topics usually take online.

To Bond, it's crazy how certain things from franchises take root. I'm 34. Goldeneye 007 for the 64 was a prerequisite for any sleepover we had back in the day. Pierce Brosnan is still "my 007". I remember when they brought Daniel Craig in and while I thought he did ok, he just wasn't Brosnan. I get it though, Pierce was getting older and they wanted a more physical Bond. None of the Craig movies stand out to me; I dont know if thats more of a function of my bias or just growing out of the whole spy genre. I remember the talk of Idris Elba playing Bond and I felt the same even though I know Pierce is way past too old for the role now. This new spin on the franchise change feels about the same to me. I just sat back and thought about and realized that "my 007" will never be a thing again. You could find a near clone of Brosnan now and it wouldn't be the same. I guess that's how Sean Connery fans have felt for a long time and I get it now.

I know things change and evolve. It has to, especially in the entertainment medium. The classics are still there for my enjoment, though. The 007 franchise has been off my radar since Casino Royal. This new has my ears up. Will I see it? Probably not.

[OSUFan_88]

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Ok, which brings us back to ... say in 10 years, when it's time for Black Panther 5, and they cast a red-headed Irishman, how would that sit with you?

For me, swearing on my very White grandparents graves, I'd have the same reaction I have to a female Bond: The Black Panther is, in fact, Black. It's a cultural thing. It's a racial thing. It's an historic storyline thing. Hell, it's partly an emotional thing. I grew up with the Black Panther being introduced in the Marvel world and would have it no other way. Yup, I know we've had this conversation before.

Unless there is a rather large, unknown population of white people in Wakanda that we do not know about, a white Black Panther would be actually stupid.

007 doesn't have to be James Bond. 007 is a code name. 007 can be literally any British Agent in that world. And of which, we have already seen female agents before, which if they reached 00 status, could very well become 007 if the codename needed to be filled.

I'm old enough to remember the "NICK FURY IS BLACK?!" outrage on here. Being outraged that 007 is a woman without seeing a second of the movie is pretty much the very definition of jumping the gun.

[ODogg]

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There also isn't a need to provide white actors with roles traditionally suited to minorities. There are plenty of roles for white people. Traditionally, that hasn't been the case for minorities.

So while I get your theoretical point, it doesn't mesh with what's going on with these castings

In the near future whites will be a minority. Then will it be ok to go back and redo Black Panther with a feisty redheaded Irish guy?

LoL, again the point is not so much race or sex but lazy remakes. And for whoever said the same folks saying it's not about race or sex but about remakes being disingenuous, again I point to Get Out! or Crazy Rich Asians as being minority led, celebrated movies that no one had issue with in regards to minorities leading the movie.

People who are fans of movie classics typically don't like to see them remade. But they really don't like to see them fundamentally changed from the source material that made them famous.

I saw someone posted about The Little Mermaid original story was that she got her legs cut off or something and it was horrific and the cartoon wasn't like that. Well that's missing the point, what made The Little Mermaid famous was the CARTOON.

But getting back to the race/sex versus remake issue. I am a huge fan of The Crow and I don't think a remake is a wise idea. I'd likely see it if they made one when it came to HBO or whatever but I think it's sort of silly to remake it.

However, I'd really be unhappy to see an elderly Jewish woman portrayed as the star of The Crow.

I know, that's probably kind of, sort of ridiculous to think right? But here's the thing, recasting classics for PC purposes often does look ridiculous, transparent and as a money grab by Hollywood to appeal to a certain progressive group of people.

So while it's a bit off putting to me they'd remake The Crow, it's even more offensive if they remade it with a radically different lead and/or story. Not because I hate elderly Jewish women but because The Crows story, as in the MOVIE (not the comics, I know the movie is based on the comics but the movie is what made it famous to me) is just a certain way and if you're going to remake it then at least attempt to honor the source material.

Now that's concerning remakes, if you're making a sequel or a prequel or something it's a little bit different and a little bit of leeway can be given in regards to what people who enjoy the original material will allow for without having issue with.

This is all just my opinion and no I don't get outraged over any of this but yes I do have an opinion here and I think many folks out there share it. Many will not speak up and say it because they, like me, will be accused of being racist, sexist or otherwise but it's really nothing about any of that.

I support Hollywood's attempts to diversify 100% and I think it's a valid cause. I think they should really work towards creating new IPs and new original movies like Get Out! and Crazy Rich Asians that entertain all of us with new, original stories.

I just do not, and will never, support Hollywood's attempts to go back and rewrite classic movies, tv shows, etc with minorities in an attempt to "get it right" because, in my view, it's just wrong on several levels, most notably, as I said, just plain lazy and pandering.

[TheShizNo1]

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I just do not, and will never, support Hollywood's attempts to go back and rewrite classic movies, tv shows, etc with minorities in an attempt to "get it right" because, in my view, it's just wrong on several levels, most notably, as I said, just plain lazy and pandering.

Hopefully I'm using the word irony correctly in terms of this post.

I feel like there's a huge point a lot of people miss and I think I said this during the MJ outrage in the first Spider-Man movie thread:

People, when were a lot of these movies/stories made? When people of color weren't even thought to be apart of these stories/movies in a non-stereotypical way. Well, the country evolved from that so why shouldn't these stories?

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