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  • fishepa
    I'm Ron F'n Swanson!
    • Feb 2003
    • 18989

    #436
    Re: Left 4 Dead

    I should (crosses fingers) be getting this today. I'm up for playing some tonight if anyone wants.

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    • Altimus
      Chelsea, Assemble!
      • Nov 2004
      • 27283

      #437
      Re: Left 4 Dead

      Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
      I was wondering where you were all weekend, I played both Saturday and Sunday.

      Gamefly is terrible, I would never use them again at how poor their service was for me. Just the worst.
      GameFly is great. Your local USPS sucks.

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      • Laettner32
        Banned
        • Jul 2002
        • 2873

        #438
        Re: Left 4 Dead

        Originally posted by Altimus
        GameFly is great. Your local USPS sucks.
        Probably your local mail service. I'm a mailman who delivers tons of Netflix, and several gameflys daily. Never had a complaint, and trust me when it comes to peoples movies and games...they will complain.

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        • Phobia
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          • Jan 2008
          • 11623

          #439
          Re: Left 4 Dead

          Walk through of Chapter 2 of the Mod Dead before Dawn

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          Last edited by Phobia; 12-10-2008, 12:57 PM.

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          • Phobia
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            • Jan 2008
            • 11623

            #440
            Re: Left 4 Dead

            The Moviemaking Process: Left 4 Dead's Intro Movie

            December 4, 2008 - Jason Mitchell




            <SCRIPT src="http://store.steampowered.com/public/javascript/javascript.js?v=902059069&l=english" type=text/javascript></SCRIPT>Because Left 4 Dead is a new property for us, we wanted to provide some basic player training prior to the start of the game. Traditional in-game training mechanics didn't make sense for Left 4 Dead, because they would take away from the sense that players had been immediately dropped into a very real, very dire zombie apocalypse. We didn't want a slow ramp-up in gameplay to take away from that tension. As a result, we decided that it would make sense to begin the game experience with a non-interactive introductory movie that could get players revved up and subtly cue them to important gameplay mechanics such as "light disturbs the witch" and "car alarms attract the horde."

            Starting a game with a movie was a new approach for us, but luckily we have built up some moviemaking expertise in the past few years with the Team Fortress 2 shorts. In this blog entry, we'd like to share with you some insight into the process that led to the intro movie that shipped with Left 4 Dead. To do this, we will show four different versions of the first half of the movie from various stages of production.

            In order to evaluate projects as we go along, our filmmaking team prototypes and tests our movies on external test audiences, just like the gameplay teams. We began making animatics in mid summer as we started fleshing out the story and pacing of the piece, bringing in external test audiences to view the movie and provide feedback.

            Animatics and Filmmaking

            If you're new to the world of filmmaking, it can be a bit disorienting to try and concentrate on the primary goals of an animatic because the animation is intentionally very basic, the rendering is often crude and the dialog frequently consists of placeholder lines recorded quickly by an artist or writer working on the piece. It is important to understand that the purpose of an animatic is to define the timing of the dialog, story beats, edits, camera angles etc in order to quickly flesh out a story that works in a broad sense. This way, we can try out different ideas and can make large improvements in story quality in a short period of time at low cost. In the early phases of development, we are not concentrating on animation, lighting or rendering quality.

            8 July 2008

            What you see below is the first half of the very first animatic we created for the Left 4 Dead intro movie back in early July.

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            As you can see, we were still using the old character models for Francis, Zoey and Bill. In fact, one of the reasons that the Survivor models were redesigned was that the original meshes did not hold up well under the demands of the facial animation that was required for both the game and the intro movie. Over the course of the next couple of weeks of refining the story, we found that the romantic tension between Zoey and Francis that you see in this version did not playtest well, as it proved to be a distraction from the gravity of the Survivors' desperate situation. As a result, this was dropped from subsequent versions. Later in the piece, when the hunter pounces on Louis, the timing of Louis's line and the hunter's pounce consistently came off as comedic, which was certainly not the intended effect.

            25 July 2008

            In this next version, completed two and a half weeks after the initial animatic, you can see that we had addressed some of the above concerns:

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            As you can see, with the exception of Zoey's head texture, we have the new character models integrated into the movie. The animation and editing is starting to tighten up, including many camera angles that would survive unchanged all the way to the final edit. Even some of the dramatic lighting is starting to be put in place.

            Despite this progress, there were still several areas that needed to be addressed. The infected saying "nyuh?" before the grenade exploded was distractingly humorous and was cut. The emotional beat between the grenade explosion and the arrival of the helicopter was breaking the otherwise quickening pace of the piece and so it was cut. Although this was painful because it removed an opportunity to further flesh out the characters, we felt it was the right move to cut this moment to keep the pace up.

            Additionally, the hunter pounce on Louis still played as comedic and needed more tension to be as horrific as intended. Through playtesting, we also found that the initial sections of the hunter sequence were lingering a bit too long, allowing viewers to wonder whether Louis would himself become infected. In later edits, this part of the intro would be edited more tightly and shot with more close-ups in order to remove any lulls in which the viewers would be tempted to ponder the fate of Louis themselves. You also notice that the hunter no longer gets away from the survivors but instead falls from the building and sets off the car alarm, providing a plausible cause for the Survivors setting off the alarm.

            4 September 2008

            The version below is from September 4th, just one month before we had to deliver the movie for the final XBox 360 disc. The music was starting to come together and body animation was nearing final quality on some shots.

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            As you can see, some basic facial animation was added to convey a sense of emotion, though most of the lip synch was still being put off until we had committed to final dialog.

            The hunter's pounce of Louis was made into a scary moment by building anticipation through the hunter point-of-view, culminating in the hunter's scream as he pounced. This moment no longer got laughs and was actually cited by some viewers as the scariest part of the piece, which reassured us that we had fixed this long-standing problem.

            You'll also notice that we had created an additional beat in Zoey's confrontation with the hunter as she ran out of ammunition and Louis had to shoot the hunter before it turned to attack Zoey. The subsequent fleeing of the hunter up the building and the fall down on to the car was eventually cut for a tighter one shot kill from Louis onto the back of an alarmed car.

            In subsequent versions, we cut Zoey's running out of ammunition, as this made her appear weak, which we wanted to avoid. As you'll see in the final version, her rapid-fire double pistol attack on the hunter is much stronger, which was more in line with the feeling we wanted to convey.

            Final Version - 4 October 2008

            Although the Left 4 Dead ship date wasn't until the 18th of November, we had to deliver the movie for the XBox 360 game disc on the 4th of October, including localized and lip-synched versions in five languages and a low-violence version for the German market. Below, you can see the complete movie that shipped with Left 4 Dead, or you can watch the High Definition 720p version on Steam.

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            Final Thoughts

            The four minute Left 4 Dead intro movie evolved from animatic to final product over the course of about 3 and a half months and we were extremely pleased with the result. We managed to meet our goals of subtly teaching players about important gameplay elements while building excitement in the lead-up to the rooftop starting point of the initial "No Mercy" campaign.

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            • Flawless
              Bang-bang! Down-down!
              • Mar 2004
              • 16780

              #441
              Re: Left 4 Dead

              Zero Punctuation Review

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              • Bornindamecca
                Books Nelson Simnation
                • Jul 2007
                • 10919

                #442
                Re: Left 4 Dead

                My friend sold me on this one last night. I'll probably grab before the weekend is out.
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                • Vast
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 4015

                  #443
                  Re: Left 4 Dead

                  Originally posted by Bornindamecca
                  My friend sold me on this one last night. I'll probably grab before the weekend is out.
                  That's what I call a good friend.
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                  • allBthere
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 5847

                    #444
                    Re: Left 4 Dead

                    Please Help:

                    Looking to play coop w/ 4 friends tonight in same house.

                    we have 2 360's and 2 l4d copies; can we have 4 player coop matches?

                    We will have one tv upstairs and another downstairs, both with wireless connections - the thing is both have gold accounts, but the other 2 profiles will be guests I'm thinking - So will it be possible for us to have all 4 or us going in the same game?
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                    • Phobia
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                      • Jan 2008
                      • 11623

                      #445
                      Re: Left 4 Dead

                      Originally posted by allBthere
                      Please Help:

                      Looking to play coop w/ 4 friends tonight in same house.

                      we have 2 360's and 2 l4d copies; can we have 4 player coop matches?

                      We will have one tv upstairs and another downstairs, both with wireless connections - the thing is both have gold accounts, but the other 2 profiles will be guests I'm thinking - So will it be possible for us to have all 4 or us going in the same game?
                      My honest GUESS would be no it is not possible with only 2 TVs, 2 360s and 2 copies of the game. I think then you are limited to 2 people playing at once. But I could be wrong B, I am not sure completely.

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                      • mgoblue
                        Go Wings!
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 25477

                        #446
                        Re: Left 4 Dead

                        Originally posted by Phobia
                        My honest GUESS would be no it is not possible with only 2 TVs, 2 360s and 2 copies of the game. I think then you are limited to 2 people playing at once. But I could be wrong B, I am not sure completely.
                        I'm not sure...just a guess...but on each 360 you can have a guest and a Gold member play online. Therefore, if you have a private room one gold/guest should be able to invite the other. Again, I'm not sure...
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                        • Solidice
                          Guns Up!
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 9931

                          #447
                          Re: Left 4 Dead

                          Originally posted by allBthere
                          Please Help:

                          Looking to play coop w/ 4 friends tonight in same house.

                          we have 2 360's and 2 l4d copies; can we have 4 player coop matches?

                          We will have one tv upstairs and another downstairs, both with wireless connections - the thing is both have gold accounts, but the other 2 profiles will be guests I'm thinking - So will it be possible for us to have all 4 or us going in the same game?
                          Originally posted by mgoblue
                          I'm not sure...just a guess...but on each 360 you can have a guest and a Gold member play online. Therefore, if you have a private room one gold/guest should be able to invite the other. Again, I'm not sure...
                          that's how you would do it. for the guess to sign in, at the main menu, have the 2nd player hit start, then he/she should be able to pick either another gold account or sign-in as a guest of player 1's gold account. the problem is that the guess can not use voice chat.
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                          • Pappy Knuckles
                            LORDTHUNDERBIRD
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 15966

                            #448
                            Re: Left 4 Dead

                            This game actually has replay value? I need to finish up some games so this can get shipped to me.

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                            • allBthere
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 5847

                              #449
                              Re: Left 4 Dead

                              Originally posted by Solidice
                              that's how you would do it. for the guess to sign in, at the main menu, have the 2nd player hit start, then he/she should be able to pick either another gold account or sign-in as a guest of player 1's gold account. the problem is that the guess can not use voice chat.
                              So it's really, 2X2 player coop with the two parties being connected over live - that's not local, but it's doable for us since we'll have wireless connection available.

                              The no voice isn't a problem since we will be able to hear each other manually in this case.

                              My only concern is having a guest on live - I didn't think you could do that, I thought every single player on live must have a gold account - because in this scenario, we could be playing any competative multiplayer game w/ guest gamertag's and I didn't think you could do that.

                              they made this very confusing - and for this game it really should have shipped with 4 player split-screen especially since 4 player coop is the WHOLE premise to the game.
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                              • Solidice
                                Guns Up!
                                • Jul 2006
                                • 9931

                                #450
                                Re: Left 4 Dead

                                Originally posted by allBthere
                                So it's really, 2X2 player coop with the two parties being connected over live - that's not local, but it's doable for us since we'll have wireless connection available.

                                The no voice isn't a problem since we will be able to hear each other manually in this case.

                                My only concern is having a guest on live - I didn't think you could do that, I thought every single player on live must have a gold account - because in this scenario, we could be playing any competative multiplayer game w/ guest gamertag's and I didn't think you could do that.

                                they made this very confusing - and for this game it really should have shipped with 4 player split-screen especially since 4 player coop is the WHOLE premise to the game.
                                guest accounts depend on the game. Halo 3 allows guest accounts(up to 3 guest on 1 gold account even) for social match making(unranked) and custom games.

                                in this game you can have 1 guest per gold account, and guest can play in versus mode. I don't remember an option to create a system link game though. kind of strange too.
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