Duke Nukem Forever

[Hooe]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

Yes, because all the signs had pointed to them really trying to develop the series further. Did you even see any of the media that was released for this version of the game? It was the same Duke nonsense once again.

Just because a team is continuously restarting a game and presenting folks with vaporware, it doesn't mean they are necessarily trying to create a whole new experience.

I'd like to think that, given the interaction that I have read and sometimes been a part of throughout the twelve years of the DNF dev cycle(s) between the developers and fans on the 3D Realms message boards (specifically, George Broussard and Joe Siegler have regularly interacted with the community) that there was plenty that hasn't been shown yet. Certainly plenty of ideas got talked about as being worked on. Unfortunately, the signs of us finding out either way whether anything that would amount to an innovative and fun game got implemented are slim at this point for obvious reasons.

To answer your question more directly, yes I've seen the released media (I was the first to post a link to the leaked video on this forum, in fact), and as a fan of the Duke Nukem series I liked what I saw and, should this game have a future, I'd like to see more. Was it anything too groundbreaking? Not really, though to me it didn't need to be; it just needed to look like a game set in the Duke Nukem universe that I would want to play, and it was exactly that.

Finally, regarding your comments of Duke Nukem being "dumb", "cliche", "nonsense", etc., and forgive me in advance if I come off too strong: if you don't like the Duke Nukem series and character, that's fine, I respect your opinion. However, you don't need to play the holier-than-thou card over anyone who might want to play the game should it ever materialize in commercial form. As a fan of the series since its inception, I know exactly what a Duke Nukem game is supposed to entail, and in fact that is the reason I have in the past enjoyed them, and one of the main reasons I've been holding out hope for DNF as long as I have. It doesn't matter to me whether Duke Nukem is a groundbreaking character by today's standards, because he most certainly isn't; that doesn't mean he's not a fun character to play as in a video game, however.

Depending on how the rest of this story plays out, it may ultimately not matter anyway what either of us, or anyone else for that matter, thinks of the game.

[ChaseB]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

The only thing that bothers me about what you said is that before you said the game couldn't rest on its laurels, but then in your most recent post you said that it would be just fine if the game didn't do anything that new.

Beyond that, it's not about being holier-than-thou, it's more that Duke Nukem wouldn't have the same impact on the industry as it did before by simply having pig cops, some cursing and some weird guns. It's a character that played on the times he was created in, but it's not the same generation anymore.

It's not something that translates to this generation as well as many other old franchises that make returns after long lapses.

More or less, it's a no-win situation for the franchise either way.

[Pared]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

I can speak for anyone else but myself, but why are you holding this game to the expectations that it must be groundbreaking?

People (including myself) are interested in the series because of the character/story/plot/charm. What's the problem in wanting to simply enjoy more of the same?

How is it different than any other sequel out there where people have an idea what they are expecting... but they just want it to be... "better?"

[ChaseB]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

I can speak for anyone else but myself, but why are you holding this game to the expectations that it must be groundbreaking?

People (including myself) are interested in the series because of the character/story/plot/charm. What's the problem in wanting to simply enjoy more of the same?

How is it different than any other sequel out there where people have an idea what they are expecting... but they just want it to be... "better?"

I didn't say it needed to be groundbreaking, the poster before seemed to change his mind about what the game needed to be is all. I just brought it up because it confused me.

But wanting more of the same after 10+ years is king of a weird thing to want. If you went back and played those games now, it would be a little peculiar if all you wanted was an update to that same model. For example, I wouldn't just want an update to the original Doom after all these years because I wouldn't want to spend more than $5 or $10 on something like that since it is an outdated model that no longer fits the times -- at least for the most part.

I do realize, though, that this is coming from someone who didn't really like Duke Nukem all that much many years ago so it's not like I'm going to make actual fans believe in my take on this topic. However, I think your expectations are out of whack if all you want from a franchise after 10+ years is more of the same.

[Pared]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

It's no different than any other series people enjoy. They just want progression with the technology available to them today.

DN3D came out it '96. If DNF was released this year, it would be 13 years after the original.

Super Mario Bros. was released in 1985, with Super Mario 64 being released 11 years later.

SM64 took what was so popular in much of the series and expanded on it, given the tech. that was available in the mid 90's. People didn't need an entire retelling of the the Super Mario Saga; they just wanted Mario in 3D, which was all the rage at the time.

Give me Duke with ridiculous graphics, some smart gameplay/game scenarios and the same over the top Duke character and fans will come back. I can name a bunch of series where people are always asking for more of the same. FFVII comes to mind instantly...

They just want that same charm and nostalgia from the game they played in the past fused with today's tech and a further depiction of the character they enjoy. I think the most important thing here is that you didn't enjoy the character 10 years ago...

[Hooe]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

And now the plot thickens:

3D Realms Release – Pertaining to Recent Events Surrounding Duke Nukem Forever

Dallas, TX (May 18, 2009) – In light of recent press articles and statements by Take-Two (to the media and in a lawsuit), we want to set the record straight on some issues.

Despite rumors and statements to the contrary, 3D Realms (3DR) has not closed and is not closing. 3DR retains ownership of the Duke Nukem franchise. Due to lack of funding, however, we are saddened to confirm that we let the Duke Nukem Forever (DNF) development team go on May 6th, while we regroup as a company. While 3DR is a much smaller studio now, we will continue to operate as a company and continue to license and co-create games based upon the Duke Nukem franchise.

As some of you may know, Take-Two filed a lawsuit last week containing various accusations and claims against 3DR and the uncompleted DNF game. Take-Two never paid 3DR advances or any signing bonus or any other funds related to DNF, up until July 2008, at which time they paid $2.5m in connection with another agreement for an unannounced game. This is the sum total Take-Two has paid 3DR in connection with DNF. Take-Two claims that they paid $12m to GT Interactive/Infogrames to acquire the publishing rights for the DNF game. To be clear, 3DR was not a party to that transaction and did not receive any money from it. When the DNF game was originally signed with GT Interactive in 1998, GT paid 3DR a $400,000 signing bonus. Up until July 2008, this was the only publisher money we received for the DNF game. Meanwhile, 3DR put over $20m into the production of DNF.

Take-Two retains publishing rights for the DNF game, although 3DR retains certain rights to sell the game directly to the public. Late last year, 3DR began negotiations with Take-Two to provide funding to complete the DNF game. In the meantime, 3DR was hitting mutually-agreed milestones, despite not having a new agreement finalized. Take-Two was well aware that 3DR needed the funding to continue the DNF game development. Suddenly, after months of negotiations, Take-Two materially changed the parameters of the proposed funding agreement. 3DR informed Take-Two that it could not financially afford the changes Take-Two was suggesting and would be forced to release the team if an agreement was not reached. Take-Two made a last minute proposal to acquire the Duke Nukem franchise and the 3DR development team. Take-Two's proposal was unacceptable to 3DR for many reasons, including no upfront money, no guarantee minimum payment, and no guarantee to complete the DNF game. From 3DR's perspective, we viewed Take-Two as trying to acquire the Duke Nukem franchise in a "fire sale." Those negotiations fell through on May 4th, a deal never materialized, and the DNF team was sadly released a few days later.

Less than a week after the DNF team was released, Take-Two filed its lawsuit in New York, seeking immediate temporary injunctive relief. The court denied Take-Two's request for a temporary restraining order. While we cannot comment on the details of the ongoing lawsuit, we believe Take-Two's lawsuit is without merit and merely a bully tactic to obtain ownership of the Duke Nukem franchise. We will vigorously defend ourselves against this publisher.

Link to Kotaku

[Pared]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

Why are these sort of statements being made to the public...?

[luv_mist]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

For supportive reasons. Just for the fans most likely.

[goh]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

First review!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...-Nukem-Forever

[luv_mist]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

First review!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...-Nukem-Forever

LOL!! Clearly the funniest review thatwill come out for this game EVER!!

[ChaseB]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

First review!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...-Nukem-Forever

Yahtzee is always clutch in situations like this.

[Hooe]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

First review!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...-Nukem-Forever

This is amazing.

[luv_mist]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

http://steamunpowered.eu/valve-to-release-duke-nukem-forever/

With a grain.......

[Whitesox]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

Here we go...again...

[bonbonan]

Re: Duke Nukem Forever teaser video tomorrow

http://steamunpowered.eu/valve-to-re...nukem-forever/

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