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  • Blzer
    Resident film pundit
    • Mar 2004
    • 42526

    #511
    Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

    Originally posted by mgoblue
    Yeah, I know....I'm buying it no matter what, just saying what I'm noticing...The graphics in the trailer were kinda detracting...I think I actually laughed at some dancing woman that looked horrible.

    We rape EA for their sports games (Stadiums, all the players, field, blades of grass, sock color) but it's OK for Rockstar to hang on their laurels and not improve? I understand your points, but just saying that as graphics keep getting better and better it could hurt them. Plus those are cutscenes, right? Not even in game? I just hope the in game isn't a whole lot worse.

    I guess I'm not as forgiving. I'm not a total graphics whore, but when a team has like 4 years to create a game I expect more than what a lot of teams do in 2.
    Oh, definitely. My only disappointment was they didn't look much like the first trailer's appearances. I think it's because... actually, I don't know why.

    IMO I think it's just because they have already filled up their disc. Again, there's already so much stuff on the screen that I doubt they can do much more in terms of visuals (at least until next installment). I do agree to an extent, especially if framerate is poor. But I am still very happy that at least we'll have an HD GTA game, you know?
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    • bkfount
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      • Oct 2004
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      #512
      Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

      Originally posted by mgoblue
      We rape EA for their sports games (Stadiums, all the players, field, blades of grass, sock color) but it's OK for Rockstar to hang on their laurels and not improve?
      EA makes sports games, which really do look virtually the same year after year. Madden 08 only looks slightly different than Madden 06, even though they've had years to improve on it. I know people wanted this game to look like the table tennis characters, but this GTA is an obvious and noticeable step up from their previous efforts, and tops any of the notable GTA clones out now for next gen.

      I was one of the ones disappointed in APF2k8's graphics, as they were very much xbox like when playing the game. I've yet to see this game in action, so I'll hold off. From the trailer though, there's still no living city GTA style game on next gen that looks better than this.

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      • mgoblue
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        • Jul 2002
        • 25477

        #513
        Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

        Originally posted by Blzer
        Oh, definitely. My only disappointment was they didn't look much like the first trailer's appearances. I think it's because... actually, I don't know why.

        IMO I think it's just because they have already filled up their disc. Again, there's already so much stuff on the screen that I doubt they can do much more in terms of visuals (at least until next installment). I do agree to an extent, especially if framerate is poor. But I am still very happy that at least we'll have an HD GTA game, you know?
        I'll love playing a HD GTA game on my widescreen HDTV, can't wait! I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer, more just pointing out what I noticed from their trailer. They're releasing barely any info, so it's all we have to go by.

        Originally posted by bkfount
        EA makes sports games, which really do look virtually the same year after year. Madden 08 only looks slightly different than Madden 06, even though they've had years to improve on it. I know people wanted this game to look like the table tennis characters, but this GTA is an obvious and noticeable step up from their previous efforts, and tops any of the notable GTA clones out now for next gen.

        I was one of the ones disappointed in APF2k8's graphics, as they were very much xbox like when playing the game. I've yet to see this game in action, so I'll hold off. From the trailer though, there's still no living city GTA style game on next gen that looks better than this.
        GTA San Andreas was released in 2004, so they'll have had 4 years. I'd say that Madden and NCAA look quite a bit different than their 2005 editions. From Xbox to 360 was a good change. Plus those games have to release each year, so that limits development. They've only had 1 real big graphics change, they sadly can't re-do it every release.

        We haven't seen GTA in game, usually cutscenes of games look better than in game, so I'll hold off on that until they give us in game.

        I dunno, I guess I just have high expectations from such a good company when they give them 4 years to develop. I'm kinda worried they won't introduce very much "new" stuff, and it'll just be a slightly prettier GTA-SA with a bigger city and helicopters. I'm of the mindset that R* needs to do something, otherwise GTA just becomes stale. GTA 3 was groundbreaking back in the day, now everyone can do similar to that.

        Like I said, I'll buy it and really enjoy it, I'm personally just not feeling the hype/excitement like past versions.
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        • bkfount
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          • Oct 2004
          • 8467

          #514
          Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

          Originally posted by mgoblue

          GTA San Andreas was released in 2004, so they'll have had 4 years. I'd say that Madden and NCAA look quite a bit different than their 2005 editions. From Xbox to 360 was a good change. Plus those games have to release each year, so that limits development. They've only had 1 real big graphics change, they sadly can't re-do it every release.

          We haven't seen GTA in game, usually cutscenes of games look better than in game, so I'll hold off on that until they give us in game.

          I dunno, I guess I just have high expectations from such a good company when they give them 4 years to develop. I'm kinda worried they won't introduce very much "new" stuff, and it'll just be a slightly prettier GTA-SA with a bigger city and helicopters. I'm of the mindset that R* needs to do something, otherwise GTA just becomes stale. GTA 3 was groundbreaking back in the day, now everyone can do similar to that.

          Like I said, I'll buy it and really enjoy it, I'm personally just not feeling the hype/excitement like past versions.
          so madden from xbox to 360 was nice, but san andreas (a ps2 game) to this isn't? you have expectations from Rockstar, but not EA? This looks good, and from a series that never pushed the graphics, it's better than they normally do.

          GTA is a brand, and they will only change so much. That's like saying coca cola should change their formula because rite-aid puts out a generic cola the same color. GTA will be GTA, it will sell better than anything EA puts out, regardless of how much they put into it. I can't wait to see some in game action, but GTA has always used the in game engine for cutscenes, unlike some other games.

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          • born_bad
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            • Jan 2005
            • 1130

            #515
            Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

            GTA graphics have always been underwhelming. It is a little disappointing to see that the character models look and animate like Dreamcast models (think Shenmue quality). I did like the environments. Those definitely look a lot nicer than previous GTAs. Still, since the characters are the focus, I was definitely hoping they'd be of better quality.

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            • Blzer
              Resident film pundit
              • Mar 2004
              • 42526

              #516
              Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

              One thing for sure, though... physics will be a lot better. Remember they are using Euphoria.
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              • bkfount
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                • Oct 2004
                • 8467

                #517
                Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

                Originally posted by Blzer
                One thing for sure, though... physics will be a lot better. Remember they are using Euphoria.
                the explosion in the video looked nice.

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                • ThaGenecyst
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                  • Sep 2004
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                  #518
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                  • SageInfinite
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 11896

                    #519
                    Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

                    Damn those graphics are sick. GTA never had amazing graphics but you gotta remember the scale of this game, and for the scale of GTA games these graphics are a BIG improvement. I see what some of you guys mean with the way the character models look especially with the chic dancing,lol, but still this game is huge and will be amazing IMO as most GTA games have been the past couple of years. Look @ the big picture.
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                    • highpressure
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                      • Aug 2002
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                      #520
                      Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

                      Originally posted by SageTheInfinite
                      Damn those graphics are sick. GTA never had amazing graphics but you gotta remember the scale of this game, and for the scale of GTA games these graphics are a BIG improvement. I see what some of you guys mean with the way the character models look especially with the chic dancing,lol, but still this game is huge and will be amazing IMO as most GTA games have been the past couple of years. Look @ the big picture.
                      Couldn't agree more. I'm really looking forward to this game. I know I will be buried in it for quite some time when it's released.
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                      • mgoblue
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 25477

                        #521
                        Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

                        Originally posted by bkfount
                        so madden from xbox to 360 was nice, but san andreas (a ps2 game) to this isn't? you have expectations from Rockstar, but not EA? This looks good, and from a series that never pushed the graphics, it's better than they normally do.

                        GTA is a brand, and they will only change so much. That's like saying coca cola should change their formula because rite-aid puts out a generic cola the same color. GTA will be GTA, it will sell better than anything EA puts out, regardless of how much they put into it. I can't wait to see some in game action, but GTA has always used the in game engine for cutscenes, unlike some other games.
                        The environments look great, I guess I just expected more from the characters than making me laugh. When I'm laughing at things I should be taking seriously it's not necessarily good.

                        I don't want them to completely change, they just need to keep the franchise evolving. Gaming isn't the soda pop industry. Coke can sell that formula until they die. We're not still playing pong. I just don't want Rockstar to ever get complacent. I love the GTA games, just want them to keep pushing the limits and giving me new stuff (as gaming companies should, IMO).

                        Originally posted by born_bad
                        GTA graphics have always been underwhelming. It is a little disappointing to see that the character models look and animate like Dreamcast models (think Shenmue quality). I did like the environments. Those definitely look a lot nicer than previous GTAs. Still, since the characters are the focus, I was definitely hoping they'd be of better quality.
                        The environments are a massive upgrade. I'm just not feeling the people. The game will be fun and everything. Rockstar isn't giving us much to go on, so if something they DO give me looks crappy I'll call them on it. That dancing chick was abysmal, I'm sorry. How they let that in a trailer is beyond me.

                        Originally posted by SageTheInfinite
                        Damn those graphics are sick. GTA never had amazing graphics but you gotta remember the scale of this game, and for the scale of GTA games these graphics are a BIG improvement. I see what some of you guys mean with the way the character models look especially with the chic dancing,lol, but still this game is huge and will be amazing IMO as most GTA games have been the past couple of years. Look @ the big picture.
                        Yeah...and let me reiterate: I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO AND WILL BUY THE GAME NO MATTER WHAT! Just the chic dancing made me laugh at something I shouldn't be laughing at.

                        *edit*
                        I watched the video again and a lot of the characters are OK, GTA level graphics. I don't know why that one chic and some others are so bad. I think they just didn't make the trailer the best, and the game won't be horrible. I'm gonna blame it on the trailer people, cause the main guys look pretty good.

                        I saw the "commentary" video Flawless posted about the trailer, and that statue at the beginning was pretty blocky like they said. I don't know why some environment stuff (ship, train, etc) look amazingly awesome, and some stuff looks old and crappy, you know?
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                        • SageInfinite
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 11896

                          #522
                          Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

                          Originally posted by mgoblue
                          The environments look great, I guess I just expected more from the characters than making me laugh. When I'm laughing at things I should be taking seriously it's not necessarily good.

                          I don't want them to completely change, they just need to keep the franchise evolving. Gaming isn't the soda pop industry. Coke can sell that formula until they die. We're not still playing pong. I just don't want Rockstar to ever get complacent. I love the GTA games, just want them to keep pushing the limits and giving me new stuff (as gaming companies should, IMO).



                          The environments are a massive upgrade. I'm just not feeling the people. The game will be fun and everything. Rockstar isn't giving us much to go on, so if something they DO give me looks crappy I'll call them on it. That dancing chick was abysmal, I'm sorry. How they let that in a trailer is beyond me.



                          Yeah...and let me reiterate: I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO AND WILL BUY THE GAME NO MATTER WHAT! Just the chic dancing made me laugh at something I shouldn't be laughing at.

                          *edit*
                          I watched the video again and a lot of the characters are OK, GTA level graphics. I don't know why that one chic and some others are so bad. I think they just didn't make the trailer the best, and the game won't be horrible. I'm gonna blame it on the trailer people, cause the main guys look pretty good.

                          I saw the "commentary" video Flawless posted about the trailer, and that statue at the beginning was pretty blocky like they said. I don't know why some environment stuff (ship, train, etc) look amazingly awesome, and some stuff looks old and crappy, you know?
                          Yea it does seem mixed. Maybe different builds? Who knows. This is definitely a step up and I think this game will be amazing. I really enjoyed Saints Row, it was a pretty good game, and the step up in graphics in this type of game definitely helped. I cant wait to see what GTA has in store for us. I agree tho quality does seem to shift in some scenes. Only thing I can think of is different builds. Maybe the the bad looking scenes are from the PS3 version J/K!! I kid I kid.
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                          • mgoblue
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                            • Jul 2002
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                            #523
                            Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

                            Originally posted by SageTheInfinite
                            Yea it does seem mixed. Maybe different builds? Who knows. This is definitely a step up and I think this game will be amazing. I really enjoyed Saints Row, it was a pretty good game, and the step up in graphics in this type of game definitely helped. I cant wait to see what GTA has in store for us. I agree tho quality does seem to shift in some scenes. Only thing I can think of is different builds. Maybe the the bad looking scenes are from the PS3 version J/K!! I kid I kid.
                            LOL oh, don't get the forums started there!

                            More I see it the train stuff and other things look amazing....just weird that some are underwhelming, given that R* knows this is all they're giving us for a while. Weird that someone there didn't go "hey, that looks crappy" and give us something a little different not open to this complaint.
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                              • Candyman5
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                                Re: Let's talk about... Grand Theft Auto 4

                                Wow a GTA char. wearing a helmet.....
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