Overwatch

[choadler]

Re: Overwatch

I feel like learning 21 heroes is a large part of what will be me bringing back. The play styles for these guys are all so radically different. So far I use Reaper and Lucio and both of them are insanely fun. I need to get better at more of them so I feel comfortable switching on the fly.

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[KSUowls]

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Hero variety is fun just from an entertainment standpoint, but I think switching on the fly is going to be an important part of the game at higher levels. Right now everyone is just thrown together so a lot of team combinations work as long as you outclass your opponent in skill. Later on though I'm sure teams will have to be formed with some forethought, people will need to develop counters on the fly.

I'm pretty comfortable with at least 2 heroes from each class, and I have found that to be very helpful when I need to counter something the other team is doing.

[Flawless]

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Bastion - (Turret) - Yes he's a little OP. His turret does a lot of damage, magazine size is huge, and there isn't really any accuracy penalty for shooting at range. By himself he can wreck pub groups and people who don't know what they are doing. He has a number of counters. His value really shines when he is supported by a Reinhart which nullifies most of Bastion's easy counters. I think he needs one of 3 things to happen. A.) a cool down for his turret mode so he can't just constantly reposition without punishment. B.) Increased reload time on his turret, this would allow a small window of opportunity to get in close. C.) reduce accuracy at long range so that it's more of a spray effect than a sniper.

I think Bastion being able to turn 360 degrees is maybe a bit much, especially on PC with much faster turn speed. Any nerfs are tricky though. It's a pub stomper, and as such, this will always bring some amount of frustration when solo-queuing.

Zenyatta - (Heal/Debuff) - He's a glass cannon, who can heal, and can debuff enemies. An all around solid support character as his heal is pretty effective on a single target. His ult is a game changer if your group is in a sticky situation. His true utility though I think is in his debuffing ability. He can make an opponent take increased damage. This makes him pretty effective 1v1, and very effective in a group setting.

To much of a glass cannon to me. I don't think it's fair that Widowmaker can kill him with a body shot with a fully charged sniper shot. The only other character she can do this to is Tracer, but Tracer is on the other end of the spectrum in terms of mobility.

[sportsdude]

Re: Overwatch

You guys complaining about Bastion being OP make me chuckle. I've had beta access since January, and Bastion's already been nerfed heavily. Did you know that when he was in Configuration: Sentry (re: turret) mode that he used to gain armor? Did you know that before he was given armor, Bastion actually had a shield when in Configuration: Sentry? Or that his ultimate used to last two more seconds? Or that he could regen health faster through his self-repair ability?

I get it - Bastion is a pain in the butt to deal with. You want to own Bastion, here's how:

-Play as Genji. Genji's deflect ability annihilates all Bastions that fire into it. And most will because they think they can just fire through it. I believe Genji to be the top counter to Bastion right now.
-Play as Pharah. You can shoot rockets at Bastion faster than he can self-repair. And he is in a corner your splash damage can hit his core, which kills him even faster.
-Play as Junkrat. The offensive Junkrat is underrated, IMO. Especially in tighter maps, like Volskaya Industries, Junkrat will make quick work of a Bastion.
-Play as Tracer. Your ult insta-kills him, and your recall will heal back any damage you took in getting close enough to ult.
-Play as Reinhardt. A charge will kill a full health Bastion. You just need to be relatively close enough so that you don't die during the charge. You have enough health to sustain a lot of damage so you don't necessarily need to be next to him to do this. The bonus is that Bastion is usually stationary, so it doesn't take much skill to land this charge.
-Play as Mei. Up close you can freeze him before he kills you. From distance, Mei's icicle will kill Bastion faster than he self-repair.
-Play as Roadhog. A hook-shotgun combo will one-shot a Bastion. The hook also takes Bastion out of sentry mode.
-Coordinate your attack. Shoot from behind Reinhardt's shield, attack from different angles, force Bastion to constantly self-repair so he can't just fire all the time. Bastion is super effective when you're grouped up, but his fire is so focused he'll have a hard time hitting everybody when you spread out.

[KSUowls]

Re: Overwatch

Yeah I've heard he's been nerfed a number of times. As you stated Bastion had a shield and he was nerfed to have armor instead. By the above logic he's been nerfed so we're good right? But then there was a second nerf to remove the armor. Simply because something has been nerfed does not mean it's balanced.

Bastion is annoying because he's a pug stomper, and many people don't know how to deal with him. That in itself doesn't mean he's OP. All of the above counters are effective against a loan Bastion. The problem with all of the arguments that he can be countered is that they only rely on Bastion being solo. A good bastion in a good team is not going to be solo and rooted to one spot making the counters for him pretty minimal while he enjoys extremely high DPS, large magazine clips, and no apparent accuracy penalty at long range.

I still don't think he's as ridiculously OP as talked about in the main Overwatch forums, but I do think there is something to the complaints.

To much of a glass cannon to me. I don't think it's fair that Widowmaker can kill him with a body shot with a fully charged sniper shot. The only other character she can do this to is Tracer, but Tracer is on the other end of the spectrum in terms of mobility.

I do think Widowmaker's body shots are a bit strong. Especially given that her sniper charge is done in about a second. That being said Zenyatta shouldn't be poking his head out in the open to get sniped either.

[The JareBear]

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Yeah I've heard he's been nerfed a number of times. As you stated Bastion had a shield and he was nerfed to have armor instead. By the above logic he's been nerfed so we're good right? But then there was a second nerf to remove the armor. Simply because something has been nerfed does not mean it's balanced.

Bastion is annoying because he's a pub stomper, and many people don't know how to deal with him. That in itself doesn't mean he's OP. All of the above counters are effective against a loan Bastion. The problem with all of the arguments that he can be countered is that they only rely on Bastion being solo. A good bastion in a good team is not going to be solo and rooted to one spot making the counters for him pretty minimal while he enjoys extremely high DPS, large magazine clips, and no apparent accuracy penalty at long range.

I still don't think he's as ridiculously OP as talked about in the main Overwatch forums, but I do think there is something to the complaints.



I do think Widowmaker's body shots are a bit strong. Especially given that her sniper charge is done in about a second. That being said Zenyatta shouldn't be poking his head out in the open to get sniped either.

agreed on all counts

[DocHolliday]

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The problem with Bastion is the game turns into "how can we deal with Bastion?"

No one else requires the focus and it makes him more annoying than anything.


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[kingkilla56]

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Where are people getting "lack of game modes"? It seem like the normal modes for this.

Another thing, they could offer a base game at $20 with 3 characters and charge for skins and heroes like LOL does or some thing. You'd be spending more than $60 easy.

20 dollars for 3 characters would be very funny to see.

[MarvellousOne]

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This is a fun game. I did enjoy the beta, but sadly I don't think I will be purchasing this one. It just doesn't have enough content that warrants dropping $60 into the game. But overall it was a very nicely designed game and it is loads of fun.

[KSUowls]

Re: Overwatch

This game seriously cut I to my sleep over the past week lol. I haven't been this addicted to a game in a long time.

Ended with about 140 matches played. Win rate close to 60% overall. I like how it breaks down your stats by character. And just a lot of fun. Stayed up past 2am playing last night with some friends. We did a match with 5 roadhog and a mercy that the other team couldn't figure out how to deal with. Then we did another one with 5 reapers and a mercy where we killed them early and they figured out how to counter. We actually had a really good group going for a while. We would kind of mess around with things like that in early in the game or through the entire first 2 rounds, then when the other team got really close to winning we would switch up to a better team composition and hold the line.

I saw a thread in the official forums complaining about ults being the plays of the game. .Wish that guy could have seen me hit q with phara and kill 5 people as the opposing team was seconds away from delivering the payload. I don't care that it didn't take any skill, it was fun to see.

[choadler]

Re: Overwatch

Ultimates are not press and win. It does take situational awareness on when to use it. Take reaper as an example.
His death blossom is extremely powerful but you better use it up close and when people don't see you coming because they will kill you fairly quickly.

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[ESPNdeportes]

Re: Overwatch

As far as Bastion goes, I don't think he is actually OP, but I do get sick of the fact he is on 85-90% of all teams I play on or against at all times.

I'm hoping that % will drop once the game releases and it weeds out the people who just wanted to play the beta.

Overall, I loved the beta, and will gladly pay $60 for this on PS4. I'll likely get hundreds of hours out of the game.

[KSUowls]

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Ultimates are not press and win. It does take situational awareness on when to use it. Take reaper as an example.
His death blossom is extremely powerful but you better use it up close and when people don't see you coming because they will kill you fairly quickly.

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Oh I agree. Saying it requires no skill was complete hyperbole. It's an important game mechanic that you have to understand how to use, when to use, and use correctly.

[sbauer318]

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I had the worst luck with my death blossom last night. Someone would either put up an ice wall immediately or I'd be smacked across the map so that I ended up alone.

[The JareBear]

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Messing with people using Mei's ice wall is awesome