Overwatch

[redsox4evur]

Re: Overwatch

Was playing competitive earlier. And I forget where we playing but we were going to defend and I chose Hanzo. Guy sends me a message saying switch off Hanzo. I just ignore it. Game starts he sends another one that says Wow Ok. I'm playing alright until my first death, think a 7 player kill streak. Then I hit a rough patch of doing some damage but no kills. Then this guy sends me another message saying switch off you're not helping the team (yet I had a decent kill streak and was doing damage just couldn't finish people off). Then he sent me a 4th message that I just ignore. All the while I'm thinking to myself guy seriously shut the hell up I'll play whoever I want.


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[KSUowls]

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Yeah 7 player kill streak is pretty solid. However, spitting out damage without confirmed kills is "trash damage" that does more to help the enemy (charges healer ults). But yeah there are a lot of toxic people in this game. The only time I ask people to change is in competitive and even then only when our team isn't doing good. Sometimes an odd pick to start a match can work so no reason to get upset over an odd hero pick at the beginning.

This current tank Ana meta is sooo boring to me.

Same 6-9 Heros every damn game. Dps are useless with the God heals from Ana. So many characters you just never see anymore. It's pretty sad.

And what's worse is, blizzard will see complaints about this and think to themselves "let's buff Dva again!"

Unfortunately this is a problem that isn't going away even when they fix the tank meta. The hero roster just isn't large enough to support team diversity, especially when you look at roster of heroes who perform necessary team functions. Whether it's tank or the old 2-2-2, only a handful of characters are A.) well rounded & B.) serve vital team roles. Too many characters right now perform niche roles that you're often better off with just using one of the standard 9-10 good heroes that are more all around good anyway.

We need a massive expansion in the current roster before we'll start seeing some real variety.

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Was playing competitive earlier. And I forget where we playing but we were going to defend and I chose Hanzo. Guy sends me a message saying switch off Hanzo. I just ignore it. Game starts he sends another one that says Wow Ok. I'm playing alright until my first death, think a 7 player kill streak. Then I hit a rough patch of doing some damage but no kills. Then this guy sends me another message saying switch off you're not helping the team (yet I had a decent kill streak and was doing damage just couldn't finish people off). Then he sent me a 4th message that I just ignore. All the while I'm thinking to myself guy seriously shut the hell up I'll play whoever I want.


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I don't really blame him, play Hanzo in quick play - unless you're seagull you're just charging the other team and not helping your team in competitive setting. Where you're playing is also important because there's only one or two maps on defense i can really think of where Hanzo may have a chance as viable..

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[Speedy]

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This current tank Ana meta is sooo boring to me.

Same 6-9 Heros every damn game. Dps are useless with the God heals from Ana. So many characters you just never see anymore. It's pretty sad.

And what's worse is, blizzard will see complaints about this and think to themselves "let's buff Dva again!"

It always seems like the other team gets SuperAna! while my team gets granny Ana.

[Tsuki]

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Was playing competitive earlier. And I forget where we playing but we were going to defend and I chose Hanzo. Guy sends me a message saying switch off Hanzo. I just ignore it. Game starts he sends another one that says Wow Ok. I'm playing alright until my first death, think a 7 player kill streak. Then I hit a rough patch of doing some damage but no kills. Then this guy sends me another message saying switch off you're not helping the team (yet I had a decent kill streak and was doing damage just couldn't finish people off). Then he sent me a 4th message that I just ignore. All the while I'm thinking to myself guy seriously shut the hell up I'll play whoever I want.


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Let me be the one guy to be optimistic about this for you bro;

-People asking you to switch in the manner in which they did is toxic, its a bit of a running meme on console that people who use hanzo/widow dont have good enough aim to be effective in match.

-This game's freedom of choice is the reason why most of us play so yes EVEN IN COMPETITIVE people should pick whoever they want as long as they know how to play the hero's role correctly. The only time i request a switch is if people are clearly trolling with mei or symmetra.

-In my experince team morale= wins more than team comp. What I mean is I feel like people who start the match off with that negativity about the team comp throws off the vibe we all need to work towards the goal. This aint CoD the rein needs the mercy, hanzo needs the ana, etc....We are all responsible for our duties if WE lose its because its OUR fault not the hanzo not switching.

-If I were on your team and you picked hanzo I prob go Ana and spend my match looking out for you. Hanzo can be disruptive to an enemy team especially on payload defense I have pocket healed hanzo's to stop a big payload push to many times to count in my plays.

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[Tsuki]

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We need a massive expansion in the current roster before we'll start seeing some real variety.

^This so much this.

People on the reddit and in game just dont understand that the meta will continue to shift instead of just being fixed as so long as we as players are only left with so few options as the game updates.

I think blizzard needs to go into 2017 with an idea to add at least one hero per category and rather than release them separately just give us them in a pack.

[redsox4evur]

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Let me be the one guy to be optimistic about this for you bro;

-People asking you to switch in the manner in which they did is toxic, its a bit of a running meme on console that people who use hanzo/widow dont have good enough aim to be effective in match.

-This game's freedom of choice is the reason why most of us play so yes EVEN IN COMPETITIVE people should pick whoever they want as long as they know how to play the hero's role correctly. The only time i request a switch is if people are clearly trolling with mei or symmetra.
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Exactly, it's not like I was picking Hanzo while playing offense I will either go Roadhog or Soldier when playing Offense. We needed a defensive hero as we had 0. And the reason I got pissed was the time he said (before the match even started) and the way he said it (right after the match started). Now I can understand his frustration with me dying 4 or 5 times without getting a kill, I totally understand that. But to say I'm not helping the team when I started off with a 7 player kill streak and then was still doing damage to opponents ticked me off. Everyone has their ups and downs, I experienced both in that same game.

[KSUowls]

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I think a lot of people get too obsessed with the pro meta. It's not that they are a bad example to follow, but what we have to remember is that they have a much higher skill base to take advantage of those specific team comps. That being said you don't want 6 dps heroes. You still need some form of complimentary picks. I played around high plat-low diamond level in seasons 1 & 2 (haven't put any time into season 3 yet). This put me in like the top 30% of players on PC, and I often played in 6 stacks which required more team work and balance. We still had a hard time replicating any "pro" strategies because we just weren't good enough. We always performed better when we tried to fill out a team/do things that may not be exactly "meta" but played to our strengths as individuals. This is why I actually don't hate someone who picks Hanzo at the start of a match (PC). As long as the team is generally well rounded, a single Hanzo pick can work. I'll give the person the benefit of the doubt at that point because I'd rather him play a hero he is comfortable with than try to fill out the meta with a hero he may not be as good with.

All that said. We all need to be able to recognize when our selected hero isn't getting the job done, and we need to be willing to change. If you are one of the team DPS playing Junkrat doing a bunch of damage without getting any kills then you're just feeding the other team's ult. At that point you should maybe switch to McCree or another DPS who is better at finishing opponents.

edit - This isn't to say that you shouldn't look at what the pro's are doing for guidance. My point is that what is being done at the pro level should not be strictly followed at the non-pro level.

[kingkilla56]

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They need to actually think of what a buff or nerf will do to other characters. Blizzard is just bugging and nerfing based on pick rate by pro players. And I think that's an absurdly stupid way to balance your game.

When you give Dva 600 health for no reason, and most of it is Sheild, how do you expect Teaper to reap? How is Winston gonna dive when dva is a better diver? She has a godly defense matrix and she has a second life. She's immune to her own bomb, tracer and junkrat are not. Like what kind of balancing is that?

Tanks are better dps than the dps because they have ridiculous health and their damage is great. Road hog is god mode. I just don't get it? Why are the tanks so high with damage? Why is Ana's heals sooooooo much better than Mercy and Lucio?

It's not a roster size issue. For a long time I thought it was. It's just flat out poor balancing and foresight from their balance team.

The game is only fun with scattered teams. If you run into a 4-6 stack, you'll be dealing with the tank meta, you'll be dealing with salt for picking Hanzo. Because that meta forces you into boring gameplay. Can't pick genji, can't be reaper, can't be mcree, Winston, Sombra. You have to mirror their comp and out ultimate them. It's insanely dull to play.

[Speedy]

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I don't have an issue with the variety...I just hate D.Va and I despise anyone picking Ana. Otherwise, I think the variety is pretty good. I'm seeing a lot of Symmetra lately as she is really fun and powerful in the right hands..

I think blizzard needs to go into 2017 with an idea to add at least one hero per category and rather than release them separately just give us them in a pack.

I actually disagree with this. Releasing the heroes individually extends the life of the game. I'd want to see more heroes versus new maps though...I dislike this Eichenwalde map very much and the new one is a control point which I love.

[KSUowls]

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Ana heals a lot because she has to aim. It probably is a little too much given the rest of her kit is so amazing.

I think the only problem with Roadhog is his hook. His damage is fine given his large hit box, lack of armor, necessity for close range, and rather mediocre ult. His hook his broken though. If you fix that I think a lot of the complains about him will go away since there should be fewer insta-kills.

I can't completely kill Blizzard for the balancing though. A buff/nerf to a single character affects not just that character but also every other character who is counters it, synergizes with it, and even those that don't if the buff/nerf puts that character in the meta or takes them out. Not only that, but you also have to consider the maps into any kind of balancing.

For example: Ana was introduced and suddenly we have tank meta. If you kill her healing the tank meta will go away, but a new meta will just be introduced in it's place.

When Zenyatta had 50% discord all tanks were melting and he was pretty much a mandatory pick. They knocked it down to 30% which made Zenyatta still a good pick, but it also allowed for the rise of the tank game + Ana.

Lucio remains one of the must pick characters in almost every situation despite being the most nerfed character since beta because he is the only character with a team support speed boost. The only way you are going to remove him from a must pick is to kill his speed boost (in which case no one will pick him because others would support better) or introduce a new character with his own speed boost or another skill that would force teams to consider this other support utility rather than speed.

Another way to think about this is that Reaper is the best tank buster in the game. So, why don't people just pick Reaper in the Tank meta? Due to the 1 hero limit you can only have 1 Reaper, and he isn't going to bust 3-4 tanks by himself. What if we had 3-4 other offense options to dealing with tanks efficiently? Suddenly there is a viable counter.

The tl;dr is because of all the variables, the direct effects and indirect the effects of making adjustments to any single character it will be nearly impossible to make the game perfectly balanced across the roster.

As far as new characters. Both methods have their pluses. Releasing single heroes kind of forces the life of the game to continue on at a smooth pace, and it probably allows them to be more polished. The hero pack method though allows for the potential to completely change the game every time a new hero pack is released which would keep things fresh. I think this game needs 3-4 new heroes every season (3 months) via either method to keep from getting stale. New characters with brand new abilities, or even some overlap of current abilities, will introduce new pick rates and hopefully diversity. If there was a new offensive character who dealt damage based on % of max HP then that could kill the tank game immediately. A new support hero with an aoe 'slow' for the enemy could result in fewer Lucio's and more of this character.

[CC]

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So I got this game for my brother. He's been playing for two days, and he already has all Christmas skins except for Reaper and Torbjorn plus three regular legendary skins and the legendary ZaRya emote and he's opened less than 20 loot boxes. Like wtf.

[kingkilla56]

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Reaper can't reap because Dva destroys him in every way. Reaper is the tank killer but he's useless right now. Most dps are right now.

Sombra is the key to this whack *** meta but she can only do so much with her current set.

[KSUowls]

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I do think they should switch her extra health to HP instead of shields that could do a lot for the balance. I don't know that Reaper is a great example to use though because I have never really thought of him as a counter. Even before her buffs Reaper wasn't overly effective against her. Even when her defensive matrix was a single use with cool down (useless) Reaper had a difficult time with her due to her hp, 2nd life, and maneuverability. Reaper's problem in the current meta is that there is still D.va (more powerful) + 2 or 3 additional tanks that he would be going up against as the only tank buster in the game.

Sombra definitely feels a bit useless right now (funny considering how OP her kit seemed when announced). She's a DPS/Support hybrid who doesn't do enough DPS to justify picking her over any of the other DPS and her support ability is too gimmicky to be relied on a true support. Her 2 best abilities are hacking health packs and her ult's ability to shutdown something like Lucio ult. Neither of which address the issue of the current meta, and they are only slightly better in the pre-tank meta world. On PTR she can hack through shields which may be enough to bring her into the fray, but it's hard to say for sure without real (competitive) testing. I'm not sure if that will be enough to shut down the tank meta either though.

[kingkilla56]

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Reaper is countered by DVa. That's my point. And every time they buff her for no damn reason reaper is nerfed more and more. Once a reaper is called out, dva will boost to him and the tanks will focus him down in a heartbeat. His ultimate is useless because their road hog or dva or rein or Ana will instantly shut it down with their active abilities.

He's a completely dead character right now against the meta and it's sad. Also the soldier buff wrecked Reaper as well. Soldier can put out good damage from a distance and self sustain waaaaay more efficiently than reaper ever could. Also why Mcree took a nasty hit as well. And as much as I hate on Genji, this meta is garbage for him now. Tracer is alright, but once she's called out she's done. She can't burst down Ana fast enough because of Ana's God grenade.

Just sad. I don't know the answer to this stuff, but it's just bad having only 7 characters be viable. I'm almost ready to beg them to give bastion his personal shield from beta back so he can get some good dps in there to help out.



And side note, I think Blizzard overdid it with symmetra lol.