Star Wars Battlefront 2 (PS4, Xbox One & PC)

[ExtremeGamer]

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Appears they also reduced how you earn credits by 75% as well so the whole thing is moot lol


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[Kearnzo]

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Appears they also reduced how you earn credits by 75% as well so the whole thing is moot lol


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From what I'm reading that's just in regards to credits earned at the end of the campaign. Previously, it was 20k credits which covered the cost of Iden Versio. Now that the required credits have dropped to unlock characters, the campaign earnings dropped to 5k credits which is what Iden now costs.

I'm not absolutely 100%, but I've yet to actually see proof of ALL credit earnings being nerfed.

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[ExtremeGamer]

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I hope that is true and it's only because of the one character. Otherwise, what a joke LOL

[Kearnzo]

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I hope that is true and it's only because of the one character. Otherwise, what a joke LOL

It seems to be. I keep seeing the same claim pop up on reddit but it's been refuted multiple times. I guess we'll find out today for sure with the digital deluxe versions going live.

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[Chiefsfan881129]

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I'm genuinely surprised that people are so turned off by microtransactions and pay-to-win. I think they represent one of the greatest innovations in gaming - the idea that people who are willing to spend lots of extra cash are actually subsidizing the cost of the game for the rest of us.

AAA games have stayed at the $60 retail price for as long as I can remember. The cost of going to the movies has gone up, my cable bill has skyrocketed, even Netflix subscriptions have gone up in price. Not games though. And we have the whales to thank. They are the ones dropping hundreds on the extra items, Deluxe Editions, etc. just so they can acquire earlier something that is attainable through hard work. It is the perfect capitalist system where the ones who can afford it and desire it the most are covering the costs.

When I kill some noob who is playing with Darth Vader and maxed out star cards on the second day, I won't teabag him. But I will kneel to him out of respect and gratitude that I didn't have to drop $80 on the standard edition.

Ikr & people act like Micro Transactions are forced on them & you have to buy which isn't the case

You can still earn everything at a slower pace but what's the rush? everyone should just Enjoy the fact We get maps & dlc for free that's the whole reason loot boxes cost $$$

The self entitlement in this world is sad especially those who thinks everything should be free..

EA gotta make there $$$$ somewhere since maps & dlc are free im not gonna complain about free maps & dlc..


Besides every game including the popular overwatch among other games have loot boxes its nothing new we should be thankful for the free maps & dlc we are getting

I would rather get free dlc vs paying $30 for season pass for dlc that should have been free to begin with..

The enjoyment of the game should be what matters ea isn't holding a gun to your head saying you have to buy the loot boxes or they will shoot.

No the loot boxes are just for the impatience crowd who want everything quicker vs taking time enjoying the game & working 4 it..

Its your choice if you buy the loot boxes but it shouldn't prevent someone from buying a game because every game is starting to go this route so if this bothers you why u still playing video games then?

Lets just all give the game a try 1st before judgement as long as gameplay & stuff is good thats all that matters have a great day..


I would just get the game & enjoy it regardless of lootboxes its gonna be a great game.. Cant wait 4 it to arrive tonight!!!

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[bluengold34_OS]

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I couldn’t care less about Micro whatever’s - all games have them, and if they turn you off you probably need to quit gaming, because they’re not going away - ever.

I buy stuff all the time that can be enhanced and modified with add-ons and accessories- same here.

Are we going to start screaming at the car salesmen now because Chevy sales a base model and an upgraded
version of the Equinox?




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[sbauer318]

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Are we going to start screaming at the car salesmen now because Chevy sales a base model and an upgraded
version of the Equinox?

That's not at all the same thing, though.

There are a few games that do micro-transactions well. I don't care about cosmetic DLC. Rocket League, for example, is something that I'm okay with. However, are we okay with developers and publishers artificially lengthening their single player games in order to entice people to spend more money? I don't know about anyone else, but I have no interest in playing a fluffed game that was only fluffed because someone said, "You know, this game isn't long and tedious enough yet. Why would people spend additional money on this when it's already short?"

I can't really apply that back to the car analogy because nothing really fits well, but it's like if you purchased a fully loaded car, only to find out that AC only worked if you spent 10 hours driving without it, unless you added the premium AC package, which would let turn on the AC whenever you wanted.

[Speedy]

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Besides every game including the popular overwatch among other games have loot boxes its nothing new we should be thankful for the free maps & dlc we are getting

Overwatch's loot box system is purely cosmetic so it's not comparable to BF2. Nothing acquired via lootbox can help the player perform better.

Ikr & people act like Micro Transactions are forced on them & you have to buy which isn't the case

You can still earn everything at a slower pace but what's the rush? everyone should just Enjoy the fact We get maps & dlc for free that's the whole reason loot boxes cost $$$

As Flawless posted earlier, it's not entirely clear how microtransactions fund DLCs. My opinion is that they do it because people pay for it...so why not.

While we get the game to enjoy it, surely the OSers here play the objective and play to win the game...I do, at least. So if I put 100 HRs into a game to level up and get various unlocks to perform better but get beat by people who have spent less time in the game than me but paid $100-200 to get more unlocks than me? Well yeah, that can be unsettling. Honestly, I'm not a fan of an unlock system in an MP game...make the game balanced for everybody and allow skill to be the determining factor, not who has spent the most money or the most time in the game.

BF2 has 64 player servers so one guy won't make that much of an impact on the game. I think what the Reddit thread is doing is fighting this for other EA titles or even other publishers who are thinking of going this route where there is a far less server count - what if this was introduced in Overwatch? There are 12 players in the MP server so one guy with everything unlocked while the others are still grinding could be a massive advantage.

[seasprite]

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Appears they also reduced how you earn credits by 75% as well so the whole thing is moot lol


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You have to be kidding me.

[seasprite]

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I'm ok with the loot boxes (I haven't picked up my game yet) and understand that some buffs can be included in it. It is what it is, but my biggest problem is awarding credits based on time playing the game and not game performance. This is also coming from someone who isn't very good at these games and knowing I wont be earning as many credits as the guy at the top of the leaderboard......but that's that point of playing IMO. I understand they are going to have microtransactions and that they are VERY limited on having customization of characters and armor and stuff compared to other companies, so they have to have something in those loot boxes that will entice people to want to buy. From people I have spoken to who have been playing the game for a week or so, the buffs are really only a noticeable problem with the Starfighters.

[KSUowls]

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Sure it may take me longer to unlock this or that...but really, is that thing they might unlock before you really going to ruin your enjoyment or kill the balance? I don't think it will to the degree people say it is.

Guess we'll have to wait and see. Personally my problem with the whole system is that the micro-transactions do appear to kill the balance. For instance, if you're facing someone whose unlocked cards allow them to kill you 30-40% faster than you can kill them....that's pretty game changing until you can grind your way to unlocking the same cards. Are you really going to enjoy that experience of grinding out those necessary cards though?

Question - Is it required of you to do a micro transaction in this game?

If no, why do you care that much to literally boycott a game? If you're not going to spend money on the micro transactions, that exist in nearly every game now, how does that really effect you?

I'm not trying to argue with you, just playing devils advocate here. You say you love Star Wars and want to play with your son....so really, what's stopping you? Just to stick it to EA whos taking part in micro transactions like everyone else is?

The problem is that it's a particularly egregious micro-transaction game, and to answer your question it would seem that your options are either to participate in the micro-transactions or be left at a disadvantage in a competitive shooter.

It would be one thing if the advantages were small or if you could unlock all the cards you needed within a few hours. From everything I've seen Battlefront fails at both though.

Even the new 75% hero price reduction doesn't really solve the main problem I see with this game. All they did was make it a little less grindy to unlock favorite heroes, but the core gameplay is left untouched in terms of loot crate advantages.

The outrage for me isn't that the game has micro transactions. The outrage comes from the fact that the micro-transactions affect a multiplayer competitive game to such a degree with a heavy grind to catch up. It's that after a few hours of playing when I am trying to mix and match whatever random star cards I managed to unlock in my first 5-10 loot crates I'll be facing people with both possibly better cards outright and cards that compliment each other better. It doesn't matter if I am technically able to unlock through simple game time all of the things that the person who I'm in a firefight against who spent $80 in the cash shop has if I'm forced to play at a disadvantage the entire time until I can unlock them (not a short amount of time from all reports either).

Ikr & people act like Micro Transactions are forced on them & you have to buy which isn't the case

You can still earn everything at a slower pace but what's the rush? everyone should just Enjoy the fact We get maps & dlc for free that's the whole reason loot boxes cost $$$

The self entitlement in this world is sad especially those who thinks everything should be free..

EA gotta make there $$$$ somewhere since maps & dlc are free im not gonna complain about free maps & dlc..


Besides every game including the popular overwatch among other games have loot boxes its nothing new we should be thankful for the free maps & dlc we are getting

I would rather get free dlc vs paying $30 for season pass for dlc that should have been free to begin with..

The enjoyment of the game should be what matters ea isn't holding a gun to your head saying you have to buy the loot boxes or they will shoot.

No the loot boxes are just for the impatience crowd who want everything quicker vs taking time enjoying the game & working 4 it..

Its your choice if you buy the loot boxes but it shouldn't prevent someone from buying a game because every game is starting to go this route so if this bothers you why u still playing video games then?

Lets just all give the game a try 1st before judgement as long as gameplay & stuff is good thats all that matters have a great day..


I would just get the game & enjoy it regardless of lootboxes its gonna be a great game.. Cant wait 4 it to arrive tonight!!!

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"Self entitlement?" This is a video game meant for entertainment not asking for some government hand out. I've never understood how people can use that phrase in regards to any form of micro-transaction system in a video game. One is saying that you deserve something just for existing. The other is saying that you will only participate in a business transaction if it meets your wants (just like we do in all of our every day purchases).

"What's the rush?". This isn't some single player adventure where your options are to wait to gain 1000 experience points through killing NPC's or pay $20 to gain quick access to the next level. It's also not remotely similar to when micro-transactions were first introduced in the NCAA Football series to buy new uniform colors or unlock basically cheats in your offline dynasty. This is a multiplayer FPS where the enjoyment is tied to the competitive balance against others. No one would want to play a game of Madden online where their opponent spent some cash to unlock all player attributes at 99.

As for the Overwatch comparison. Overwatch's system is on an entirely different galaxy than what we're seeing here. The micro-transactions that exist in that game are far less invasive than what Battlefront offers. The only way that an opponent's cash shop purchase affects me in Overwatch is if I suddenly laugh in the middle of a match because I see Roadhog with a Christmas Tree tattoo on his stomach that someone bought with a loot box. The way to make the comparison comparable would be if Overwatch allowed you to purchase boosts to your ultimate charge. If that were possible then the 2 could be compared because a normal player could still achieve 100% charge but cash shop players would hold a competitive advantage. As it stands though Overwatch does not give the ability to purchase competitive advantages during matches (which is what a 20% damage card is doing in BF).

Its your choice if you buy the loot boxes but it shouldn't prevent someone from buying a game because every game is starting to go this route so if this bothers you why u still playing video games then?

Because not all games are there yet, and the number of games with such egregious examples are actually the minority. If a primary focus of a game is putting me up against other players then my purchasing decision will absolutely be influenced by the how much of a grind I will be facing against those players who have the ability to take the easy way out. The ultimate goal of a video game is to have fun. I don't get to decide for another what is fun just as they don't for me, and for me grinding out gametime just to get to a point where the game mechanics put me on a level playing field isn't fun.

I think I referenced it in an earlier post, but I'll do so again. The original Battlefront had a progression system where you could buy more powerful guns as you played through the game. There was one gun in particular, Han Solo's blaster, which was at the highest tier that you could purchase. Pretty expensive, but you could get it. However, people who bought the deluxe version of the game got instant access to it. The gun remained powerful after it was nerfed, but at launch is was like playing with the Golden Gun from Golden Eye. I can't tell you how much "fun" it was playing against people who could 1 shot kill me with a body shot because they paid an extra $20 for the game.

[KSUowls]

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I couldn’t care less about Micro whatever’s - all games have them, and if they turn you off you probably need to quit gaming, because they’re not going away - ever.

I buy stuff all the time that can be enhanced and modified with add-ons and accessories- same here.

Are we going to start screaming at the car salesmen now because Chevy sales a base model and an upgraded
version of the Equinox?




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Apples and Oranges. The equivalent car example to this discussion would be if you are entering a race where everyone gets a v6 Camaro, but if you choose to pay an additional fee you can unlock the v8.

[godway]

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The issue isn't that there are microtransactions, as every game now has them. The issue is that the game is trying to force you to buy them, by making everything very difficult/time-consuming to unlock on its own. And I don't believe that it's all EA doing this. EA is a garbage company that has its fair share of things to complain about over the years, but this all reeks of Disney's milking of the Star Wars IP. And it's humorous that people are trying to defend it now, as if "every" game does this. No they don't.

For comparison, Ubisoft has For Honor and Rainbow Six Siege. There's a lot of unlockable stuff in both games. You can buy in-game currency, but you don't have to. They make it accessible to you to just play to purchase these things yourself. There is a BALANCE there.

Reddit did the right thing. If someone didn't take a stand against this kind of behavior, it would set a really bad precedent for the future of gaming. The appeal of being a console (or PC) gamer is that you pay money for a game and you get a game. Not that you pay money for a game, and only get a small portion of the game, and then have to pay more money for the rest.

[fishepa]

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I'm following this very closely it's an interesting subject. Will be interested to see if people really put their money where their mouth is and essentially"boycott" this game due to micro transactions.


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[UofLCards]

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Sooooooo....anyone picked it up yet? I have to wait till my planning period until I can swing by Best Buy. I'm hoping the server issues that plagued the original are not present.