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  • Gotmadskillzson
    Live your life
    • Apr 2008
    • 23426

    #346
    Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

    OK since that article is a VERY LONG read, I will highlight the bullet points for you guys:

    1. Anthem is not what the game was called originally. The original name was Beyond. EA changed it to Anthem a week before E3 after the staff already had t-shirts made with Beyond printed on them.

    2. Anthem originally wasn't designed to be a looter shooter. It was designed to be a survival game. EA wanted a long term monetized based game instead.

    3. Anthem was in development for 6 1/2 years. They pulled staff from Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age 4 and Dice to help make the game.

    4. Frostbite severely limited what they could do. They originally planned to have multiple cities, forts, towns, mobile striders, different season, thunder storms, snow falling. Frostbite engine however couldn't do it. So what was left was one season, one fort and no mobile striders.

    5. When FIFA moved to frostbite in 2016, EA pulled all their top people who knew how to use Frostbite to work on FIFA because FIFA make EA their most money. So that left Bioware with people who had no idea how Frostbite worked. Every time Bioware would call EA about a problem with Frostbite, EA would take a week or more to respond to them.

    6. In the winter of 2016, they gave a demo to the head of EA Patrick Soderland. He played it and basically said WTF is this BS ? I don't like it, the game is trash, the graphics is trash, make something else. So Patrick flew the heads of Bioware to Dice in Sweden for they can learn to make better looking graphics in Frostbite.

    7. Bioware basically built a brand new game just to appease Patrick Soderland. He flew to Bioware in 2017 to see if they made something that he liked. Previously flying was not part of the game, they never could get it to work in Frostbite, it broke many things. But for the demo for Patrick in June they put flying back in the game. Patrick loved it and said that is cool. Which lead to Bioware to figure out how to put flying into the game permanently without the game crashing. That flying demo they did for Patrick became that year's E3 trailer. But at that point though, that is all they had of the game. Story wasn't made yet, none of the missions were made yet. Also EA dropped a bombshell on Bioware, saying they want the game to be out by the fall of 2018.

    8. Bioware lost dozens of people, had several different people who was the director of the game. All the devs kept saying you know, this game is basically a Destiny clone. EA hated that reference, so Destiny was basically a forbidden word to use at Bioware.

    9. EA put tremendous pressure on Bioware, kept demanding changes and kept telling them it better not flop like the last Mass Effect. This lead to many devs being so stressed out they were placed on medical leave for stress for weeks and months at a time.

    10. Majority of the stuff couldn't even be tested. Online servers weren't working. The missions were made yet. Online servers were so bad they had to make and test the missions for offline use because the servers kept on crashing. When Bioware complained to EA, EA just told them to not worry about, just get the game done. When Bioware complained about the long loading screen time, EA told them not worry about it, fix afterwards, this game must launch before this fiscal year is up.

    11. The build that was released on launch day was only 2 weeks old.

    12. So in conclusion, what Bioware wanted to make, they couldn't because of Frostbite. What they semi wanted to do, EA didn't like and told them make a new game. So basically Anthem was made in a year, a complete rush job of something Bioware never wanted to or intended to do. Frosbite is a terrible game engine. EA only cared about a monetized game. Also in the devs own words, EA only helps and pay attention to the games that make them a lot of money, which for EA is FIFA and the Battlefield series. Every other game dev company is treated like a red head step child, ignored, no help given.

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    • peter42O
      MVP
      • May 2018
      • 1990

      #347
      Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

      Not really surprised by any of that. If anything, I was expecting it. When it comes to EA, sometimes, you just know. Shame though as Anthem could have been something special.

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      • DocHolliday
        Farewell and 'ado
        • Oct 2002
        • 4697

        #348
        Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

        On top of all that they released APEX a week before this game and killed a healthy chunk of their sales.

        EA truly knows how to screw up most everything, expect a game (APEX), where as far as we can tell, they just let the studio do its thing.


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        • peter42O
          MVP
          • May 2018
          • 1990

          #349
          Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

          EA apparently leaving Respawn alone is one of two reasons why I have any faith in the Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order game later this year. The other reason is Chris Avellone who's part of the writing team.

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          • rudyjuly2
            Cade Cunningham
            • Aug 2002
            • 14813

            #350
            Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

            Despite all that Anthem is still pretty fun. I have enjoyed it a lot. But the sheer amount of bugs and lack of content makes a lot more sense after reading that article. The new lead is good and I think this game still gets better and better over time. Definitely need some new strongholds and missions though (everything really) and more legendary loot.

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            • Gotmadskillzson
              Live your life
              • Apr 2008
              • 23426

              #351
              Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

              I wonder what the game would have been like as it was originally intended to be, a survivor game. That would have been dope to have had the different seasons and have snow falling at times. Instead EA made it a looter shooter. Which on EA part was very dumb considering they had Apex in the works. That would also explain why BF5 wasn't completely finished either and why they released their episodes months after the game launched. I am honestly worried about how the new Dragon Age going to turn out now. So many of the original devs that worked on that series are no longer with Bioware anymore after their game was delayed to go work on Anthem.

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              • WaddupCouzin
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 2366

                #352
                Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                I wish MS could have bought Bioware! Give them the freedom to create.

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                • seasprite
                  Phenom
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 8984

                  #353
                  Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                  Originally posted by DocHolliday
                  On top of all that they released APEX a week before this game and killed a healthy chunk of their sales.

                  EA truly knows how to screw up most everything, expect a game (APEX), where as far as we can tell, they just let the studio do its thing.


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                  I don’t think it had much at all to do with the failure of Anthem. The ton of bugs and incomplete game was much more the issue. Even though it seemed you got attacked by saying that a few weeks ago, this latest article just further proves what many saw early.






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                  • seasprite
                    Phenom
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 8984

                    #354
                    Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                    Originally posted by WaddupCouzin
                    I wish MS could have bought Bioware! Give them the freedom to create.

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                    BioWare is just as at fault if not more. If you tell your developer than you want a specific game and after 4 years you are still in pre development stage, there’s a problem with the developer, not the publisher. Read the article, this hasn’t been the BioWare that created KOTOR, it’s a very different company as far as personnel and it isn’t all an EA issue. EA force feeding Frostbite into RPGs is an issue as well, but BioWare isn’t completely innocent in all this.
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                    • WaddupCouzin
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2366

                      #355
                      Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                      Originally posted by seasprite
                      BioWare is just as at fault if not more. If you tell your developer than you want a specific game and after 4 years you are still in pre development stage, there’s a problem with the developer, not the publisher. Read the article, this hasn’t been the BioWare that created KOTOR, it’s a very different company as far as personnel and it isn’t all an EA issue. EA force feeding Frostbite into RPGs is an issue as well, but BioWare isn’t completely innocent in all this.
                      I'm not talking about innocence, I'm talking about the ability to create, and not have a developer "Tell you" what they want. When you look at the Company's MS Partnered with, The main reason most of the companies chose to work with them was due to the ability to create games, and not be dictated to. EA spoke volumes to me by releasing another game a freaking week before this game came out.

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                      • WaddupCouzin
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 2366

                        #356
                        Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                        Originally posted by peter42O
                        EA apparently leaving Respawn alone is one of two reasons why I have any faith in the Star Wars: Jedi Fallen Order game later this year. The other reason is Chris Avellone who's part of the writing team.
                        They cannabilized them enough with Titanfall 2. Other than EA Access, they don't know what the hell they're doing.

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                        • peter42O
                          MVP
                          • May 2018
                          • 1990

                          #357
                          Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                          Originally posted by WaddupCouzin
                          They cannabilized them enough with Titanfall 2. Other than EA Access, they don't know what the hell they're doing.
                          I assume you mean releasing the game between Battlefield 1 and Call of Duty Infinite Warfare right? If so, I definitely agree but I will say that the single player campaign was freaking awesome. Titanfall 2 is a great game.

                          Hahaha. Yeah, I also agree in regards to EA not knowing what they're doing the vast majority of the time. It's a shame as they have had some excellent development studios, franchises and IP's.

                          With that all said, I hold out hope that Jedi Fallen Order is at least in the 8 range and is actually a great game. I figure that it can't be any worse than Battlefront 2.

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                          • WaddupCouzin
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 2366

                            #358
                            Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                            Originally posted by peter42O
                            I assume you mean releasing the game between Battlefield 1 and Call of Duty Infinite Warfare right? If so, I definitely agree but I will say that the single player campaign was freaking awesome. Titanfall 2 is a great game.

                            Hahaha. Yeah, I also agree in regards to EA not knowing what they're doing the vast majority of the time. It's a shame as they have had some excellent development studios, franchises and IP's.

                            With that all said, I hold out hope that Jedi Fallen Order is at least in the 8 range and is actually a great game. I figure that it can't be any worse than Battlefront 2.
                            Yes sir to my first two points, and like you, I hope they leave Respawn alone to create a fantastic experience.

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                            • rudyjuly2
                              Cade Cunningham
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 14813

                              #359
                              Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                              I like things in the patch. The trophy bug got fixed. Can hit the Forge anywhere and you can jump right to another mission at the end of one. Don’t have have to around “collecting” contracts.

                              I don’t understand the reduction in stats for universal weapons and armour. Things feel the same but the scaling got reduced. Just kind of odd. I know they buffed some things.

                              But there are two big disappointments. I always found the game dropped loot at a good enough rate until you need Legendaries. The Legendary drops are still too rare and never got touched. So people that do play a lot end up bored and/or frustrated.

                              The big disappointment is the new Stronghold. It’s got a couple puzzle sequences and I’m simply not a fan of puzzle work. It’s the worst Stronghold in the game imo. I was hoping for something cool and even the end boss isn’t that good.

                              I guess I don’t have to worry about playing less when Days Gone comes out. Their Roadmap got delayed. New legendary missions and Cataclysm got delayed.

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                              • mrclutch
                                MVP
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 2369

                                #360
                                Re: Anthem (PS4,X1,PC)

                                Needs some guys to ply with on the One. I’m very early in the game. GT mrcluthch1013 if you don’t mind playing with a noob.
                                Gamertag and PSN Mrclutch1013
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                                XBOX :Overwatch, NBA 2k22, random old stuff [/B][/COLOR]
                                PS4: Nothing currently

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