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  • TIm
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    • Jun 2003
    • 2214

    #16
    Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

    I think that that punch WAS justified. First she was resisting arrest, then she bit him. He did what he had to do.. I tell you what if that officer used his all his force and whiped her around then threw her to the ground people would be yelling abuse...He gave her every opportunity to be cuffed...After a while you have to do what you have to do..

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    • chippered
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      • Aug 2002
      • 1528

      #17
      Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

      He should've been able to subdue her because of his size advantage, but you never know the circumstances. He was justified though, IMO.
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      • EWRMETS
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        • Jul 2002
        • 7491

        #18
        Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

        Why was he arresting her for violating curfew anyways? I'd like to no more but seems particularly excessive considering the crime. I also don't see the point of him pepper spraying her. That didn't seem to make it any easier for him to cuff her.

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        • p_rushing
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          • Feb 2004
          • 14514

          #19
          Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

          I don't really know about the punch, but he needed to get her knocked back so he could get the pepper spray.

          If he wanted to, he could have cuffed her even with her struggling, but he probably would have broken her arms or dislocated her shoulders. So I think pepper spraying her was the better of the options.

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          • Heelfan71
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            • Jul 2002
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            #20
            Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

            Originally posted by EWRMETS
            Why was he arresting her for violating curfew anyways? I'd like to no more but seems particularly excessive considering the crime. I also don't see the point of him pepper spraying her. That didn't seem to make it any easier for him to cuff her.
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            • EWRMETS
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              • Jul 2002
              • 7491

              #21
              Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

              Originally posted by Heelfan71
              when you assault a police officer, you are asking for it. They are not going to just say "please don't do that, it hurts" :y4:
              Once again, why was he arresting her?

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              • Lintyfresh85
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                • Jul 2002
                • 17492

                #22
                Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                because she broke a law?
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                • Skyboxer
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                  • Jul 2002
                  • 20302

                  #23
                  Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                  Originally posted by fishepa
                  He said put your hands behind your back about 20 times, totally justified.
                  Agree. She deserved every bit of it.
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                  • keRplunK
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 4080

                    #24
                    Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                    He just should of shot her, I mean he said "put your hands behind your back" a MILLION times. Eventually you just got to shoot or punch somebody...I guess he went with the lesser of the two options, they need to teach that guy to go to his gun quicker.

                    He was clearly in danger.

                    (or it was a 15 year old girl who lost her mind because she was thinking about how much trouble she was going to get in and clearly wasn't acting rationally because of the circumstances...and if the cop had half a brain he would've been able to descalate the situation...why do her hands HALF to be behind her back in that situation...put her in the back of the car and lock the doors...unless there is an obvious reason that I'm missing...)

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                    • BigTigLSU
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                      • Sep 2002
                      • 6506

                      #25
                      Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                      Was it jusitified you tell me what you would have done if someone tried to bite you. I think he should have pepper sprayed her earlier after giving her a warning that if she continued to resist he would be forced to spray her. The punch had nothing to do with the arrest it was a normal human reaction to being bitten and in the this day in age of AIDs and everything else he was probably pissed she bit him.
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                      • BigTigLSU
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                        • Sep 2002
                        • 6506

                        #26
                        Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                        Originally posted by keRplunK
                        He just should of shot her, I mean he said "put your hands behind your back" a MILLION times. Eventually you just got to shoot or punch somebody...I guess he went with the lesser of the two options, they need to teach that guy to go to his gun quicker.

                        He was clearly in danger.
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                        • BigTigLSU
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                          • Sep 2002
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                          #27
                          Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                          Originally posted by Superstar
                          because she broke a law?
                          Honestly I wasnt sure what the situation was but if its breaking curfew a warning and drive home would have done the job... but once she resists he should have either put her in the back seat minus the cuffs or given her a few warnings about the pepper spray and sprayed her arse much faster than he did...that whole situation just seemed uncomfortable cause he seemed like he didnt want to break her arms trying to cuff her.
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                          • jim416
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                            • Feb 2003
                            • 10606

                            #28
                            Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                            Matts got it down pretty good.

                            It is very difficult to cuff someone who doesn't want to be, period. Regardles of size.

                            1. If you receive a lot of training in cuffing techniques (and trust me, half of them don't work when you're fighting someone) there's a plus and I don't know how many police departments actually practice this after the academy. You can get into some bad habits.

                            2. If the cop was mad he would have had his adrenaline flowing. Most people trying to cuff someone, who aren't cops, would get mad/frustrated. He kept his cool as much as possible.

                            She's ticked, he isn't. That means adrenaline is flowing and it does count.

                            Plus, she's probably slippery from sweating, him too and that adds another variable. It's difficult. I remember another cop and I trying to take down a guy who had his shirt off and was sweating profusely. It was tough. We needed two more cops just to get the guy on the ground, and then it was still tough trying to hook him up.

                            When you see five cops trying to take down one irate man remember, adrenaline. The bad guy is usually pumped up and, believe it or not, during arrests most cops aren't. We are taught to show restraint and escalate force when force is used against us. We aren't supposed to get mad (that leads to trouble). I rarely got p#ssed at someone when making an arrest, even when they were fighting.

                            I'm glad I'm retired, but this girl gets no sympathy from me.

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                            • jim416
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 10606

                              #29
                              Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                              Oh, regarding putting her in the backseat of the car, no cuffs.

                              From an officer saftey standpoint, that's a no-no. If a person is going in the back, especially a female who can't be searched properly, they get cuffed. Better than a bullet to the back of the head.

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                              • Heelfan71
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                                • Jul 2002
                                • 19940

                                #30
                                Re: 15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

                                Originally posted by jim416
                                Oh, regarding putting her in the backseat of the car, no cuffs.

                                From an officer saftey standpoint, that's a no-no. If a person is going in the back, especially a female who can't be searched properly, they get cuffed. Better than a bullet to the back of the head.
                                plus most states say you have to cuff someone when transporting them, regardless.
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