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  • ex carrabba fan
    I'll thank him for you
    • Oct 2004
    • 32744
    #61
    Re: Native American Mascots/Names

    None of the points/arguments brought up siding with keeping the names has convinced me whatsoever. I'm pretty much neutral on the subject, but reading these points made by the "who cares/keep the names" side has basically swayed me to the other side.

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      • WazzuRC
        Go Cougs!
        • Dec 2002
        • 5617
        #62
        Re: Native American Mascots/Names

        Originally posted by TheMatrix31
        If someone calls me (insert derogatory Armenian term here), I'm not going to go crazy. Why should I? Who cares what people think or say?
        I think its different if someone only calls YOU a derogatory word rather than an entire people. Sports are one of the most integral cogs of our society and to see it perpetuate stereotypes like these...I could definately see where people could get defensive.

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          • Brandon13
            All Star
            • Oct 2005
            • 8915
            #63
            Re: Native American Mascots/Names

            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
            None of the points/arguments brought up siding with keeping the names has convinced me whatsoever. I'm pretty much neutral on the subject, but reading these points made by the "who cares/keep the names" side has basically swayed me to the other side.
            Pretty much the same with me.

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              • TheMatrix31
                RF
                • Jul 2002
                • 52906
                #64
                Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                Originally posted by WazzuRC
                I think its different if someone only calls YOU a derogatory word rather than an entire people. Sports are one of the most integral cogs of our society and to see it perpetuate stereotypes like these...I could definately see where people could get defensive.
                Isn't calling ME the derogatory term, being a member of a type of people, the same as calling everyone that? Just because they don't have a public channel to speak doesn't mean they would only be hurting me. They would obviously have to feel a certain way about my people to say something like that to me.

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                  • WazzuRC
                    Go Cougs!
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 5617
                    #65
                    Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                    Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                    Isn't calling ME the derogatory term, being a member of a type of people, the same as calling everyone that? Just because they don't have a public channel to speak doesn't mean they would only be hurting me. They would obviously have to feel a certain way about my people to say something like that to me.
                    I meant that a hugely successful private institution like the NFL has far more weight than one person saying something derogatory towards you.

                    So are you okay with a nickname like "Redskin?" Whats the difference between Redskin and Negro?

                    I realize that there are far bigger issues than just a mascot, but when an entire societal function like sport turns a blind eye to something so racially motivated, it presents itself as an even bigger problem.
                    Last edited by WazzuRC; 10-09-2007, 12:57 AM.

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                      • NoSkillz50
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 2267
                        #66
                        Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                        My highschool team is the Woodbridge Warriors and in a league we were in the schedule listed us as the Woodbridge "Native Americans."

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                          • TheMatrix31
                            RF
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 52906
                            #67
                            Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                            Originally posted by WazzuRC
                            I meant that a hugely successful private institution like the NFL has far more weight than one person saying something derogatory towards you.

                            So are you okay with a nickname like "Redskin?" Whats the difference between Redskin and Negro?
                            It's a derogatory term, yes. But there are other, more important issues to worry about in our life. It's a sports team's nickname.

                            Why is there no outrage about a professional sports league referred to as "The Negro Leagues"? That's even worse than "Washington Redskins".

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                              • WazzuRC
                                Go Cougs!
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 5617
                                #68
                                Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                                It's a derogatory term, yes. But there are other, more important issues to worry about in our life. It's a sports team's nickname.

                                Why is there no outrage about a professional sports league referred to as "The Negro Leagues"? That's even worse than "Washington Redskins".
                                I mentioned why I think its more than just a nickname in my post above (edited it...)

                                The Negro Leagues had no outrage because it was a completely different time period. Everything was so racially segregated. Times have changed.

                                I really don't see a difference between "Redskin" and "Negro." I almost think that "Redskin" is a worse term to use.

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                                  • TheMatrix31
                                    RF
                                    • Jul 2002
                                    • 52906
                                    #69
                                    Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                                    The franchise was named the Redskins in 1933.

                                    The last known Negro League played it's last game in 1958.

                                    So if the Negro Leagues don't have outrage because it was a completely different time period, then what's different about the Redskins who were named as such 25 years BEFORE the last game of the Negro Leagues?

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                                      • jmood88
                                        Sean Payton: Retribution
                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 34639
                                        #70
                                        Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                                        Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                                        It's a derogatory term, yes. But there are other, more important issues to worry about in our life. It's a sports team's nickname.

                                        Why is there no outrage about a professional sports league referred to as "The Negro Leagues"? That's even worse than "Washington Redskins".
                                        Because it was created by the group describing themselves. And Negro isn't a derogatory term.
                                        Originally posted by Blzer
                                        Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                                        If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                                          • TheMatrix31
                                            RF
                                            • Jul 2002
                                            • 52906
                                            #71
                                            Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                                            Oh, sorry. I didn't know that made it alright.

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                                              • WazzuRC
                                                Go Cougs!
                                                • Dec 2002
                                                • 5617
                                                #72
                                                Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                                                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                                                The franchise was named the Redskins in 1933.

                                                The last known Negro League played it's last game in 1958.

                                                So if the Negro Leagues don't have outrage because it was a completely different time period, then what's different about the Redskins who were named as such 25 years BEFORE the last game of the Negro Leagues?
                                                Again, I meant outrage now.

                                                Negro Leagues were played by predominately African American players, who seemed to have no objection in calling the league as such. Native Americans are even more of a minority of African Americans, and I think they haven't had their voices heard nearly as well as they would like. I think the reason things have happened so quickly throughout the last 20 years and not before then is because the media's role in broadcasting and writing about these protests, opinions, etc.

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                                                  • jmood88
                                                    Sean Payton: Retribution
                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                    • 34639
                                                    #73
                                                    Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                                                    Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                                                    Oh, sorry. I didn't know that made it alright.
                                                    Yes it is alright since first of all, they named it themselves and second of all, it's not a derogatory term. You're reaching.
                                                    Originally posted by Blzer
                                                    Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                                                    If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                                                      • HungryBologna
                                                        MVP
                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                        • 3156
                                                        #74
                                                        Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                                                        It's a big deal because people make it a big deal. This is so damn petty and can't stand this PC world.

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                                                          • jmood88
                                                            Sean Payton: Retribution
                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                            • 34639
                                                            #75
                                                            Re: Native American Mascots/Names

                                                            Originally posted by HungryBologna
                                                            It's a big deal because people make it a big deal. This is so damn petty and can't stand this PC world.
                                                            Can you tell me how the years before this "PC world" were any better?
                                                            Originally posted by Blzer
                                                            Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                                                            If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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