Man kills two while on the phone with cops

[Double Eights]

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Since stores have insurance and verifiable inventory.

And stores are open to the public.

You can't just walk into someone's home. A man's home is their area. You break in or damage said area, you're asking for it.

[Trevytrev11]

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since when have stores and banks been less significant then a persons home? this is exactly why all these corner stores get robbed all the time and way more than a person's house, you people wanting them to rob stores if they are hungry. maybe this guy should post up next to a 7-11.

Nobody lives in store. If someone doesn't feel safe in a store or a bank they can switch stores or banks...it's not that easy to just pick up and move from your house. Most people consider their house the one place they can feel safe.

Plus, when given the choice to steal from a family or a company, I think most would prefer the company. A company/corporation is much better off to withstand the loss they would receive from a theft than a family would. A 7-11 can take a loss of $5,000 with a grain of salt. Most families are not that fortunate.

Banks are insured by the FDIC, so the money in peoples banks account is insured.

[MassNole]

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They weren't in his home. They were in his neighbors home. Would you still give them their "just reward" in that case? What about if it was 2 houses down? What about if it was 2 blocks away?

It would depend on the neighbor. If it was my annoying neighbor I'd probably sit there and cheer them on. If it was my non-douche bag neighbor I'd call the cops but not shoot them.

[Trevytrev11]

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They weren't in his home. They were in his neighbors home. Would you still give them their "just reward" in that case? What about if it was 2 houses down? What about if it was 2 blocks away?

Nope...I agree. Unless it's your house and your being threatened, then call 9-11 and let the police do their job. Would this guy have pulled the same stunt if he saw some kids robbing the local grocery store? What is the difference in this case?

Had it been this guys own house, then I say go for it, but it is not his personal or legal responsibility to protect the neighbors house. If you're driving down the street and see someone breaking into a car or stealing the tires off of a car, can you just stop and shoot? If not, why?

These two guys probably would have stopped if he had just fired a warning shot. And why shoot to kill? Why not just shoot them in their knee caps? The guys backs were turned so it's not like he was in immediate danger himself.

[ODogg]

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They weren't in his home. They were in his neighbors home. Would you still give them their "just reward" in that case? What about if it was 2 houses down? What about if it was 2 blocks away?

It's still breaking and entering and potentially being a situation where the homeowner gets injured/killed. As for your question, I personally would just defend my own personal property in this fashion, anything else would result in a call to the 5-0 but I also don't find any fault with him helping out his neighbors either.

[Cebby]

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Nope...I agree. Unless it's your house and your being threatened, then call 9-11 and let the police do their job.

What exactly is the clearance rate for burglaries? 3%?

[Trevytrev11]

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What exactly is the clearance rate for burglaries? 3%?

Still not his responsibilty though. Should I pull over everyone that speeds becaus the police aren't good enough at catching speeders? Unless this guy is a police officer and unless he is being threatened, he should not be taking the law into his own hands. Shoot the tires out of their car, fire a warning shot or something else to stall them if your worried about them leaving before the cops arrive.

Illegal or not, these guys posed no threat to the shooter whatsoever. Had this been the shooters own house, then by all means go for it. Drugs are illegal so is underage drinking, should I shoot everyone I see doing drugs or drinking underage?

[Stu]

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It's still breaking and entering and potentially being a situation where the homeowner gets injured/killed. As for your question, I personally would just defend my own personal property in this fashion, anything else would result in a call to the 5-0 but I also don't find any fault with him helping out his neighbors either.

According to the article he knew that the neighbors weren't home. He also shot them as they were exiting the house and trying to leave the property. I just can't see any justification for this.

[ODogg]

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I wonder how many of you have ever called the police for a burglary type call. You might be surprised at the response time. I had a situation once where a guy seemingly was robbing the business beneath me blind one snowy December night. He was carrying computer after computer out of the business about 11:30pm at night and loading it into his car.

I called the sheriff which had their HQ about 5 miles away. It was snowing but not terribly bad on the roads. It took them nearly 30 minutes to get there. The guy was still loading his car. As it turns out the guy was an employee there and he was not stealing. It was pretty eye opening though. And in case anyone wonders, I lived in a fairly affluent upper middle class section of town.

I just think a lot of people have a false sense of security that the police will always be there for them, nearly instantly, when they call 911. It's simply not true in a lot of cases. And in case anyone wonders, the police are under no legal obligation to protect you or your property.

[Trevytrev11]

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I wonder how many of you have ever called the police for a burglary type call. You might be surprised at the response time. I had a situation once where a guy seemingly was robbing the business beneath me blind one snowy December night. He was carrying computer after computer out of the business about 11:30pm at night and loading it into his car.

I called the sheriff which had their HQ about 5 miles away. It was snowing but not terribly bad on the roads. It took them nearly 30 minutes to get there. The guy was still loading his car. As it turns out the guy was an employee there and he was not stealing. It was pretty eye opening though. And in case anyone wonders, I lived in a fairly affluent upper middle class section of town.

I just think a lot of people have a false sense of security that the police will always be there for them, nearly instantly, when they call 911. It's simply not true in a lot of cases. And in case anyone wonders, the police are under no legal obligation to protect you or your property.

Imagine in your case if you had assumed the guy was stealing and shot him like this guy did. He is posing no threat to you, but instead you decided to become a law-dog and shoot the innocent guy because he was stealing some computers that are probably covered by insurance and would have been replaced.

And if the police don't make it, then what can you do? Kill someone over some stolen junk that has no meaning to you? . Even had the cops made it in time, they likely wouldn't have shot the guy. So this guy goes above and beyond what a typical cop would have done for what reason? What if you saw someone stealing from Walmart, could you shoot them?

[ODogg]

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Imagine in your case if you had assumed the guy was stealing and shot him like this guy did. He is posing no threat to you, but instead you decided to become a law-dog and shoot the innocent guy because he was stealing some computers that are probably covered by insurance and would have been replaced.

And if the police don't make it, then what can you do. Even had the cops made it in time, they likely wouldn't have shot the guy. So this guy goes above and beyond what a typical cop would have done for what reason?

And that's why I didn't shoot him. If you don't know the situation entirely then you really can't commit to an act which may end up being tragically wrong. In my NRA classes we were always told one rule, don't shoot if you don't know. For instance you don't shoot through a door if someone is in your house without identifying the person. That is how parents end up shooting their kids and the like. You have to have some common sense when you're talking about deadly force.

[Trevytrev11]

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Good for you...can you imagine how screwed up you'd be if you had killed some innocent person over something so stupid?

[ODogg]

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Good for you...can you imagine how screwed up you'd be if you had killed some innocent person over something so stupid?

I can imagine and I think about it often. When you have the power to do such a thing you must consider it carefully. There are no do-overs you know. But you know what? I wouldn't have it any other way. I can't imagine putting my own life in someone else's hands if I don't have to. Because there is no do-over there either.

[RubenDouglas]

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didnt some old man kill or injure a kid who was walking on his lawn? i remember a similiar story. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11934121/

where WILL IT END?

its definetly murder. theres no way he gets off unless the jury is totally ignorant.

cops cant even just walk up to a robber and shoot em. i mean he has clear intent to KILL them.

whats next for him? does he witness his neighbors car getting vandalized and start shooting at the vandals? what if there just kids having some "fun". should they all die?

[Brandwin]

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Once again he was wrong to me, but how can anyone sit here and defend the criminals?