GUYS, What is your Perspective on Tipping

[Double Eights]

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Consequences? What the hell are you talking about? You know why they call us servers? Because we serve you.

Im sorry but if you wanted to make your margarita at your house and making sure you use the perfect amount of tequila, cook your NY Strip Medium Rare on your own grill make your sides of Mashed potatoes and Corn on the Cob, refill your water six separate times, and need to get up 2 different times just to get more napkins...

Then you wouldnt have come out to eat at a restaurant

But no burden on me. The guy who not only has you and your family, but 4 other families to worry about.

I'm not knocking you, so don't get all offended when I say tipping is illogical.

I am blaming management. They screwed the servers over, and over time, they have forced you to rely on tips to make due. If they actually paid you what you deserve, I doubt we'd be having this conversation.

And a couple of the things you mentioned are duties of the cook or bartender. Why do I not tip them?

[av7]

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And a couple of the things you mentioned are duties of the cook or bartender. Why do I not tip them?

Someone mentioned earlier that others get a % of the tip also, its not all theirs.

[WDOgF0reL1fe]

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the thing is, you DO tip the bartender. Because at the end of the night, every server has to tip out some of their tips to the bartenders and the bus boys who also help the Ship sail that night. So if I have a total of 500 dollars in sales that night, were supposed to give 5 bucks. I always tip out a lot more because im a nice guy and its good karma. So in other words, part of YOUR tip goes to the bartenders and the bus boys. BTW ,the cooks usually get paid more than minimum wage...

I do understand where your coming from but... its just not fair for people like you, to have a certain "mindset" when walking into a restaurant. It isnt fair to us.

[Mason81Ballin!!!]

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Consequences? What the hell are you talking about? You know why they call us servers? Because we serve you.

Im sorry but if you wanted to make your margarita at your house and making sure you use the perfect amount of tequila, cook your NY Strip Medium Rare on your own grill make your sides of Mashed potatoes and Corn on the Cob, refill your water six separate times, and need to get up 2 different times just to get more napkins...

Then you wouldnt have come out to eat at a restaurant

But no burden on me. The guy who not only has you and your family, but 4 other families to worry about.

I agree, I ALWAYS tip the most outta my friends just because yea your doing me a service and I thank you for it. Now sometimes I don't have any extra change on me and I feel bad. the pizza guys always get the change plus a couple bucks if I got it, if not the next time I order and the same guy comes ill send him double and say sorry about last time.

and im 17.. work full time and go to high school and play sports(which I pay for), pay for my own car loan, gas, insurance yet I can still give a $4+ tip so the living paycheck to paycheck excuse is lame.. like other have said if its too much to drop a few bucks then go to the store and make it yourself

[Thrasha]

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Ex, if I go to Cali I'm eating with you. This way we both can not tip.

Even more evidence the Yankees attract scumbags for fans....

JK... I guess

[elicoleman]

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Don't get my wrong, I tip waitresses as well as my barber, as it's basically a cultural thing now. I just think the entire concept of "tipping" is absolutely moronic. You are paying EXTRA because someone actually did their job.

Just run that through your head. "You did your job the right way, so here, take part of my paycheck." It just makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Wrong, you are paying them extra because they did their job WELL. They made your experience a good one, and worth paying a little more.

I used to be very pathetic on tipping until I started delivering pizzas. It completely changes your outlook on tipping.

Today at Texas De Brazil, I made sure to tip well. Bill came to $24 and I left $32. They were excellent and I was showing my gratitude.

[Scott]

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Being a former waiter and Delivery Driver, I usually try to leave at least 20-25%.

[TheMatrix31]

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For the pricks I had to deal with tonight and most days at work, I should get paid significantly more than I do.

Tipping when I'm doing a great job regardless of my mood, previous customer, etc is always, ALWAYS appreciated. Appreciated but never expected.

[TMagic]

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Wrong, you are paying them extra because they did their job WELL. They made your experience a good one, and worth paying a little more.

I used to be very pathetic on tipping until I started delivering pizzas. It completely changes your outlook on tipping.

LOL...Same here man. Delivering pizza did it for me too.

I think everybody here should deliver pizza for one week. I guarantee that you all will change your outlook on tipping greatly.

Carrabba...Go to your local Pizza Hut, Papa Johns, or Dominos and get an application. It will change your life...lol

[Double Eights]

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You chose the god awful job of serving or delivering.

Why should I be punished, by having to pay extra, because you chose a job that was difficult and payed less than you needed?

Again, I'm not your dad. I shouldn't have to pay your way through college because Mr. Papa John couldn't give you your proper wage.

Why the hell was I never tipped when I cleaned movie theaters? Did you really want to go in and sit in chairs covered in popcorn, soda, cheese, etc..? Did you really want to go into the bathroom and find **** flung all over the stall, wall, or the floor? I thought I did my job well when I cleaned those horrendous messes, so where was my tip?

[Trevytrev11]

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I'm not knocking you, so don't get all offended when I say tipping is illogical.

I am blaming management. They screwed the servers over, and over time, they have forced you to rely on tips to make due. If they actually paid you what you deserve, I doubt we'd be having this conversation.

And a couple of the things you mentioned are duties of the cook or bartender. Why do I not tip them?

It's a two way street. Without tips and only a base wage, what incentive is there for the server to provide you good service? Fear of losing a minimum wage job? If that was the case, they'd all go work at BK or Mickey D's where they could make the same money and not have to actuall wait on people...same wage, less work.

Tipping works becuase it helps ensure that the customer receives good service and provides incentive for the server to provide that good service. Without this incentive, what would motivate them to check on your table every 5 minutes to make sure your drinks are filled and that you don't need anything else?

More times than not, he's busting his butt because he thinks he will be rewarded for going that extra mile.

If you knew that doing a little extra work at your job would likely get you a noticeably bigger check at the end of the week, likely you would put in that extra effort to do so. However, if you were asked to go beyond your typical line of work for nothing extra at all, why would you do it?

In all honesty, it's not hard for a server to just go and find another job, so unless they are working at Morton's or another upscale dining establishment where they are really making good money, there would be no fear that they would lose their job because they could easily just go get another one.

And as far as tipping the bartender and cook...usually at most alcohol friendly places a bartender will both make their own tips from people sitting at the bar as well a small portion of the wait staffs tips.

And as for the cook/chef...they usually make a decent wage as this is considered more of a skill position. Most chef's, especially at higher end restaurants can make very good money.

[Trevytrev11]

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You chose the god awful job of serving or delivering.

Why should I be punished, by having to pay extra, because you chose a job that was difficult and payed less than you needed?

Again, I'm not your dad. I shouldn't have to pay your way through college because Mr. Papa John couldn't give you your proper wage.

Why the hell was I never tipped when I cleaned movie theaters? Did you really want to go in and sit in chairs covered in popcorn, soda, cheese, etc..? Did you really want to go into the bathroom and find **** flung all over the stall, wall, or the floor? I thought I did my job well when I cleaned those horrendous messes, so where was my tip?

You're not being punished...you could always choose to go somewhere where personal service is not provided. You are aware of how the system is supposed to work and if you choose that you don't want to tip, then you have the right to refuse to eat a place where personal service is provided or just order take out...same food, not service.

If you worked at the movie theatre and brought me my drink and popcorn, I would have tipped you. The tipping is for the personal service that is given to the customer. If I never use the bathroom at the movie theatre, how does your job benefit me? If sit in a seat that hasn't been sat in today, your job may have had no impact on me. Same at a grocery store, the guy who sweeps the floor isn't going to get a tip, but the bagger who helps an old lady to her car probably will...maybe not fair, but theres an incentive for you to work hard so that the sweeper could become a bagger.

Plus, you at least made minimum wage doing this. The cost of your cleaing up was built in to the ever inflating cost of movie tickets. If we want to go ahead and increase the wage of servers at the local chili's from $2.85 to $6.00, then your Big Mouth Burger just went from $8.50 to $10.00-11.00 and your $4.00 tall boy of Bud Light is now $5.00.

Now at minimum wage, you're going to likely get nothing but crappy service. Who wants to wait on people for minimum wage when they can make the same anywhere else doing a lot less work? In reality, you would probably have to pay servers (typically high school and college kids) $10 or so an hour for them to really want to keep their job, so you would basically have to more than triple their wage, which means prices go up even higher. Plus you probably only going to get "good enough" service and nothing great.

Besides basic wage increases there are other incramental costs to the companies burden. When wages go up, payroll taxes, workers comp taxes, medical and other payroll benefits (if earned) are also increased, so that $3.15 raise is actually closer to a $4.50 or $5.00 increase to the company. That money has to be made up somehwere so it gets passed on to the customer as they are still going to want to keep their margin at a steady % of their sales. So now you have customers bitching that the price of food went up and the quality of service went to crap because now their is no motivation for the servers to do better than the minimum job.

Throwing a few extra bones for good service seems like a nice balance to the system if you ask me.

[KG]

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I kind of feel both sides of the argument after reading this thread.

Alot of restaurants automatically add gratuity in for parties over 7 I believe (could be wrong on the #). Do you guys who say you are great tippers leave another tip on top of that?

[HustlinOwl]

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You're not being punished...you could always choose to go somewhere where personal service is not provided. You are aware of how the system is supposed to work and if you choose that you don't want to tip, then you have the right to refuse to eat a place where personal service is provided or just order take out...same food, not service.

If you worked at the movie theatre and brough me my drink and pop corn, I would have tipped you. The tipping is for the personal service that is given to the customer. If I never use the bathroom at the movie theatre, how does your job benefit me? If sit in a seat that hasn't been sat in today, your job may have had no impact on me.

Plus, you at least made minimum wage doing this. The cost of your cleaing up was built in to the ever inflating cost of movie tickets. If we want to go ahead and increase the wage of servers at the local chili's from $2.85 to $6.00, then your Big Mouth Burger just went from $8.50 to $10.00-11.00 and your $4.00 tall boy of Bud Light is now $5.00.

Now at minimum wage, you're going to likely get nothing but crappy service. Who wants to wait on people for minimum wage when they can make the same anywhere else doing a lot less work?

Besides basic wage increases there are other incramental costs to the companies burden. When wages go up, payroll taxes, workers comp taxes, medical and other payroll benefits (if earned) are also increased, so that $3.15 raise is actually closer to a $4.50 or $5.00 increase to the company. That money has to be made up somehwere so it gets passed on to the customer as they are still going to want to keep their margin at a steady % of their sales. So now you have customers bitching that the price of food went up and the quality of service went to crap because now their is no motivation for the servers to do better than the minimum job.

Great post well said, if people do not get that they never will

[Trevytrev11]

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I kind of feel both sides of the argument after reading this thread.

Alot of restaurants automatically add gratuity in for parties over 7 I believe (could be wrong on the #). Do you guys who say you are great tippers leave another tip on top of that?

If the service was great, I usually throw in a little extra. Just depends. I've actually seen someone talk to the manager in this situation in which bad service was given and the manager took it off. They still left a tip, but less than the 18%.

It depends...after talking to my friends, this usually ends up hurting them some because most people leave 15-20%, and the automatic gratuity is usually 18%, so sometimes it helps, and sometimes it hurts. However, if you know you have a table of high rollers, it could hurt you.

It's fair for the wait staff. Usually with large groups, the server will only work that one table...and if they get stiffed, they really lose out because there are no other tables to help them out.

Also, they all told me that when a large group actually splits up a check, they tend to make a little more. I always felt a little bad doing this, but when they told me this, it made sense.
-If there are 4 people that all order the same thing and the tab is $35. Chances are everyone will leave $2. Which is $8 in total or a 23% tip. If it was all paid on one bill. It would probably be a flat 15 or 20% tip and would only be $5 or $6. So the waiter comes out slightly ahead....of course it does't always work that way. The one person who might have picked up the tab might have been a big tipper.