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  • RAZRr1275
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    • Sep 2007
    • 9918

    #16
    Re: Well this is wonderful news...

    Originally posted by dkgojackets
    He also happens to be the best public speaker and most influential leader in history.
    Yes. Try to use your relations to him to do that. (that was to the op)

    Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
    He's not the worst, people like Christopher Columbus or Ghengis Kahn are far worse in my book. They just did it in a time where there was no mass communication, no world media like there was when Hitler ruled, he was a terrible person for his actions, but his only seem worse because the media put the acts he committed right in your face.
    How are Christopher Columbus and Ghengis Kahn worse? All of them are the same to me.

    And to the op that must've been weird to find out.
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    • dkgojackets
      Banned
      • Mar 2005
      • 13816

      #17
      Re: Well this is wonderful news...

      genghis khan was badass.

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      • rockchisler
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        • Oct 2002
        • 8290

        #18
        Re: Well this is wonderful news...

        Originally posted by dkgojackets
        He also happens to be the best public speaker and most influential leader in history.

        Unfortunately you are right, too bad people are cattle they listen to people that have a great voice, no matter what the message is.
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        • mkharsh33
          Hall Of Fame
          • Nov 2006
          • 12770

          #19
          Re: Well this is wonderful news...

          ^^ kinda like the "change" message we've been hearing...
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          • Cebby
            Banned
            • Apr 2005
            • 22327

            #20
            Re: Well this is wonderful news...

            Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
            but his only seem worse because the media put the acts he committed right in your face.
            You're right.

            I guess I kind of overestimated the whole starting the most deadly war in history where he was directly responsible for 40,000,000 death in Europe from the war.

            I can't remember quite the other thing he did...oh yeah, the systematic extermination of people. I guess that's really my fault for believing the media. I'm sure that driving tanks across the borders of another country was a goof. The whole death camp thing was just a 1940s era Survivor. Thank God for you or I'd be convinced by the media that starting the biggest war in history and killing 11-15 million people in horrible ways for no reason was a bad thing.

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            • SkunkWurks6
              Banned
              • Jul 2007
              • 514

              #21
              Re: Well this is wonderful news...

              Originally posted by RAZRr1275
              Yes. Try to use your relations to him to do that. (that was to the op)


              How are Christopher Columbus and Ghengis Kahn worse? All of them are the same to me.

              And to the op that must've been weird to find out.
              Well Christopher Columbus came over here for fame, and riches. When he arrived they killed more Native Americans than we'll ever know, and Kahn yeah all he did was take over the continent of Asia pillaging, burning down villages and raping everythjing in site, not to mention Kahn always got first pics of the women when they visited said villages. Hitler ordered deaths because he was crazy, truely mentally messed up.

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              • SkunkWurks6
                Banned
                • Jul 2007
                • 514

                #22
                Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                Originally posted by Cebby
                You're right.

                I guess I kind of overestimated the whole starting the most deadly war in history where he was directly responsible for 40,000,000 death in Europe from the war.

                I can't remember quite the other thing he did...oh yeah, the systematic extermination of people. I guess that's really my fault for believing the media. I'm sure that driving tanks across the borders of another country was a goof. The whole death camp thing was just a 1940s era Survivor. Thank God for you or I'd be convinced by the media that starting the biggest war in history and killing 11-15 million people in horrible ways for no reason was a bad thing.
                Nice job of taking part of a comment out of the whole to make your arguement stronger in your eyes, how lame. All I was trying to convey (explain) is that Hitler is not the "worst" person to ever walk this earth.

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                • rsnomar05
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 3662

                  #23
                  Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                  Originally posted by SkunkWurks6
                  Nice job of taking part of a comment out of the whole to make your arguement stronger in your eyes, how lame. All I was trying to convey (explain) is that Hitler is not the "worst" person to ever walk this earth.
                  Why does it matter who was the worst person to walk this earth? Hitler, Stalin, Khan, they were all terrible, evil people. One being worse than the others is irrelevant.

                  Hitler: I killed over 46 million people!

                  Khan: I killed more! I win!

                  Do you see how it doesn't matter who was worse? This isn't a contest.

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                  • dkgojackets
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 13816

                    #24
                    Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                    Unfair playing field imo since there are like 100 times as many people in the world when hitler lived and the killing was mostly done by other countries en masse while genghis khan and his army had to go through and do everything by hand. Id put alexander the great up there too. Xerxes though was a bit overrated imo.

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                    • CMH
                      Making you famous
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 26203

                      #25
                      Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                      Originally posted by mkharsh33
                      ^^ kinda like the "change" message we've been hearing...
                      How did I know that was coming up...
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                      • SPTO
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                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #26
                        Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                        Originally posted by rockchisler
                        Unfortunately you are right, too bad people are cattle they listen to people that have a great voice, no matter what the message is.
                        Hitler had a great voice? Uh, ok. He had great command of his voice and he knew how to control the crowd by starting off very quietly and then rising to a crescendo and bringing the crowd back down but you can hardly call his voice "great".

                        Also as much as it irks a lot of people dkgojackets is right that Hitler was the greatest orator of the 20th century. He was also one of the great strategists who let hubris get in the way of rational thinking.

                        Unfortunately Hitler used his powers for evil. If he had went down the path of bloodless conquest and keeping Germany's infrastructure strong then he'd be remembered as the greatest German leader of all time. Hell, that was how the most of the world viewed Hitler before '39.
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                        • Cebby
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 22327

                          #27
                          Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                          Originally posted by SPTO
                          He was also one of the great strategists who let hubris get in the way of rational thinking.
                          I don't really agree with that at all. Pretty much everything about the invasion of the Soviet Union was stupid. Their alliance with the Italians wasn't exactly a work of genius either. Hubris certainly played a part in his horrible decisions, but his (along with Germany as a whole) irrational hatred of Jews and Slavs contributed just as much, if not more to his downfall in my opinion.

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                          • gamelover13
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 92

                            #28
                            Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                            Sure Hitler was evil but he was also very intelligent. He knew how to manipulate people and get them to believe he was right. In fact if his craziness didn't interfere with his intelligence we might all be speaking german right now. His biggest mistake was thinking the Germans were too strong so instead of taking over all of western Europe he spread his army into Russia. If he was patient and took over the west then brought them over to the east to Russia I believe he would have defeated them. Patience is a virtue. I think he was about to die though anyway thats why he became impatient.


                            The killing of all the Jews though was disgusting. (just like every normal person believes ha)

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                            • Cebby
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 22327

                              #29
                              Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                              Originally posted by gamelover13
                              In fact if his craziness didn't interfere with his intelligence we might all be speaking german right now. His biggest mistake was thinking the Germans were too strong so instead of taking over all of western Europe he spread his army into Russia. If he was patient and took over the west then brought them over to the east to Russia I believe he would have defeated them.


                              There's no chance Germany could have taken and held that much land.

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                              • Psyblast
                                2023 National Champions
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 42582

                                #30
                                Re: Well this is wonderful news...

                                Originally posted by mkharsh33
                                ^^ kinda like the "change" message we've been hearing...



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