"The devil is here boy, the devil himself"

[OSUFan_88]

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This guy knew what he did was wrong, he just didn't choose to stop.

Yes, that makes me better than him.

[Bornindamecca]

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What if that was your little brother and sister he did that to?

You're just suggesting "What if you were also a victim?"

Victims are not in a position to make the best judgement. In most cases, the answer is obvious. Victims want revenge. Being a victim puts most people in the situation of thinking only of themselves, and their personal loss. They often lose the ability to think of themselves as part of something because their pain is unique.

That is hardly a criteria for judgement on the emotion of Sympathy.


The real question for Sympathy is: What is the verb of sympathy? What does your sympathy do?

We all have very clear ideas of the verbs "love" and "hate" To love is to share, to create, to build up--to hate is to destroy, to take, to break down.

To Sympathize is to do what?

[Cebby]

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How does killing him make us any better than him?

Because by not killing him, we've allowed him to kill at least 5 people and rape 3 people.

At every point that he's been free, he's either raped or raped and killed someone.

[Bighoff]

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This thing needs to be tortured in the most horrific ways possible and made to suffer for as long as possible.

[bjf1377]

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That's so sad. The guy obviously has severe psychological problems. Also, for everyone calling for his head, what purpose would it serve killing him? Keeping him secluded from society and getting him some sort of treatment would be the best punishment.

Do we really want to stoop to the level this psycho did? No offence, but the "eye for an eye" treatment is idiotic, in my opinion.

I understand where you're coming from. If this was a guy who had gone insane and killed a person or two, I could see how you could say it was purely insanity and I would not object to merely jailing him and getting him help. Trust me, I know what it feels like to slip into a mindset that you can't control (even if I haven't let it get too out of control)

However, when things like this occur over an extended period of time, only certain people are targeted, and events are taped, it becomes something the person is cognizant they're doing. There is no rehabilitating a person like this. No matter how much you try to help this guy, he is still going to want to rape and kill people. This guy is a cancer to humanity, and should be removed before he can do anymore harm to anyone.

[Brankles]

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This guy is clearly mentally unstable and I pray he doesn't get any leniency because of that.

Stick him in jail forever. They'll take care of him in there.

[P2K]

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When we draw a line between other people and ourselves, we build the foundation for more unspeakable acts. When people are weak and uneducated, this line is allowed to be pushed back further and further, until we're back in Auschwitz.

Draw those lines, and eventually, all it takes is for one charismatic person to dehumanize the enemies of the oppressed. Then the oppressed become the oppressors and history repeats itself. The only way to break the cycle is to maintain our humanity, and use situations like these as more motivation to improve our emotional and communal intelligence.

Uh yeah.

Save this moralistic talk for people whose mothers weren't jackals.

I cannot stand people who are born contrarians. Because 9 times out of 10, all you are doing is overthinking yourself. The best thing to do is go with your first instinct.

And my first instinct is to have a steamroller slowly go over this guy, starting with his feet...with pictures of the people he killed and raped staring him in the face.

Now, that may be inhumane and setting the human race back 1,000 years in some people's eyes. But I could give a ****. With I, using no bias, prejudice, etc...all I would be doing is taking out those that have no business living among us.

[baumy300]

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Uh yeah.

Save this moralistic talk for people whose mothers weren't jackals.

I cannot stand people who are born contrarians. Because 9 times out of 10, all you are doing is overthinking yourself. The best thing to do is go with your first instinct.

And my first instinct is to have a steamroller slowly go over this guy, starting with his feet...with pictures of the people he killed and raped staring him in the face.

Now, that may be inhumane and setting the human race back 1,000 years in some people's eyes. But I could give a ****. With I, using no bias, prejudice, etc...all I would be doing is taking out those that have no business living among us.

[callmetaternuts]

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This guy is a huge piece of crap and doesnt deserve to go peacefully. Im not a sadist, nor a glutton for punishment, but you look at other countries that have public executions, or more violent hands-on executions and this crap isnt as common. Make an example of this guy. Why does he deserve to die in a humane matter? He humiliated and tortured a little kid who was helpless. Im sorry, but you can cry for human rights all you want, this guy deserves none of them. If you do something like that to another human being you essentially forfeit the right to be treated with dignity.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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From what I remember, he killed the parents, raped and killed a kid, and the 9 year old girl was IDed at a diner. Ain't no family.

No. Story says he killed the mom, fiancee & her brother. Father was upset that the video was allowed to be viewed by spectators in the courtroom & media. He left while it was shown & then fussed @ the people in the courtroom after it was finished.

I just know, God forgive me, if that was my child he tortured & shot, sitting him in a chair & letting him sleep off into death would not bring a feeling of justice to me.

[youvalss]

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Don't keep Saddam and Hitler waiting...Hell is your new home.

[MassNole]

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I really don't see how even the most fervent death penalty opponent can argue this thing shouldn't feel the embrace of death for punishment for what he did. These acts are as heinous as you can get and on multiple occasions he mocked our criminal justice system. He is living proof that prison won't rehabilitate savages, in fact he is the poster animal for a fast tracked death penalty. If you are the Idaho Supreme Court, fast track and deny any appeal, same for the Federal Circuit Court Idaho is in and the US Supreme Court. This shouldn't take any longer than a year.

From there bring back some of the better punishments, such as the firing squad and the gallows. And none of this protective custody crap for him (or anyone for that matter) and stick him in gen-pop. And please enough of this crap with killing him makes us no better than him. It isn't about being better, it is about punishing the severe atrocities he committed against fellow human beings. It is about sending a message to the rest of the human excrement that commit similar crimes that when you get caught you will die. Sure these penalties don't deter them, but you know what, neither does the prospect of life in prison. Hell a sicko like this probably relishes the chance to "drop the soap".

Dennis Miller said it best, sometimes we just need to thin the herd.

[Jackdog]

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Uh yeah.

Save this moralistic talk for people whose mothers weren't jackals.

I cannot stand people who are born contrarians. Because 9 times out of 10, all you are doing is overthinking yourself. The best thing to do is go with your first instinct.

And my first instinct is to have a steamroller slowly go over this guy, starting with his feet...with pictures of the people he killed and raped staring him in the face.

Now, that may be inhumane and setting the human race back 1,000 years in some people's eyes. But I could give a ****. With I, using no bias, prejudice, etc...all I would be doing is taking out those that have no business living among us.

Co-sign.

As a parent these days, this is the kind of sick f*ck that almost makes it almost impossible to let your kids go out and play. The more of these pedifiles they put down the better. I spend enough on taxes now. I don't want to house a demon that could get out and kill another child. That s*it happens all the time. Why? Because some people feel pity for the demons that pray on innocent children. I don't because I have a son that's my life. I can't fathom the pain I would go through if this happened to him. I truly believe it would killl me. I would stroke out trying to get my hands around the sick f*cks neck.

Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

That breaks my heart. These kids will never be the same. I think it will help them if they put the sick f*ck down. At the very least they will know he won't be coming back.

[Dice]

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I feel this guy should just be given a life term sentence in jail. This would satisfy those who oppose the death penalty. But in reality, it's the same as giving him the death penalty because you know he's going to get killed in jail.

Not to be a religious fanatic but I do believe demons invade the human spirit as it did with this guy. To an extent, I also agree with Bornindamecca on the inhuman nature that comes out of us when we witness sick stuff like this. Parts of our society is messed up. And we are witnessing the events unfolding in front of our eyes. And when we talk about the alternative of throwing him in jail and letting the folks in jail take care of him also brings out another part in our society that's messed up...and that's the prison system. When we talk about the prison system pertaining to this case we kind of treat the prison system like it's a den of wolves and we're throwing this guy in the den for the wolves to eat him alive.

So those parts of society that's messed up, like the prison system, is some of the parts most of us call 'Hell on Earth'.

So, if he claims he's the devil then send him back home to hell.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Born...mecca......

I'd like to say I respect your opinion. I respect a man who thinks his position & doesn't just ramble off words w/no direction. So please don't think I say the following in order to insult you personally.

But what you've said is liberal mumbo jumbo.

You want to talk about losing our humanity, but you have not fully comprehended what makes up man. We have the capacity to love. We have the potential to hate. That seperates us from the animals.

But what also makes us unique is morality & a sense of justice. There are many species that kill its young. When a male lion takes over a pride, it immediately kills the cubs so that it can mate. The lionesses don't band together to defend their kids. They willingly submit to the new "king's" advances. There is no feeling. No sympathy. No sense of right & wrong. They are driven by their instincts.

Mankind is not so. We are creatures of free will. We have conscience. Morality. Our decisions are answerable to the community. No matter what culture or society you visit, there is a common sense of what is normal & what is beyond indecent that is shared by us all. Whether you think that was put there by God or evolved over eons of time. And when someone abuses that free will to put the most heinous atrocities upon his innocent fellow man, that desire for justice yearns to be satisfied.

THAT IS HUMANITY.

To ask for retribution, to ask for what was mercilessly bestowed on that young boy be repaid in kind, is what puts us above all other life forms on this planet.

If my kids were the victims, would I torture that scum day after day after day? No. I know I don't have that in me, whether I felt it was justified or not. But would I take that slime in a dungeon somewhere & make that vermin beg me for the mercy he never gave my boy? God forgive me, I probably would. I'll have to answer to Him for that. I beg, that if that's wrong for me to feel, He'll heal my heart so that I would make that change. But I'll answer to God only. I'll be doggone if another human being could tell me I was losing my humanity because I'd desire revenge dispensed from my hands.