"The devil is here boy, the devil himself"

[Cebby]

Re: "The devil is here boy, the devil himself"

Violence plays into it when a person is made to feel week, because they are made to feel alone.

What if what makes someone feel weak is completely unreasonable?

Drug lords have killed people for stealing 2-3 grams of cocaine despite having millions. Hitler killed tens of millions because he felt threatened by the awesomeness of the Jews, Poles, and Slavs. This guy wants to have sex with little boys.

How do you appease those?

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I don't see the correlation between a lack of education & bad behavior. College campuses are full of drunken orgies. Students don't know the dangers of alcohol & unprotected sex? Society is not to blame for people who rape, torture & kill 8 yr olds. It's a sick, polluted mind who purposely fills his heart w/perverted imagery that deserves the blame. And the punishment. If being in jail before didn't teach him he was wrong, then nothing will.

[Jackdog]

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I don't see the correlation between a lack of education & bad behavior. College campuses are full of drunken orgies. Students don't know the dangers of alcohol & unprotected sex? Society is not to blame for people who rape, torture & kill 8 yr olds. It's a sick, polluted mind who purposely fills his heart w/perverted imagery that deserves the blame. And the punishment. If being in jail before didn't teach him he was wrong, then nothing will.

Bingo.

[Bornindamecca]

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I don't see the correlation between a lack of education & bad behavior.

This is a point I'm not willing to debate. It's a black and white issue that people much smarter than me have figured out a long, long time ago. I've already stated that by education, I don't literally mean school. School is a part of education, but not it's totality, so bringing up the long, long list of college student crime is utterly ridiculous.

There is a bar in this discussion, and the denial of the relationship between education and crime sings beneath that bar.

Bingo.

You should really rethink your sig.

[Cebby]

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It's a black and white issue that people much smarter than me have figured out a long, long time ago.

There certainly is a relationship between crime and education, but it's not at all relevant to this case.

Uneducated people commit more crime, but it has more to do with property crimes and the drug trade and both of those come down to money.

If you eliminate drug violence, I'd imagine the breakdown of rape, assault, and murder would be relatively even throughout all levels of education.

If you have a foolproof method for eliminating murder and crime, you could probably get millions of dollars in grants and book deals. It would likely be the biggest break through in human history. But as it is, you're the psychic who doesn't want to really prove his powers.

[Bornindamecca]

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If you have a foolproof method for eliminating murder and crime, you could probably get millions of dollars in grants and book deals. It would likely be the biggest break through in human history.

The information to improve our society is out there. The sad truth is a few very wealthy people make a lot of money from the hardships of the poor. Hence the continued deterioration of the middle class.

That's why I don't have to prove anything. There are several social, economic and political errors in our society that are pretty easy to pick out. Many of these obvious things would contribute to a higher communal self esteem and consequently less aberrance. The basis of your demands of proof is that we can't improve. Obviously that isn't true.


At this point you're resorting to polemics and bombast, which shows that the discussion is detaching from the rails.

[Cebby]

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That's why I don't have to prove anything. There are several social, economic and political errors in our society that are pretty easy to pick out.

Name them. Also offer some sort of solution.

The basis of your demands of proof is that we can't improve. Obviously that isn't true.

The basis of my point is that some people are ****ed up and that's just how they are. Some people like sports. Some people like art. Some people like reading. Some people like dancing. I would assume you can accept that, but yet you reject that some people like to rape and murder? The man raped young boys over the span of 30 years. You can't make someone not want to rape little boys.

[OSUFan_88]

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People, by their very nature, are violent.

To have a society with no murders is the most unrealistic idea I've ever heard. It will never happen. Ever, no matter how many people want it.

Honestly, murder prevention is basically impossible unless we get precogs from Minority Report.

[Bornindamecca]

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Name them. Also offer some sort of solution.

No. Your mind is closed to what I'm saying, you refuse to qualify your points and you're just waiting to argue. If you had a genuine inquiry, or were attempting any kind of problem solving, I'd engage you on that level, but you haven't proven that you're coming from that place.

The basis of my point is that some people are ****ed up and that's just how they are. Some people like sports. Some people like art. Some people like reading. Some people like dancing. I would assume you can accept that, but yet you reject that some people like to rape and murder? The man raped young boys over the span of 30 years. You can't make someone not want to rape little boys.

I work with artists, writers, musicians and even know some dancers. Most often, people do more than one. When they were children, they're usually drawn to one craft but with exposure, education and communal influence, they branch out and gain a love for other fields. If they are stifled, they become less creative. If they are nurtured, the opposite happens. Most human experience follows these basic guidelines, so in my eyes you don't have a leg to stand on. More importantly, we don't have a foundation for the discussion of problem solving.

[Bornindamecca]

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People, by their very nature, are violent.

To have a society with no murders is the most unrealistic idea I've ever heard. It will never happen. Ever, no matter how many people want it.

Honestly, murder prevention is basically impossible unless we get precogs from Minority Report.

And where exactly did you hear that idea? Show me the quote.

Prevention and complete elimination are not synonyms. This discussion is too subtle and complex for such polarities.

[OSUFan_88]

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And where exactly did you hear that idea? Show me the quote.

Prevention and complete elimination are not synonyms. This discussion is too subtle and complex for such polarities.

In 35 years, at any point in time, we can choose to stop raising murderers.

Sure sounds like Murder prevention to me.

[Cebby]

Re: "The devil is here boy, the devil himself"

No. Your mind is closed to what I'm saying, you refuse to qualify your points and you're just waiting to argue. If you had a genuine inquiry, or were attempting any kind of problem solving, I'd engage you on that level, but you haven't proven that you're coming from that place.

The old run and hide technique. Make a ridiculous claim and everyone else is too stupid to understand.

If they are nurtured, the opposite happens.

So nobody who kills had a relationship with his parents? Again, there's a lot of money in book deals and lecturing. Go get paid.

[RAZRr1275]

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I wish they would find a pack of wolves to rip this piece of **** apart...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/21/....ap/index.html

This is sad. I'm not saying anything else.

[Bornindamecca]

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Sure sounds like Murder prevention to me.

And again, prevention and elimination are not synonyms. You're misreading the quote and taking it to the extremes to suit your argument.

[OSUFan_88]

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And again, prevention and elimination are not synonyms. You're misreading the quote and taking it to the extremes to suit your argument.

So which is it, elimination or prevention?