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  • callmetaternuts
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    • Jul 2004
    • 7045

    #16
    Re: Market down 450+ pts

    Originally posted by boomhauertjs
    I got this bailout idea in a forwarded e-mail. Too bad there's this little thing called inflation that would ruin this idea. And that most people would not spend the money wisely.


    Something to think about... I'm against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.
    Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a “We Deserve It” Dividend.
    To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.
    Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.
    So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.
    My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a “We Deserve It” Dividend.
    Of course, it would NOT be tax free.
    So let's assume a tax rate of 30%.
    Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.
    That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.
    But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.
    A husband and wife have $595,000.00.
    What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?
    Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.
    Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads and those with student loans.
    Put away money for college – it'll be there when needed.
    Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.
    Buy a new car – create jobs.
    Invest in the market – capital drives growth.
    Pay for medical insurance – health care improves.
    The other fault with this email is the math. Do the math. 85,000,000,000 divided by 200,000,000 is $425 bucks, not $425,000. We already got stimulus' checks for more than $425 so that wipes that out.

    The market is full of over reaction, speculation etc. This is why there are safeguards built into the market if it goes down a certain %. Did you know that if it goes down 10%, the market shuts off portions for a set period of time? Its to prohibit A) fear B) panic and C) people driving prices down (i.e. short selling) for profit and fueling a collapse. There are rules and regs in place to help take care of this.

    Edit: They are called cicuit breakers. Here is a pretty simple explanation

    Does it suck that the market is down alot? Yes, i have money in there, and we all are tied to it to some degree. But it will correct itself, whether it be pushed by the bailout or over long periods of time. Dont forget that about a year or so ago, we hit the biggest boom in history by going from 12,000 to 13,000 on the Dow in over a month ( i believe). So it goes both ways.

    The market over long periods of time averages a return of approx 8%. When companies run hypotheticals on market returns over 40 years of time, there are years where the market is up 10%, years its down 22% and years its flat. So while this one year or time period is down, its A) not unprecendented and B) expected in the grand scheme.

    I know alot of people hear about day trading and how "sexy" it is but over the long haul it will be fine. Thats what 99% of us are, long term investors. Personal gain, 401(k), employee matched company stock, its all long term. Weather the storm in the short term, use any buy/sell opportunity, any gain/loss opportunity as a learning tool

    The bail out will eventually pass, it will be structured properly. I'd rather they get it right and wait a week and bolster the economy than rush out a turd sandwich that helps it now, but leaves us in another lurch in 3-5 years.
    Last edited by callmetaternuts; 09-29-2008, 03:40 PM.
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    • Skerik
      Living in this tube
      • Mar 2004
      • 5215

      #17
      Re: Market down 450+ pts

      Originally posted by SPTO
      Look, i'm not one to take glee upon news like this but let's face it, the crow has come home to roost in regards to economic policy and behavior over the past 25 or so years.
      In the words of Jeb Hensarling:

      “In my heart and in my mind, I believe that this plan is fraught with unintended consequences, would force generations of taxpayers to pick up the tab for Wall Street losses, and could permanently and fundamentally change the role of government in the American free enterprise system. Once the government socializes losses, it will soon socialize profits. If we lose our ability to fail, we will soon lose our ability to succeed. If we bail out risky behavior, we will soon see even riskier behavior."
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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #18
        Re: Market down 450+ pts

        If the Dow goes down over 1000 i'll freak. It'll make 1987 look like a joke.
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        • Stumbleweed
          Livin' the dream
          • Oct 2006
          • 6279

          #19
          Re: Market down 450+ pts

          I'm sorry to anyone losing their shirt in this, but there's nothing funnier to me (as a ***** of Wall Street and all the greed and frenzy that it represents) than seeing all these suits running around like the world is ending, little pieces of paper falling all over the place. They build this ****house, now lock them inside while it goes up in flames. Deregulation played a large part as well, but unfettered greed is the root cause of this evil, as with many others. Our fake economy filled with fake people panicing about fake money...

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          And this quote made me giggle:

          "Once the government socializes losses, it will soon socialize profits." YEAH, WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE?? What a joke this economy is -- greedy pigs rely on the taxpayers to do the work that allows their companies to exist and now we have to clean up their messes as well? **** that. I'm not a free market kind of guy, so I have ZERO problem with socializing profits, because those profits are built on the backs of the taxpayers and (in this case) with their life savings.

          If you are a free-market type, you should be against this as well, for different reasons -- where's the good ol' capitalist retort, "The market will correct itself" when you need it? Oh yeah, because it's not true, given there has never been a truly capitalist society (ours is heavily-subsidized and until the last 25 years or so, was regulated pretty well also), much as there's never been a truly pure Communist society. Even Adam Smith, the go-to for free-market capitalists warned that the corporations must be reigned in and controlled when they get too greedy. Deregulation doesn't work, and the hens are indeed coming home to roost.

          This plan is allowing the bad parts of socialism (socializing debt) while preventing the good parts (national healthcare, stronger infrastructure investment, etc. aka "socializing profits"). What a joke.
          Last edited by Stumbleweed; 09-29-2008, 03:50 PM.
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          • SportsTop
            The Few. The Proud.
            • Jul 2003
            • 6716

            #20
            Re: Market down 450+ pts

            Originally posted by SPTO
            If the Dow goes down over 1000 i'll freak. It'll make 1987 look like a joke.
            Not so much. A 1000 point drop today would be less than 10% of the entire index.

            There was over a 22% drop in 1987.

            Let's see how the overseas markets react late tonight/tomorrow morning.
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            • TheMatrix31
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              • Jul 2002
              • 52908

              #21
              Re: Market down 450+ pts

              Just as the warning to everyone....keep the political stuff out of this thread.

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              • Stumbleweed
                Livin' the dream
                • Oct 2006
                • 6279

                #22
                Re: Market down 450+ pts

                Yeah sorry, I was probably toeing the line. No more out of me. This whole thing just makes me sick though -- it's really an indictment of the policies of the last 25 years.
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                • SPTO
                  binging
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 68046

                  #23
                  Re: Market down 450+ pts

                  Originally posted by Squint
                  Let's see how the overseas markets react late tonight/tomorrow morning.
                  The overseas markets tend to take the cue from the US so I would expect a huge dip from them as well. I have a feeling the TSX here in Toronto is taking a pounding. It all depends though as the TSX is commodities based so we may not feel it nearly so bad.

                  I'll give a report after the bell here in TO.
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                  • MC Fatigue
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 4150

                    #24
                    Re: Market down 450+ pts

                    I probably should care, but for some reason I don't. I just do my own thing, and pretty much ignore politics, economics, and all that stuff altogether. I probably should care, though.

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                    • callmetaternuts
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 7045

                      #25
                      Re: Market down 450+ pts

                      Things will turn around. This is a hard lesson to learn for the US economy, but a necessary one. Look at the Great Depression, while i cant imagine living during that time, look at what our economy has done since then. Look at the programs, departments, and regulations that came about. The economy and global market are evolving everyday and we will have to adjust with prudent rules and regs and programs. This was bound to happen as its been looming for 20+ years. This isn't new or a profound occurrence, its been building and as we de-reg everything and sit back and count our cash, we are just prolonging the inevitable.

                      The bailout needs to include some sound financial planning, but it needs to adopt some tighter requirements. This cant be just be about money. Throwing money at the problem doesnt fix it, contrary to popular belief.
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                      • Stumbleweed
                        Livin' the dream
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 6279

                        #26
                        Re: Market down 450+ pts

                        Originally posted by callmetaternuts
                        Things will turn around. This is a hard lesson to learn for the US economy, but a necessary one. Look at the Great Depression, while i cant imagine living during that time, look at what our economy has done since then. Look at the programs, departments, and regulations that came about. The economy and global market are evolving everyday and we will have to adjust with prudent rules and regs and programs. This was bound to happen as its been looming for 20+ years. This isn't new or a profound occurrence, its been building and as we de-reg everything and sit back and count our cash, we are just prolonging the inevitable.

                        The bailout needs to include some sound financial planning, but it needs to adopt some tighter requirements. This cant be just be about money. Throwing money at the problem doesnt fix it, contrary to popular belief.
                        Agreed completely, especially the bolded bits. It's a clear cause/effect relationship -- this Gilded Age-lite economy that we've got going is untenable basically...

                        A good post from another forum:

                        "I know 7% unemployment is a total ****storm, but 700 billion going to someone who basically has the authority to pay over-market rates for troubled financial interests held by former colleagues of his doesn't seem like a good call. That's just taking the problem and deferring it. Why not let things fall apart right now and start building something that isn't reliant on fictitious balance sheets and imaginary money?

                        Or why not take a lesser amount, 1-200 billion, and use it to bail homeowners out of bad mortgages so they don't lose their homes? If the real estate market is the source of this armaggedon scenario, why not address that instead of throwing money at a failed financial system?"
                        Last edited by Stumbleweed; 09-29-2008, 04:04 PM.
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                        • SPTO
                          binging
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #27
                          Re: Market down 450+ pts

                          Well the TSX got hit hard too down 725.8 points.

                          Sheesh
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                          • SportsTop
                            The Few. The Proud.
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 6716

                            #28
                            Re: Market down 450+ pts

                            Interesting.....I'm not an economist, so this is news to me:

                            Trump is on Cavuto's show right now saying this is a "cleansing" and that every time something "bad" like this happens oil prices drop like a rock and it's going into a tailspin. He says oil is the lifeblood of the economy and that will be very good for the economy.

                            He said if Congress came out and announced a new deal and it was going to be great that oil prices would shoot up.
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                            • Jackdog
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                              • Aug 2002
                              • 7719

                              #29
                              Re: Market down 450+ pts

                              DP. Great minds watch the same show.

                              Originally posted by Squint
                              Interesting.....I'm not an economist, so this is news to me:

                              Trump is on Cavuto's show right now saying this is a "cleansing" and that every time something "bad" like this happens oil prices drop like a rock and it's going into a tailspin. He says oil is the lifeblood of the economy and that will be very good for the economy.

                              He said if Congress came out and announced a new deal and it was going to be great that oil prices would shoot up.
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                              • superjames1992
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                                • Jun 2007
                                • 31381

                                #30
                                Re: Market down 450+ pts

                                Originally posted by J0nnD0ugh
                                On news the bailout was voted down in the House. The next Depression is now the current one.
                                If this did pass, we would officially be a socialist country (redistributing wealth is socialism!), so I'm glad they shot it down.

                                Besides, the market will bounce back. Wall Street was excited about receiving free money from the government, but now they are not (as of now), so the market went down.

                                Also, you just became richer today with this not passing! The dollar went up a lot compared to other currencies because they shot this down and gas prices dropped nearly 30 cents due to this! The price of crude oil dropped $11!
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