Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

[Double Eights]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

OK, let's put it this way: Do you agree with every rule at your job?

Regardless of what my job is, I have morals.

A paycheck is nice, but not when it comes at the hands of violating my principles. I'll follow any rule and regulation, as long as it doesn't violate my rights or any other individual's rights. the minute I'm asked to do something completely immoral and repugnant to individual rights, I quit.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

You realize j-walking is illegal, right? You realize slavery was legal, right? You realize being naked on your own property (outside of your house) is illegal, right? You realize alcohol was illegal, right?

Just because it is illegal, or even legal, doesn't make it right.

Slavery is an entirely different story which I'm not going to get into.

J-Walking is wrong. You could get yourself killed. No one wants to see you naked. Alchohol probably should be illegal.

[jim416]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

J-walking is an "infraction", not a crime.

But it's a good one to give a cop probable cause to stop someone (just like the broken tail light on your car). It might not be a biggy to you, but I can't tell you how many people have been arrested on warrants because of traffic stops like these. Whether or not the cop cites you afterwards is up to him/her, usually a verbal warning is all that the driver gets. Same with J-walking.

[Double Eights]

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No offense cause you are a good poster and I don't know the entire circumstances of your plight, but you claim that cops "don't think twice about the consequences of their actions" when you in fact were the one caught with pot. I agree its idiotic and marijuana should be legalized in some form, but that is another discussion for a different forum.

I just think to say that cops don't think twice about consequences is extremely hypocritical of you when you are the one complaining how you might lose your financial aid for an offense that was your fault. Maybe you should heed your own advice.

You, as well as a few others who replied, have missed the point of what I said.

What I was saying is that cops will follow orders, regardless of their own person feelings towards a subject. If they are told to round up every pot smoker in town, they will do so. Don't think I'm right, take a look around society. How many people are in federal "pound-me-in-the-***" prison for marijuana related offenses? Last I check upwards of 50,000 people. My roommate would be in prison right now if he had his scale on him when the cops came. My roommate is one of the least violent people I know. To say he should be in prison is absolutely insane, and anyone who believes so is beyond help.

How many Americans are in prison right now? At least one out of every one-hundred. Do you honestly believe there are that many criminals in our society? There are nearly 20,000 students at my school, and statistically speaking, 200 of them will be in prison at sometime in the future.

Do you see my point? I'm not saying cops are bad people, all I am saying is that they follow the Nuremberg Defense. Notice how we refer to cops as "law enforcement" and not "peace officers" like we used to.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

Wow! In general? Nope we don't think twice. Good grief.

And Razr...a call about kids using profanity and knocking over trash cans is not a high priority, nobody knows what kind of calls the other cops may have been on, what the man power was like to cover that type of call, etc. And I can assure you I've gone on calls like that, and while there got an emergency call and just had to tell the people I had to split (those aren't the words I used), but stuff happens that most people aren't aware of.

I guess but it was 10 at night and they were fighting each other at times so for all I know it could've been a gang initiation. This also wasn't the first time that they did anything either. Appearently they also were egging peoples houses before too. I know it doesn't stand against an emergency call but still if your going to take 30-45 minutes your best off not showing. There are plenty of buses near my neighborhood

[jim416]

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You're wrong. Cops have a tremendous amount of discretion to arrest/not arrest. The only time they might not be is if there is a department sweep set up specifically to get drug users off the streets (who commit a ton of theft to support their habits), or a prostitution sting.

Other than that I can take a crack pipe off of you and not arrest you if I choose not too. That's the real way it is. Discretion plays a big part in what a cop does every day.

As far as being lenient on people who use drugs, cops have and can be.

By the way, the Mexican drug cartels (responsible for 5,000 people murdered on the Mexican border this year) want to thank all the drug users in this country for your contributions. (slight sarcasm).

[RAZRr1275]

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You, as well as a few others who replied, have missed the point of what I said.

What I was saying is that cops will follow orders, regardless of their own person feelings towards a subject. If they are told to round up every pot smoker in town, they will do so. Don't think I'm right, take a look around society. How many people are in federal "pound-me-in-the-***" prison for marijuana related offenses? Last I check upwards of 50,000 people. My roommate would be in prison right now if he had his scale on him when the cops came. My roommate is one of the least violent people I know. To say he should be in prison is absolutely insane, and anyone who believes so is beyond help.

How many Americans are in prison right now? At least one out of every one-hundred. Do you honestly believe there are that many criminals in our society? There are nearly 20,000 students at my school, and statistically speaking, 200 of them will be in prison at sometime in the future.

Do you see my point? I'm not saying cops are bad people, all I am saying is that they follow the Nuremberg Defense. Notice how we refer to cops as "law enforcement" and not "peace officers" like we used to.

Again, Weed is illegal. That means that cops have to enforce the law. You'd stand no chance in court with that arguement

[Double Eights]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

You're wrong. Cops have a tremendous amount of discretion to arrest/not arrest. The only time they might not be is if there is a department sweep set up specifically to get drug users off the streets (who commit a ton of theft to support their habits), or a prostitution sting.

Other than that I can take a crack pipe off of you and not arrest you if I choose not too. That's the real way it is. Discretion plays a big part in what a cop does every day.

As far as being lenient on people who use drugs, cops have and can be.

By the way, the Mexican drug cartels (responsible for 5,000 people murdered on the Mexican border this year) want to thank all the drug users in this country for your contributions. (slight sarcasm).

What happened when alcohol prohibition started? What happened when it ended?

Marijuana is no different.

[jim416]

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I guess but it was 10 at night and they were fighting each other at times so for all I know it could've been a gang initiation. This also wasn't the first time that they did anything either. Appearently they also were egging peoples houses before too. I know it doesn't stand against an emergency call but still if your going to take 30-45 minutes your best off not showing. There are plenty of buses near my neighborhood

Geez, we should have thought of taking the bus. Man....It could have been a gang initiation? Egging peoples houses? Gangs egging people's houses? I cannot tell you why it took 30-45 minutes to respond. Haven't a clue, don't know the size of your town, don't know how many cops are assigned to that beat, don't know if all of them were tied up on calls, don't know if some of them had people in custody/in route to jail, don't know if they were short staffed on that beat. Yeah, the cops should have taken a bus.

[Double Eights]

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Again, Weed is illegal. That means that cops have to enforce the law. You'd stand no chance in court with that arguement

I have my own arguments for my day in court. I wouldn't be arguing discretion as a defense, it wouldn't work.

I am simply stating my opinion on the way cops act towards civilians. I know not all cops are bad people, most aren't. I am referring to the douchebag cops who make the news and who each and every one of us has encountered at least once in our lives.

I know many cops, my brother formerly being one. I probably could have gotten a ticket when I was in my accident in 2007, but the cop let me off with nothing. He understood that it was an accident and that things happen. The cops like him are not the ones I am talking about. In my post I told you I was generalizing.

[Knight165]

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Ahhh...another guy who thinks he knows about police work...but has no idea about how the job is run.

....and the "good thing he didn't have his scale" comment speaks volumes.....

Police Officers don't follow the "Nuremburg defense" ....first off they do not have to.....they are not committing a crime against society by arresting you......what they do follow is a condition of employment, which is to uphold the law(and luckily for a lot of people...there is a little addendum that P.O.'s add as Jim alluded to....with discretion.)

Look...if you're going to break whatever law is out there....regardless of whether you think it's right or not....don't whine about it. I'm not saying don't do anything about it....but whining?....you know what you sound like...
Barretta baby.....he said it best....:wink:

M.K.
Knight165

[jim416]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

What happened when alcohol prohibition started? What happened when it ended?

Marijuana is no different.

Prohibition did not work. Ending it didn't work either. Marijuana laws do. My opinion. Marijuana, under an ounce is an "infraction" in a lot of states and not a crime. People do drive under the influence of marijuana and are just as dangerous as a "drunk" driver.

I believe in California it's a $50.00 fine (under an ounce), but so what? If you are for the legalization of marijuana, then proceed through the grassroots and try to change it.

I can assure you no one is in prison (do not confuse this with jail) for possession of small amounts of marijuana. Possession of large amounts, you bet, and they should be. Possession of under an ounce is cite and release, or use your discretion and warn the person.

[RAZRr1275]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

Geez, we should have thought of taking the bus. Man....It could have been a gang initiation? Egging peoples houses? Gangs egging people's houses? I cannot tell you why it took 30-45 minutes to respond. Haven't a clue, don't know the size of your town, don't know how many cops are assigned to that beat, don't know if all of them were tied up on calls, don't know if some of them had people in custody/in route to jail, don't know if they were short staffed on that beat. Yeah, the cops should have taken a bus.

Oh no I meant that there are plenty of buses for people to escape on. My neighborhood is a smaller one and everyone knows everyone else. Those kids didn't live there.

I get your point about them being tied up though.

[RAZRr1275]

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Here's one thing for Double Eights though. If marajuana is so harmless as you put it then why do people check into rehab to try to get off of it?

[Double Eights]

Re: Parapelegic rams cops and tosses urine from catheter bag

Why shouldn't I "whine" about it?

Should I just sit back and be happy with the amount of unjust laws we have? Should I just sit here and tolerate the abuses by those we hire to protect us?

If no one complains about unjust laws, no laws will ever change.