Police Slam Wrong Man Into a Wall..In coma now

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Thanks.

I really can't decide on this one. When I've seen what over-zealous cops have done before, I can't see definitively where this officer was excessive. Especially when you factor the kid ran before. That's not the way an innocent man behaves if he's not in an emergency situation. The policeman may have just been attempting to push him against the wall like cops do all the time. It would help if there was sound so that we could here how the officer approach the guy.

It just looks like a horrible accident. The officer, & the 2 women who misidentified him in the 1st place, should pay some of his medical bills. But I just don't see this in the same light as Rodney King or the BART incident. If I put myself in the cop's shoes, I really can't say I would have done anything differently. It looks like a horrible, horrible accident.

[RAZRr1275]

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Thanks.

I really can't decide on this one. When I've seen what over-zealous cops have done before, I can't see definitively where this officer was excessive. Especially when you factor the kid ran before. That's not the way an innocent man behaves if he's not in an emergency situation. The policeman may have just been attempting to push him against the wall like cops do all the time. It would help if there was sound so that we could here how the officer approach the guy.

It just looks like a horrible accident. The officer, & the 2 women who misidentified him in the 1st place, should pay some of his medical bills. But I just don't see this in the same light as Rodney King or the BART incident. If I put myself in the cop's shoes, I really can't say I would have done anything differently. It looks like a horrible, horrible accident.

You don't check a guy into a wall like that. He knew where the wall was. You have to be more careful if your going to do that.

[Cebby]

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Especially when you factor the kid ran before. That's not the way an innocent man behaves if he's not in an emergency situation.

It depends on the extent of the running.

If two police officers walked up to him and said something identifying themselves as police, I might agree with that. If two people yelled at him from a distance and told him to stop and started running after him, the running was justified.

Regardless, they wounded an innocent man off of bad information. They should be punished.

[TMagic]

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Am I the only one here that feels that the guy that was hit could have possibly started jogging because he thought the police were going after somebody else, really close by?

I mean, if police officers were running in my direction and possibly yelling, I think I would start to run too. Just to get away from any danger that is possibly close that I'm unaware of. Especially since I wouldn't think they were after me for any reason.

But, yeah. That was a very unfortunate incident. Even worse that it wasn't even the right guy.

[RAZRr1275]

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Am I the only one here that feels that the guy that was hit could have possibly started jogging because he thought the police were going after somebody else, really close by?

I mean, if police officers were running in my direction and possibly yelling, I think I would start to run too. Just to get away from any danger that is possibly close that I'm unaware of. Especially since I wouldn't think they were after me for any reason.

But, yeah. That was a very unfortunate incident. Even worse that it wasn't even the right guy.

I agree with that. If a cop comes up to make an arrest I'd start moving too in case of a shootout.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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You don't check a guy into a wall like that. He knew where the wall was. You have to be more careful if your going to do that.

Like I said, he could have been trying to force him against the wall like cops do all the time. I don't know how much the man weighed, but he went down hard. Like he weighed no more than 100-110 lbs.

And I ask anyone, if you were a cop, looking to apprehend a suspect in a stabbing, who has shown he will bolt, how would you approach him? I mean, we've seen it before. Some policemen will have their guns out & look for any reason to pull the trigger. This cop still attempted to use non-lethal means. Thinking the guy was a desperate felon w/a weapon.

The cop may have been merely trying to knock him off balance against the wall. But not knock him to the ground.

It depends on the extent of the running.

If two police officers walked up to him and said something identifying themselves as police, I might agree with that. If two people yelled at him from a distance and told him to stop and started running after him, the running was justified.

Regardless, they wounded an innocent man off of bad information. They should be punished.

I agree. Like I said, they & the 2 women should have to pay some of his medical bills. 75% maybe. But the victim also has to take some responsibility for running away from the police. It just looks like on my end, unintentionally bad actions led to a tragic result.

Am I the only one here that feels that the guy that was hit could have possibly started jogging because he thought the police were going after somebody else, really close by?

I mean, if police officers were running in my direction and possibly yelling, I think I would start to run too. Just to get away from any danger that is possibly close that I'm unaware of. Especially since I wouldn't think they were after me for any reason.

But, yeah. That was a very unfortunate incident. Even worse that it wasn't even the right guy.

That could have been the reason in the video. But the news report says when they attempted to stop him before, he ran then. Now let's keep in mind, the police have before fabricated something like that to excuse their use of excessive force. So its not like I completely believe their end of the story 100%.

[Scottdau]

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Wrong place wrong time! Just a sad story.

[ILLCHILL]

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If being involved with the news media since I was 14 has tought me anything, it's that EVERY story, as everyone here probably knows, has two, three, four sides to it. I wish we had more information to form a more complete opinion around, but based on what we know......:

Putting myself in the cop's shoes, it seemed like he intended to check the guy into the wall, but not just his head. I thought even from watching it the guy's body would go up against the wall, so it seems like an unfortunate circumstance put salt in the wound of a poor decision to begin with. I always feel torn with this stuff because all cops see is the worst of people and people have reacted violentally (sometimes fatal) towards them.

So ultimately, bad decision by the cop, but wouldn't even be a story if the guy was a foot closer to the wall. I can't get on the cop too much, hopefully the victim recovers quickly and the city pays his full medical expenses.

[Jukeman]

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That cop must play Madden alot lol.....


The victim wasnt "running" IMO, it look like he was confused....

[J0nnD0ugh]

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That cop must play Madden alot lol.....


The victim wasnt "running" IMO, it look like he was confused....

Read the news link.

[Jukeman]

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Read the news link.

I dont care what someone wrote up, in the video the victim wasnt "running" while the cop used the hit stick....Thats cheating...

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I dont care what someone wrote up, in the video the victim wasnt "running" while the cop hit sticked him....

You should care. The police report says he ran when first approached by the cops. Some time earlier than the video. Like I said, read the link. That way you'll be fully informed before you offer an erroneous opinion.

[Jukeman]

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You should care. The police report says he ran when first approached by the cops. Some time earlier than the video. Like I said, read the link. That way you'll be fully informed before you offer an erroneous opinion.

I did read the link but it still dont take away the fact that the guy was the wrong person nor does it take away the fact that in the video, they cop clearly was in range to restrain him properly or even tased him....

Even if the guy was the criminal, he still shouldnt reacted that way....I know alot of cops, I know what they are suppose to do and not do, heck Ive even been accepted to the acadamy but I chose not to do so....

Yea, its the heat of the moment and yes they are only human, but that is WHY certain people are choosen to become cops, this is why you take tests and do training, so any OS cop tells me that he wasnt wrong and "he is only human and you dont know whats its like untill youve done it" is BS to me.....You guys know what you signed up for and why yall train the way yall do....

Thats like a boxer making an excuse for biting someones ear off because he was getting beat up....

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I did read the link but it still dont take away the fact that the guy was the wrong person nor does it take away the fact that in the video, they cop clearly was in range to restrain him properly or even tased him....

Even if the guy was the criminal, he still shouldnt reacted that way....I know alot of cops, I know what they are suppose to do and not do, heck Ive even been accepted to the acadamy but I chose not to do so....

Yea, its the heat of the moment and yes they are only human, but that is WHY certain people are choosen to become cops, this is why you take tests and do training, so any OS cop tells me that he wasnt wrong and "he is only human and you dont know whats its like untill youve done it" is BS to me.....You guys know what you signed up for and why yall train the way yall do....

Thats like a boxer making an excuse for biting someones ear off because he was getting beat up....

1. Don't act like the fact he possibly ran before has no bearing on what transpired.

2. Since you know so much about police work, how was he supposed to apprehend a potential knife-weilding fugitive? Isn't it normal to make the suspect face the wall & then frisk him for a weapon? Was the cop supposed to go, "Excuse me dear sir? Sorry, to bother you. My colleagues that you met before told me you appeared to be in a hurry. So my apologies. But I wonder if I could trouble you to face the wall? My companions & I would also like to feel you up to see if you are holding any sharp utensils. Is that too much? We'd just like to clear up some troubling business that has come to our attention."

I have been on this board before condemning over zealous bullies in uniform. But not every tragic mistake from a cop is due to his being gung ho & reckless.

[JBH3]

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1. Don't act like the fact he possibly ran before has no bearing on what transpired.

2. Since you know so much about police work, how was he supposed to apprehend a potential knife-weilding fugitive? Isn't it normal to make the suspect face the wall & then frisk him for a weapon? Was the cop supposed to go, "Excuse me dear sir? Sorry, to bother you. My colleagues that you met before told me you appeared to be in a hurry. So my apologies. But I wonder if I could trouble you to face the wall? My companions & I would also like to feel you up to see if you are holding any sharp utensils. Is that too much? We'd just like to clear up some troubling business that has come to our attention."

I have been on this board before condemning over zealous bullies in uniform. But not every tragic mistake from a cop is due to his being gung ho & reckless.

Well said...in response to bleeding heart 1,034.