Police Slam Wrong Man Into a Wall..In coma now

[Jukeman]

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1. Don't act like the fact he possibly ran before has no bearing on what transpired.

2. Since you know so much about police work, how was he supposed to apprehend a potential knife-weilding fugitive? Isn't it normal to make the suspect face the wall & then frisk him for a weapon? Was the cop supposed to go, "Excuse me dear sir? Sorry, to bother you. My colleagues that you met before told me you appeared to be in a hurry. So my apologies. But I wonder if I could trouble you to face the wall? My companions & I would also like to feel you up to see if you are holding any sharp utensils. Is that too much? We'd just like to clear up some troubling business that has come to our attention."

I have been on this board before condemning over zealous bullies in uniform. But not every tragic mistake from a cop is due to his being gung ho & reckless.

The cop was a couple of feet away from tge wall, they guy Ray LewisED him....

Dont cops have tasers????

People make mistakes and this story is not why im posting in here(or any other police thread) my real concern is that some of the cops here say this stuff is ok....

Lol and they wonder why it a cop thread every week....If they dont get it, maybe 100+ other cops dont neither SMH....

[CMH]

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Just because a police report says the guy was running doesn't mean he was.

I've been in less significant situation while in college (much less significant), but the point is, after reading the police report, I was up against a wall. The report made it seem like my friends and I had bad intentions minutes before their arrival. He claimed we had spotted him from a few hundred yards away, slammed our doors closed, and started to hide our alcohol as a result.

The story was bogus. But, he didn't lie. Not exactly. He took what he saw and evaluated the situation based on his history in dealing with other kids in similar situations. I was lucky enough to have the time to break down the entire story to those ruling the case and they were able to see how the police report was based on feelings rather than facts.

I'm not saying I was angry with the cop. I understood where he was coming from. But, I was still being wrongly accused of a crime because he had tabbed me and my friends as similar to others in our position.

Let's make this clear. I'm not saying the officer in the thread's story is lying. I'm not saying I hate him or other officers. But, review this in an unbiased position. There are people in this thread that see the kid jogging in fear. There are others that see the kid running away. There are two sides to the story. Wouldn't it make more sense to say that this is inconclusive rather than go hard at one position?

Also, it's wrong to hate the cop in this situation. Should he have gone full force on the guy? Well, because the guy was innocent, we'll naturally agree that the answer is no. But, what if he had a gun and was about to use it? The officer doesn't know this, but he has to assume. I'm going to assume that the officer's opinion is that the kid ran (the report says so, right?) so the officer's reaction - based on the facts he's received already - are to take the man down before he attempts to run. He did the right thing considering the situation. He didn't know the guy was innocent. He was told the man was guilty of a crime. So he acted. And it's not clear if the guy was running away or jogging away out of fear, so it's hard to place the blame on the officer.

That being said, I get it when Matt comes in and talks about the police force. I agree with him that officers get a bad rep. But, I'm sure he has to understand as well that everyone gets a bad rep because of one person. One person does something wrong and everyone is wrongly labeled. There are people that still call basketball players thugs just because Ron Artest jumped into the stands to fight. Do you think the other 700 players in the league would do that? No. But one did so people assume. It's what happens with steroids in baseball. It happens with kids that dress or act a certain way. One messes it up for everyone.

It doesn't make it right, but it's been like that since childhood. I still recall all the times I had to stay in class after school because one kid was bad. The whole class had to suffer. I didn't do anything wrong. But I was still punished.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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The cop was a couple of feet away from tge wall, they guy Ray LewisED him....

Dont cops have tasers????

What if he tasered him, fell & hit his head? Would you think it was simple mistake then? What if he didn't end up in a coma, but the headline was, "Cops taser man who turns out to be innocent"? Would you change then?

I'm sorry, but the minute those women ID'd the wrong man, it looks like that cop was pushed to a tragic ending. & if the victim did run away from police, he made his circumstances more life threatening.

People make mistakes and this story is not why im posting in here(or any other police thread) my real concern is that some of the cops here say this stuff is ok....

Lol and they wonder why it a cop thread every week....If they dont get it, maybe 100+ other cops dont neither SMH....

I can agree w/you there. Those officers that excuse clear wrongful conduct on the part of their bretheren is the reason why there is a blue wall protecting the bad cops. If the police policed the police, we would have less corruption. Instead when they see it, the majority back each other up, make up a fictitious story, & rationalize the behavior.

[Cebby]

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Well said...in response to bleeding heart 1,034.

You realize that the guy did nothing wrong and is in a coma, do you not?

[mgoblue]

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This is just a couple of horrible mistakes combining...First the wrong ID, then the unlucky aspect of the guy jacking his head on the wall...99% of the time a dude lands normally and isn't seriously injured. I wouldn't blame the cop for brutality or anything, but it is a sad accident.

You realize that the guy did nothing wrong and is in a coma, do you not?

Also, why do innocent people run from the cops? I never understood that. If a bunch of cops come running at me yelling "Police" I'm standing still with my hands in the air. The instant you run from police you're asking for trouble. I wouldn't call "running from the cops" doing "nothing wrong" IMO.

[Cebby]

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Also, why do innocent people run from the cops? I never understood that. If a bunch of cops come running at me yelling "Police" I'm standing still with my hands in the air. The instant you run from police you're asking for trouble. I wouldn't call "running from the cops" doing "nothing wrong" IMO.

If he was "running" from the cops, he was doing a pretty terrible job of it.

Considering he ran right into the police officer instead of running out of the doors, I'd say it's questionable at best that he was running.

[mgoblue]

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If he was "running" from the cops, he was doing a pretty terrible job of it.

Considering he ran right into the police officer instead of running out of the doors, I'd say it's questionable at best that he was running.

Perhaps, I was just going off of this quote from the article that says he ran and was chased:

The deputies, who were working the graveyard shift while patrolling for Metro Transit, chased after Harris. He ran away. Investigators later determined that Harris was not involved in the stabbing.

"The bottom line is we don't know why he ran,” said Sgt. John Urquhart

I get the impression that he wouldn't have been "hit sticked" if he wasn't running from the cops. He's not to blame, that just escalated the situation.

[KG]

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Also, why do innocent people run from the cops? I never understood that. If a bunch of cops come running at me yelling "Police" I'm standing still with my hands in the air. The instant you run from police you're asking for trouble. I wouldn't call "running from the cops" doing "nothing wrong" IMO.

I have a feeling the kid just panicked despite what it looked like on the video. Of course it was the wrong thing to do but running is a natural instinct that some people have.

There's a joke from Cedric the Entertainer that went something like, "I'd bet that if I got up right now and starting running towards the exit, some people would get up and run for no damn reason."

Just an instinct that some people have.

[JBH3]

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I have a feeling the kid just panicked despite what it looked like on the video. Of course it was the wrong thing to do but running is a natural instinct that some people have.

There's a joke from Cedric the Entertainer that went something like, "I'd bet that if I got up right now and starting running towards the exit, some people would get up and run for no damn reason."

Just an instinct that some people have.

That joke is funny...wasn't it from Kings of Comedy. I remember the look on his face, and the way he was making like he was running too...hilarious.

[Jukeman]

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I have a feeling the kid just panicked despite what it looked like on the video. Of course it was the wrong thing to do but running is a natural instinct that some people have.

There's a joke from Cedric the Entertainer that went something like, "I'd bet that if I got up right now and starting running towards the exit, some people would get up and run for no damn reason."

Just an instinct that some people have.

Lmao that came to my head when I seen the video

[Cebby]

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Perhaps, I was just going off of this quote from the article that says he ran and was chased:

I get the impression that he wouldn't have been "hit sticked" if he wasn't running from the cops. He's not to blame, that just escalated the situation.

At this point, going off what the police are saying is like going off the lady who's interviewed immediately after a cop hits someone to subdue the person and says that they were beating him with baseball bats and chainsaws.

I mean, let's be honest, what are the cops going to say in any case like this? I doubt the Rodney King police report said that the cops unnecessarily beat the guy with their sticks, nor do I think that the BART shooting report said "after the person was subdued, the officer stood up, drew his weapon, and executed the man."

At this point, until I hear from the other camp, I'm only going off the fax.

[totalownership]

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When I make my posts I go off of MY life experiences. See some here may "hate the cops" because it was once a good rap song. Others whatever. I go from what "I KNOW". I've had good experiences and bad experiences. Experiences when officers FLAT OUT LIED!

I had experiences where officers have done me a great solid. Where they had me dead to rights but they evaluate the situation and say there's no harm to anyone and we're not gonna jam you up over minor stuff just go take care of this or that. Then i had dudes, I wont even call them officers, some chump with a badge, who just go out their way to try and jam you up. Fortunately they don't succeed.

I remember this chump pulls me over for running a light. I know for a fact that I didn't run the light so he pulls me over and writes the ticket looking all around my car. Nothing in the back seat but college text books and all the necessities for college. So when we finally get to court he says his piece and I say mine. Watch the judge and see how he reacts to other people. Pay CLOSE attention as it can help you. He asks me if I had any witnesses or evidence. I say "NO" whereas other guys are saying yes and then when the judge asks for the witnesses or evidence the guy ain't there or they ain't got it. So I told the judge point blank in these words "I did NOT run a red light. I'm a comp sci major and an ex military intelligence specialist. I don't know everything in life but I DO know the difference between red, yellow and green and that light was NOT red. That's all I have". Case dismissed. I did see red that day though, when I looked over in the cops face . That chump took it personal and loss.

So what does that mean. You get a little more cynical and angry then you were the day before. Then something else happens and you get a little more cynical and angry and it goes on and on till.....

[JBH3]

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When I make my posts I go off of MY life experiences. See some here may "hate the cops" because it was once a good rap song. Others whatever. I go from what "I KNOW". I've had good experiences and bad experiences. Experiences when officers FLAT OUT LIED!

I had experiences where officers have done me a great solid. Where they had me dead to rights but they evaluate the situation and say there's no harm to anyone and we're not gonna jam you up over minor stuff just go take care of this or that. Then i had dudes, I wont even call them officers, some chump with a badge, who just go out their way to try and jam you up. Fortunately they don't succeed.

I remember this chump pulls me over for running a light. I know for a fact that I didn't run the light so he pulls me over and writes the ticket looking all around my car. Nothing in the back seat but college text books and all the necessities for college. So when we finally get to court he says his piece and I say mine. Watch the judge and see how he reacts to other people. Pay CLOSE attention as it can help you. He asks me if I had any witnesses or evidence. I say "NO" whereas other guys are saying yes and then when the judge asks for the witnesses or evidence the guy ain't there or they ain't got it. So I told the judge point blank in these words "I did NOT run a red light. I'm a comp sci major and an ex military intelligence specialist. I don't know everything in life but I DO know the difference between red, yellow and green and that light was NOT red. That's all I have". Case dismissed. I did see red that day though, when I looked over in the cops face . That chump took it personal and loss.

So what does that mean. You get a little more cynical and angry then you were the day before. Then something else happens and you get a little more cynical and angry and it goes on and on till.....

I think you make a good point here, and I also think that given our military service we show respect to every officer - which goes a long way. Some, like the guy who pulled you over for running the red light, quickly lose our respect.

I've been in more than enough sticky situations w/ friends of mine who never served in the military. Where, like you stated, you were dead to rights. In these situations my friends just wanted to blatantly disrespect the officers for no apparent reason...I guess just because it's cool to say F**k the police. Their butts were only saved, because I showed respect, and the officers respected me because of it and I calmed my friends down so we could go on w/o getting into any trouble.

Sure there are rotten apples everywhere, and one badcop can ruin it for a lot but a little respect goes a long way.

[totalownership]

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I think you make a good point here, and I also think that given our military service we show respect to every officer - which goes a long way. Some, like the guy who pulled you over for running the red light, quickly lose our respect.

I've been in more than enough sticky situations w/ friends of mine who never served in the military. Where, like you stated, you were dead to rights. In these situations my friends just wanted to blatantly disrespect the officers for no apparent reason...I guess just because it's cool to say F**k the police. Their butts were only saved, because I showed respect, and the officers respected me because of it and I calmed my friends down so we could go on w/o getting into any trouble.

Sure there are rotten apples everywhere, and one badcop can ruin it for a lot but a little respect goes a long way.

Yeah and it's not about "Yes sir , No sir". I'm just going to talk to you like a man. I talk with them the way I wanted to be talked to. I'm not looking for anyone to kiss my behind and I'm definitely not puckering up my lips. You give respect as a man and expect to get some back. But we all know not everyone can keep their end of the bargain in that exchange like the loser who pulled me over.

[CMH]

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That should go for everyone and not just cops.