Town scolds mayor over his skimpy skirt

[Phobia]

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I agree with that statement grace. I am not racist/homophobia/etc etc. But my personal stance on it is that I disagree with their choice of lifestyle. While that means to me I wish the world was not so open to just say "Ohhhhh its ok if u want to dress like a women". I wish people stood up and said "This is not right, you should not walk around town in a mini skirt". But like I said that is my personal view on the situation.

Matter of fact a have friends who are gay and have not a single thing against them. They also have respect for others and won't openly start making out in the middle of people and such. Just as a normal couple will limit that kind of behavior. I feel the cross dressing thing is over board.

I don't know maybe I need to stay out of all this. I will never understand how this is accepted by some. I look at that video and find it revolting. Little kids seeing this guy walking down the road are all screwed up not knowing if it is a man or a women. It just brings up soooooo many things that are changing in the world around us and not all of them are good.

[Stumbleweed]

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It's hard to understand unless you've really talked to a transgendered individual (crossdressers are slightly different in the sense that they generally aren't always crossdressing, but just as valid in the vast majority of cases)... I don't expect people who haven't had that experience to understand the reasoning and the need for them to dress/modify their bodies in the way they do. I just wish people that didn't understand these things (especially those who don't care to learn) didn't push their ill-informed (and often hateful) views upon others to the extent that they take away their rights and create another generation of people who can't accept human beings for what they are and treat them as equals.

[deaduck]

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You're not gonna change me, I'm not gonna change you...lets leave it at that, eh?

No. I'm not likely to leave it at "that".

I'm not the one who made a sweeping statement that what you believed was the "TRUTH" for everybody. You and me will never agree as long as you hold to that axiom of thought.

You start calling these things your opinions and not facts then we can agree to disagree.

[The Iceman]

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What the hell?

I opened this thread for humor and fun, but no, y'all had to ruin it...

I think it's hilarious, personally. You go girl...er dude...er...durl?

I think its Gude .....

[deaduck]

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I will never understand how this is accepted by some. I look at that video and find it revolting. Little kids seeing this guy walking down the road are all screwed up not knowing if it is a man or a women. It just brings up soooooo many things that are changing in the world around us and not all of them are good.

I can dig that you have those feeling Phobia but I grew up in the 70's in a neighborhood with a variety of open lifestyles/cultures and the kids from that neighborhood didn't grow up "screwed up". We all grew up open minded and willing to accept the differences in others. If I had been "sheilded" from things that even my parents disagreed with( or felt was wrong and just didn't force that on me too), It wouldn't have made me a better child. Just one with a less educated world view.

[Phobia]

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I can dig that you have those feeling Phobia but I grew up in the 70's in a neighborhood with a variety of open lifestyles/cultures and the kids from that neighborhood didn't grow up "screwed up". We all grew up open minded and willing to accept the differences in others. If I had been "sheilded" from things that even my parents disagreed with( or felt was wrong and just didn't force that on me too), It wouldn't have made me a better child. Just one with a less educated world view.

You most likely are 100% correct and I am just a narrow minded prick :wink:. I don't know man, I just have a issue with guys dressing as women. Nothing about their sexual preference has anything to do with it. I mean he could be straight as a arrow and I would still find it revolting. There is just something very sickening to see a man in a mini skirt. I like man things, Beer, tits, strip clubs, football, etc.........man in a mini skirt lol not so much!!!!!!!!!!

I also think we all need to try and back out this debate. It is teetering on the edge.

[Stumbleweed]

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I can dig that you have those feeling Phobia but I grew up in the 70's in a neighborhood with a variety of open lifestyles/cultures and the kids from that neighborhood didn't grow up "screwed up". We all grew up open minded and willing to accept the differences in others. If I had been "sheilded" from things that even my parents disagreed with( or felt was wrong and just didn't force that on me too), It wouldn't have made me a better child. Just one with a less educated world view.

Exactly. People act like seeing a transgendered or crossdressing (or gay, which is even crazier) will turn their kids gay or something. That notion is ridiculous in itself, but that's your job as a parent, bottom line... if you don't understand the issues enough to explain them to your child, then that's your problem, not the adults living their lives as they see fit. If you can't explain that a person's outside appearance and/or sexual preference is their choice and that (if it's a teacher/other rolemodel figure) all that matters is that they treat you well and are a good person, then I don't know what to tell you.

Move to a conservative Christian enclave in Idaho if you don't want to see openly GLBT people, but even there, you'll just have people on the down low. If I had a dime for every conservative public official who spoke out against gay rights (or for the "sanctity of marriage") and then either cheated on his/her spouse or got caught doing something homosexual on the sly, I'd have a lot of ****in dimes.

EDIT: Ha, I'm officially amazed that this isn't locked yet... the title must not've tipped the mods off to what was awaiting them inside.

[Brankles]

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Racism... Not cool.
Sexist... Not cool.
Ageism... Not cool.

Homophobia... Good to go!

I'm going to respond to this emotionally and religiously unattached and try to work this out logically.

Homophobia understandably exists because if 100% of the human race were homosexual, we would cease to be.

The three things you listed as being "not cool" to hate are three things that a person has no control over. You're born as a man/woman, you're born as a certain race, and you age as time passes. You cannot change that. Homosexuals say they are born that way, but so do murderers, pedophiles and people who like animals as more than pets. Just because you have an aversion to do something since birth doesn't mean it's OK to do it, nor is it OK to do certain things because of the environment you were raised in. Many pedophiles and homosexuals were abused as children and they ended up acting the way they do because of that, because that experience ruined their perceptions of certain things. Some psychologists would say that homosexuality is a disorder as a result of bad experiences in one's life.

Dr. Gregory Dickson, whose doctoral thesis is on the relationship between a mother and son in the development of homosexuality, found that 49% of the homosexuals he surveyed said they had been molested, compared to less than 2% of heterosexuals. Other research confirms what therapists have known for decades: Homosexuals are made, not born. And they are frequently “made” by older men who molest them as youngsters.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/724179/posts

(Side note: I hate Free Republic, but those numbers they gave are shocking)

Now personally, if a man or woman has decided they're gay, I say be happy. It's a lifestyle choice. Like any other lifestyle choice, if it is not harmful to society or to me, I say play on playa. I may not agree with it, but it I'm not going to hate somebody for it.

As far as the topic at hand, I could care less if there's a homosexual running my town or my state or even my country as long as they get the job done. Getting the job done means maintaining their dignity, creating influence and gaining respect in the government. Wearing a mini skirt, a ridiculous red wig, and being a transgender person creates a large amount of hindrance in those categories, especially when he's flaunting it the way he is. I would be upset too if I were a citizen of this town, as this guy isn't able to do his job 100% effectively. Just change the mini skirt dress into something more professional and get a less outrageous wig. And maybe tone the boob size down a notch, those things are too much.

[deaduck]

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You most likely are 100% correct and I am just a narrow minded prick :wink:. I don't know man, I just have a issue with guys dressing as women. Nothing about their sexual preference has anything to do with it. I mean he could be straight as a arrow and I would still find it revolting. There is just something very sickening to see a man in a mini skirt. I like man things, Beer, tits, strip clubs, football, etc.........man in a mini skirt lol not so much!!!!!!!!!!

I also think we all need to try and back out this debate. It is teetering on the edge.

Bro, I got no issue with you not finding THAT mayor in that dress unattractive. It was not a good look.

It doesn't make anybody a "narrow minded prick" actually it makes you more of fashionista. Just kidding.

I like man things too and I don't find men in dresses a good look but I've grown past the "shock" of it and don't hold it to be more than a persons choice. And we all have the right to disagree on choices/opinions.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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Umm, actually they are the same thing. It's not a "right to be gay", it's a "right to be gay while also have the same rights that everyone else has"... the gay part shouldn't matter, just the assurance that they're treated the same as everyone else. I don't care if you think it's a choice or not, denying people rights for a lifestyle difference is just as un-American as denying women the right to vote or any other civil rights issues that's come up. They didn't commit a crime (the only official reason that we deny civil rights to people), they didn't hurt anyone, and therefore it's not okay for outside entities to parse their rights out according to what they feel they deserve... bottom line.

Exactly who is holding back gays in this country? From what I've seen, this place seems to embrace it more and more as time goes by. The fact that a man who parades around in a manner like this was capable of becoming a mayor speaks volumes about what's accepted in 2009. So what is the issue right now? They can't get married? They can already adopt children, so I guess they need a ceremony to feel complete. As a black man, when I look at the history of this country and then think about the things homosexuals are crying about, I don't feel a lot of sympathy.

It's fine that you're disgusted by this or wouldn't want a gay person teaching your kid at school, that's on you and your personal views. But I'll never understand the need for people to proselytize and push their views on other adult human beings (and try to enforce it via denying them legal rights/privileges that heterosexuals and ideally everyone enjoy) who generally have nothing to do with their daily lives. Yeah, if you find out your kid's teacher is a crossdresser and you're uncomfortable with it (probably because you don't understand it enough to explain it to a child), do what you wanna do... but supporting denying that person's rights to run for public office, to adopt children of their own, to marry whomever they choose is just asinine to me.

The only thing a little kid needs to know about a crossdresser is that it's not something they should be doing. Stating that I just "i just don't understand enought to explain it to a child" seems a bit condescending to me. The problem with this country is that we accept too much. Having a 6 year old staring at some man dressed like a woman everyday just doesn't seem healthy to me.

Also, do you think a school would knowingly hire a person who is an open crossdresser? It's not right, but they would all expect the backlash from parents with the same mindset as you and would just find a reason not to hire the person, much as employers do with persons with disabilities because they don't want to have to make accommodations... if they can justify hiring someone else ("they were more qualified") then they certainly will.

If the school has any common sense they wouldn't hire a cross dresser because that's reason enough. If he kept that behind closed doors they would be none the wiser. I used to work with a company that got people with disabilities job so I know the struggle they go through. The world isn't a fair place, but that's just the way it is.

I'd have a problem with my kid going to a school and having a teacher who said half the things you just expressed. Give me the qualified transgendered individual -- then I could have a nice talk with my kid and make them a more open-minded and compassionate individual who accepts people for who they are and judges them on their own merits as human beings instead of just accepting society-at-large's distaste for a large segment of the population at face value... Win-win.

The world isn't some Utopia where everything is all good. There's right and wrong, and our perceptions of those things differ. If my child had a cross dressing teacher I'd be pulling him out of there immediately. You can still teach acceptance of individuals without glorifying or embracing a lifestyle you don't support.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Onlybygrace shames all Christians

Yall will die out eventually, unfortunately I won't get the satisfaction of seeing it in my lifetime.

[Stumbleweed]

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Homosexuals say they are born that way, but so do murderers, pedophiles and people who like animals as more than pets. Just because you have an aversion to do something since birth doesn't mean it's OK to do it, nor is it OK to do certain things because of the environment you were raised in.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/724179/posts

(Side note: I hate Free Republic, but those numbers they gave are shocking)

LOL, I can't believe you quoted "facts" from a document from the Traditional Values Coalition with a sub-topic "Homosexual Agenda", which asserts that being born gay is an "urban legend"...

As to the first point, those people (pedophiles, bestiality uh, enthusiasts) are hurting people/things who don't have the capability to make sound decisions for themselves. Taking advantage of a child, whether due to in inborn proclivity or due to a mental shift caused by abuse earlier in life is inherently wrong simply because the child isn't a capable party to the relationship/encounter. Same with animals -- we defend them (the cute ones that we don't want to eat, anyway) because they, for the most part, don't have the mental faculties to defend themselves from a human perpetrator.

If gay people were going around and ****ing kids (numbers don't back up that most pedophiles are gay, BTW) then maybe there's a concern, but those aren't gay people, those are pedophiles (some of whom also happen to be gay). When two mentally-capable adults choose to have sex or build a romantic relationship with one another, that's their decision and it's beyond me why people want to change that... seems incredibly narcissistic to me to push your views that heavily on others.

And it's hilarious to me that people act as if this (GLBT issues, pedophilia, crossdressing, etc.) is a new thing... you must not know anything about Greek, Roman, Egyptian, etc. societies, because none of these things are new, but the societal perceptions of them have shifted over the generations.

EDIT: LOL, ex goin' hard. I agree with you 100% though, as a non-Christian... I have zero problem with religion except for the intolerance it breeds and the people who want to push their personal choices onto others or act as if they know all the answers.

[Whitesox]

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I am going to say my peace, and leave.

I personally don't care what lifestyle a person lives. I don't care how anyone feels about these lifestyles, I think a person should do what makes them happy.


But if you would not vote for someone who could do their job better than their opponent, just because of their lifestyle, then I see a problem here.

Also, SMH at this whole thread.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Wow homos were compared to murderers and pedos? Wow

I wish I could see you people die out in my lifetime I really do

[Stumbleweed]

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Keep hope alive, ex... keep hope alive.

EDIT: Not speaking about anyone here or wishing harm on anyone... just wish that mindset would be put out to pasture by this point in our shared history.