Drop Outs are Killing the Economy

[JBH3]

Re: Drop Outs are Killing the Economy

People fail to think what would happen if a good chunk of those people stopped getting assistance. For alot of welfare recipients, that check is whats keeping them from a real life of crime. So a mother of 4 should lose her food stamps because she tested positive for weed (a misdemeanor)? In this economy? What choice are you giving her?

Its the principle of the matter...and as if the weed and drug use isn't part of the problem here.

A mother of 4 should be putting funds towards things OTHER THAN weed. It's a vicious circle either way. Allow the drug use to occur, and enable the sort of environment that will spawn out of that, OR require a drug test. IMO you'd weed out a lot of the parasites, and IF they do become criminals they become criminals. You can't stop someone's freewill. So by allowing people to milk welfare given the reason you illustrate above you're trying to put lipstick on a pig.

[JBH3]

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Thats easy to say but not realistic. Especially when most people on welfare live in areas where drug use is prevalent.

Not realistic is expecting welfare to work when people are using the resource to fund a drug habit, or using welfare to supplement their income while hard dollars go to their drug use. Expecting growth from THAT is unrealistic.

1,000 dollars to relocate them once is better than 1,000 every month.

It would be more cost effective in a general sense. Still too many circumstances to suggest it would actually work.

[EWRMETS]

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Not realistic is expecting welfare to work when people are using the resource to fund a drug habit, or using welfare to supplement their income while hard dollars go to their drug use. Expecting growth from THAT is unrealistic.



It would be more cost effective in a general sense. Still too many circumstances to suggest it would actually work.

What evidence do you have that so many people are using welfare for drugs?

[DocHolliday]

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How bout they get relocated to your neighborhood?

I have a feeling you wouldn't like that.

[MassNole]

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Trust me you won't, a lot of the trash from NYC got relocated to Western Mass through some Gov't program. Guess what followed....a steep rise in gang activity and crime. The cities of Holyoke and Pittsfield were destroyed and property values plummeted. The same thing also happened in Rutland, VT as part of the same program, but the property devaluation was no where near as steep, since well it was worthless to begin with.

[aholbert32]

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Not realistic is expecting welfare to work when people are using the resource to fund a drug habit, or using welfare to supplement their income while hard dollars go to their drug use. Expecting growth from THAT is unrealistic.



It would be more cost effective in a general sense. Still too many circumstances to suggest it would actually work.

Fund a drug habit? How many welfare recipients are receiving actual checks anymore? Most just receive health benefits and food stamps. Drug dealers dont tend to accept food stamps as payment for heroin or crack. Also there is a five year limitation (less in some states) and a work requirement in most states. This isnt the 80-early 90's anymore. People arent living 10-20 yrs off of welfare checks.

Welfare is a big ****ing red herring. Its like any government program...it works well for some people and there are others who abuse it.

[aholbert32]

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Trust me you won't, a lot of the trash from NYC got relocated to Western Mass through some Gov't program. Guess what followed....a steep rise in gang activity and crime. The cities of Holyoke and Pittsfield were destroyed and property values plummeted. The same thing also happened in Rutland, VT as part of the same program, but the property devaluation was no where near as steep, since well it was worthless to begin with.

Same thing happened in Baltimore. Tore down all of the projects in the city, gave vouchers to residents so they could move to the County (the suburbs) and crime spiked in the County. Its not like a drug dealer is going to stop selling just because they moved.

[MassNole]

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And really if someone uses that money to buy a dime bag as a means of self medicating, people shouldn't judge

[mgoblue]

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Same thing happened in Baltimore. Tore down all of the projects in the city, gave vouchers to residents so they could move to the County (the suburbs) and crime spiked in the County. Its not like a drug dealer is going to stop selling just because they moved.

Yeah...sounds dumb, but after watching a lot of Gangland on History Channel you realize that these people don't want to change...if they move to another city they either start up a new gang or join an existing one. Some people just don't want to improve themselves and get legit when the appearance of easy money through drugs exists.

[MassNole]

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Yeah then slowly from these relocation areas it moved into the other areas of Western Massachusetts. The town I live in is starting to feel the effect the past 4-5 years and the future is bleak. Once I have my 5 years in to transfer my license we are getting he hell out of Western Mass.

[yankeesgiants]

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Yeah then slowly from these relocation areas it moved into the other areas of Western Massachusetts. The town I live in is starting to feel the effect the past 4-5 years and the future is bleak. Once I have my 5 years in to transfer my license we are getting he hell out of Western Mass.

This is true! Living in Boston myself, we tore down most of the projects in the city and gave the residents vouchers to move elseware. In return, working class cities like Fall River, Brockton, Lawrence and Randolph have become dumps due to crime and gang activity that those residents have bring.

[JBH3]

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What evidence do you have that so many people are using welfare for drugs?

A wife who's a teacher and a mom who's a social services supervisor. Both have seen the system grossly take advantage of.

[Jukeman]

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Fund a drug habit? How many welfare recipients are receiving actual checks anymore? Most just receive health benefits and food stamps. Drug dealers dont tend to accept food stamps as payment for heroin or crack. Also there is a five year limitation (less in some states) and a work requirement in most states. This isnt the 80-early 90's anymore. People arent living 10-20 yrs off of welfare checks.

Welfare is a big ****ing red herring. Its like any government program...it works well for some people and there are others who abuse it.

not to mention access cards....I dont think drug dealers take credit...

Like you said, this isnt the 80's TV is outdated....

Besides, there are people in business suits who abused drugs every day........

Most people who are recieving "goverment cheese" arent drug addicts...

If they are, more than likely they are getting the money from something else..

Now days(actually dont know how it worked backed then) you have requirements(working, in school,) to get section 8 housing(Philadelphia)

[MassNole]

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This is true! Living in Boston myself, we tore down most of the projects in the city and gave the residents vouchers to move elseware. In return, working class cities like Fall River, Brockton, Lawrence and Randolph have become dumps due to crime and gang activity that those residents have bring.

Don't forget towns like Haverhill and North Andover that got hit just as hard with those relocations. Not to mention the overcrowding that instantly occurred in those public schools without tax revenue to offset the increase. I know in Haverhill they had to open up a brand new high school to help a specific demographic of those transfers.

Growing up in Vermont I saw first hand how bad it could get quickly. Prior to taking in numerous castoffs from other large cities there was no gang activity. Within a year Rutland was overrun with a turf war between the Latin Kings and another rival gang. Fortunately the epicenter of Vermont (Burlington area) managed to keep the problem at bay by basically engaging in unconstitutional behavior as a municipality. That said the tough decision kept Burlington as one of the nicest cities and best places to live in the US.

[aholbert32]

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A wife who's a teacher and a mom who's a social services supervisor. Both have seen the system grossly take advantage of.

You need to come with something better than that. I have several family members in social services (Feds and State) and they have seen both sides of it. Many misue it and many use it the right way. I still wouldnt base my opinion solely on what their individual experiences are. Also, I dont know how a teacher would know whether people are using welfare for drugs other than stories she's heard from students. I've heard stories of welfare misuse too but not enough to make broad statements like you have.