Drop Outs are Killing the Economy

[CMH]

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You almost have to start a 30k just to make ends meet.

Exactly.

Entry-level positions will typically pay 30k.

30k isn't easy living, but a person with normal expenses (even in an expensive city) can make ends meet at that salary.

But, they can't expect to dine out or go out for drinks every week with friends. Fun is limited. It's the reality of life and someone's career choice.

Unfortunately, a lot of the new generation of workers don't understand this. So when they make 30k, they think they're getting ripped off or they refuse to continue working at that rate.

I'm sure that's why the age of leaving the nest continues to rise (not a bad thing). Probably better to take that entry-level position, help the parents a bit all while you save, and wait for that promotion before moving out on your own.

I know we've had a thread before where enough people commented on never having that opportunity because they lived on their own since graduating high school. Everyone has different situations.

But, my point, really, is: it bothers me when I hear people say that there are no jobs. There are jobs. I can quit my job right now and find a job. I swear to you. Will I find a job I like or a job that pays me the same money? Probably not. But, it's better to get paid than to worry over your finances because your 401k is being exhausted to make ends meet.

[Sting]

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I'm leaving this thread. This is depressing me.

[DocHolliday]

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The problem with this country is that it is full of Lazy people. That and the whole "Ill work to pay for your laziness" crap.

The government needs to back off and let people that want to work, innovate, and prosper, do their thing.

[Jukeman]

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The problem with this country is that it is full of Lazy people. That and the whole "Ill work to pay for your laziness" crap.

The government needs to back off and let people that want to work, innovate, and prosper, do their thing.

Thats what they want...:wink:


"Those who criticize our generation forget who raised it"

There are ALOT of ways to make money...Even if you work for yourself

[TheMatrix31]

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I never heard that as the problem with "entitlement."

The problem is a kid like you thinking they should make $60 grand a year just because they graduated with those grades.

Now, that number is arbitrary but I'm going to make a safe assumption that most people don't start off with 60 grand working for an investment bank. I'd bet that whoever does has been working there for a few years or has been promoted a few times.

If I'm wrong, then increase the number and the same thing applies.

The truth is: there are jobs out there, but there are a lot of people that refuse to work certain jobs because they think they are entitled to the pay that someone with more experience makes. That's not how it works in this world.

If you have a specialized skill (ie: Nursing) then, yes. My sister has been a nurse for only a few months and she is making over 60 grand a year. That's how it works.

Young people need to accept that they have to take an entry level position especially if their degree is mostly liberal arts (history, english) or business related (management, finance). They don't. They think they are entitled to high paying jobs and consider themselves too educated to take an entry level position for 30+ a year.


Keep in mind I'm not talking about you specifically. I'm just jumping on your statement.

You just described my best friends. All of them.

[BunnyHardaway]

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Reading this thread makes me want to get into nursing school even more because if I don't, I'm screwed.

[DocHolliday]

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Reading this thread makes me want to get into nursing school even more because if I don't, I'm screwed.

No, your not.

Work hard, Be on time, show passion, communicate, show respect, be responsible and keep learning.

Companies will be all over your ***.

[Lintyfresh85]

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Agree 100% with everything YP just said.

[matt8204]

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I hate the entitlement arguement. I have a 3.8 gpa in Finance and 4.0 for my masters in finance and I havent gotten 1 interview at a private equity or investment bank. Thousands of Resumes sent.

I think I am entitled to an interview.

I'm not talking about you. I mean people who sit on their lazy *** all day and expect the rest of us to support them. I'm also talking about spoiled brats who live off of mommy and daddy and have never heard the word "no" in their entire lives. I'd certainly agree that you at least deserve a chance to sell yourself to an employer.

[matt8204]

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Technology evens the playing field. In the past I would agree, but since the internet - alot of the hidden infromation is out there now. There isnt a competitive advantage from a learning standpoint at bigtime schools.

The advantage is their connections.

Its not what you know, Its who you know.

Can't disagree; that's the reality of the world in many cases. A lot of times, those kids get into the Ivys because their parents went there or are big financial contributors to the school. There are probably a ton of kids out there who are smart enough to attend those prestigious schools, but could never afford it in a million years.

[mgoblue]

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Exactly.

Entry-level positions will typically pay 30k.

30k isn't easy living, but a person with normal expenses (even in an expensive city) can make ends meet at that salary.

But, they can't expect to dine out or go out for drinks every week with friends. Fun is limited. It's the reality of life and someone's career choice.

Unfortunately, a lot of the new generation of workers don't understand this. So when they make 30k, they think they're getting ripped off or they refuse to continue working at that rate.

I'm sure that's why the age of leaving the nest continues to rise (not a bad thing). Probably better to take that entry-level position, help the parents a bit all while you save, and wait for that promotion before moving out on your own.

I know we've had a thread before where enough people commented on never having that opportunity because they lived on their own since graduating high school. Everyone has different situations.

But, my point, really, is: it bothers me when I hear people say that there are no jobs. There are jobs. I can quit my job right now and find a job. I swear to you. Will I find a job I like or a job that pays me the same money? Probably not. But, it's better to get paid than to worry over your finances because your 401k is being exhausted to make ends meet.

My friend's sister is driving her parents nuts with this. She wants to get into a specific career (doing stuff with Horses), but doesn't seem willing to start on the ground level...it's like she thinks she's entitled to her perfect awesome job right out of college...

Pretty much everyone starts out with whatever they can get out of college and works their way up in that company or to another job once they have experience...

[matt8204]

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My friend's sister is driving her parents nuts with this. She wants to get into a specific career (doing stuff with Horses), but doesn't seem willing to start on the ground level...it's like she thinks she's entitled to her perfect awesome job right out of college...

Pretty much everyone starts out with whatever they can get out of college and works their way up in that company or to another job once they have experience...

I think a lot of things came too easily for the up-and-coming generation. The last two years aside, they've grown up in relative prosperity and haven't really had to struggle or sacrifice in any major way. Of course, there are exceptions but I'm not sure if kids today are taught to value hard work and overcoming adversity the way other generations were.

[CMH]

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Reading this thread makes me want to get into nursing school even more because if I don't, I'm screwed.

Like DocHolliday said: you won't if you work hard and accept the reality of your degree and skills.

There are ample opportunities to make a lot of money working with a business degree. Loads. The same for those with the dreaded history or english degrees (no disrespect to those with them; I'm just commenting on the belief that those degrees don't get you jobs).

I know people working for great companies that started at the lowest of levels and worked their way up and now make more than six figures and are only 40 or so years old.

But, maybe that's the problem. The younger generation wants to bank in their 20s. I don't know anyone banking at that age unless they started their own ridiculously great company (and therefore we should see their face and/or name in Forbes) or are successful entertainers (film specifically because music is a dying, if not dead, industry). There are other ways but very few get that opportunity.

There are ways to monitor the trends and needs of the country. Nursing is obviously a huge industry to jump into right now. I never did because I'm not great with science and I don't have the patience for it. I struggled with chemistry in high school and college. That's the reality of my abilities. There's also engineering degrees, but again, lots of science and math; lots of school work; huge commitment. If you're ready for it, do it. You'll make good money out of school.

If you want to take an easier path to a degree then you need to be an amazing creator or work you way from the bottom up.

A lot of companies are looking for entry-level workers to do the hard work but with great opportunities to reach quick promotions and salary bumps. Look at places like Enterprise Rent-A-Car (seriously), FedEx or even WB Mason.

They are always hiring. ALWAYS. You'll need to work hard, but all of them promote from within which increases your chances to get that pay bump quicker than most.

[Cebby]

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I think a lot of things came too easily for the up-and-coming generation. The last two years aside, they've grown up in relative prosperity and haven't really had to struggle or sacrifice in any major way. Of course, there are exceptions but I'm not sure if kids today are taught to value hard work and overcoming adversity the way other generations were.

Every generation has it easier than the generation that precedes them.

The last time this wasn't true was probably the fall of the Roman Empire.

[MassNole]

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Every generation has it easier than the generation that precedes them.

The last time this wasn't true was probably the fall of the Roman Empire.

Yeah this generation's working class really has it easier will all of their jobs sent out of the country.