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  • Crimsontide27
    MVP
    • Jul 2004
    • 1505

    #16
    Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

    I know I am going to sound like a horrible person in this post, but bare with me.

    Your case, just like mine, is never open and shut. It all depends on what judge you get and what his feelings are on this case. Most judges sympathize with the woman regardless of their history. If your ex can clean herself up and look pretty and act like some innocent victim in front of the judge, you stand no chance.

    The actual ruling on my sons case came down to what they called " Default" . Basically because I failed to show up for the custody hearing the first time, I forfieted my rights to my son. I had no way of knowing a court case was even scheduled since her mom signed a form saying that I was served custody paperwork. No person of legal stature had to serve me, just a witness saying I recieved paperwork ( which was her mom ). Now...I proved without a shadow of a doubt that there was no way possible I had been notified, but the judge didnt care.

    Now...from a legal perspective...what the judge did was illegal and here is why. According to the date I was supposedly served, I was still active duty deployed overseas. There is a law called the Soldiers and Saliors Act or the Soldiers Relief Act that protects soldiers from civilian courts while they are overseas. This law is open and shut, but the judge decided to not follow it even though it was brought up.

    When I tried to bring an appeal, I was informed that unless I was able to provide any " mitigating" circumstances that were not availiable at the first court hearing, then I had nothing to appeal the ruling off of. You cant appeal simply because you dont agree with the judge I found out.

    Everyday for 8 years my ex has made my son hate me. My son will want to go to Universal or something for his birthday and his mom will have him call me and ask to go. I tell him that I will do my best and he gets excited. Tickets are about $70 each....

    My ex then tells me that I need to send enough money to take my son ( 70) and her (140 ) then I need to send her husband ( 210 ) and his son from a previous marriage ( 280 ). They have 2 kids of their own that arent mine so I need to send money for the other kids (420) to go. This is on top of the fact they MAY need to stay in a hotel which is another 120ish (540) and of course food for the whole family ( 640 )

    So what turns into a simple birthday turns into a $640 out of pocket cost...on top of the $500 a month I have already sent... Im not in a financial position to do it, I just cant...

    So now I am forced to tell my son I cant send money for him to go and I am made to look like an evil person. Her husband has no problem carrying his son to Universal and mine isnt allowed to go, but if I want him to go, I have to pay for the entire family..

    This has gone on for years. I no longer care. I have given up.

    If your ex is as evil as mine has been....and it pains me to say this....let him go. You will never win if the court system sides with her.

    It has taken me years to get to this point, but I came to realize that if she kept pushing me into a corner and making my son hate me on a daily basis, I would be in prison for the rest of my life because I would have killed her.

    One day I stopped answering my phone. I have not talked to her or my son in about a year now and I am finally at a middle ground of peace. I send my money and thats it. No contact, no pictures, no birthdays, no Christmas...nothing anymore.

    If she is as evil as you say, she will do everything to use the love of your son to fug your world up.

    In 8 years I have never recovered financially from the diaster of her having my child. I now owe so much money and my credit is so bad that everytime I apply for any type of job Im qualified for, my background and credit check comes back to haunt me and its all because of that one bitz.

    The only hope I have is that when my son is 18 and wants to come kick my azz for being such a deadbeat dad, that he will take the time to listen to my side of the story and pray to God he can find it in his heart to listen , forgive, and understand why things were the way they were.

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    • GAMEC0CK2002
      Stayin Alive
      • Aug 2002
      • 10384

      #17
      Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

      Originally posted by Crimsontide27
      I know I am going to sound like a horrible person in this post, but bare with me.

      Your case, just like mine, is never open and shut. It all depends on what judge you get and what his feelings are on this case. Most judges sympathize with the woman regardless of their history. If your ex can clean herself up and look pretty and act like some innocent victim in front of the judge, you stand no chance.

      The actual ruling on my sons case came down to what they called " Default" . Basically because I failed to show up for the custody hearing the first time, I forfieted my rights to my son. I had no way of knowing a court case was even scheduled since her mom signed a form saying that I was served custody paperwork. No person of legal stature had to serve me, just a witness saying I recieved paperwork ( which was her mom ). Now...I proved without a shadow of a doubt that there was no way possible I had been notified, but the judge didnt care.

      Now...from a legal perspective...what the judge did was illegal and here is why. According to the date I was supposedly served, I was still active duty deployed overseas. There is a law called the Soldiers and Saliors Act or the Soldiers Relief Act that protects soldiers from civilian courts while they are overseas. This law is open and shut, but the judge decided to not follow it even though it was brought up.

      When I tried to bring an appeal, I was informed that unless I was able to provide any " mitigating" circumstances that were not availiable at the first court hearing, then I had nothing to appeal the ruling off of. You cant appeal simply because you dont agree with the judge I found out.

      Everyday for 8 years my ex has made my son hate me. My son will want to go to Universal or something for his birthday and his mom will have him call me and ask to go. I tell him that I will do my best and he gets excited. Tickets are about $70 each....

      My ex then tells me that I need to send enough money to take my son ( 70) and her (140 ) then I need to send her husband ( 210 ) and his son from a previous marriage ( 280 ). They have 2 kids of their own that arent mine so I need to send money for the other kids (420) to go. This is on top of the fact they MAY need to stay in a hotel which is another 120ish (540) and of course food for the whole family ( 640 )

      So what turns into a simple birthday turns into a $640 out of pocket cost...on top of the $500 a month I have already sent... Im not in a financial position to do it, I just cant...

      So now I am forced to tell my son I cant send money for him to go and I am made to look like an evil person. Her husband has no problem carrying his son to Universal and mine isnt allowed to go, but if I want him to go, I have to pay for the entire family..

      This has gone on for years. I no longer care. I have given up.

      If your ex is as evil as mine has been....and it pains me to say this....let him go. You will never win if the court system sides with her.

      It has taken me years to get to this point, but I came to realize that if she kept pushing me into a corner and making my son hate me on a daily basis, I would be in prison for the rest of my life because I would have killed her.

      One day I stopped answering my phone. I have not talked to her or my son in about a year now and I am finally at a middle ground of peace. I send my money and thats it. No contact, no pictures, no birthdays, no Christmas...nothing anymore.

      If she is as evil as you say, she will do everything to use the love of your son to fug your world up.

      In 8 years I have never recovered financially from the diaster of her having my child. I now owe so much money and my credit is so bad that everytime I apply for any type of job Im qualified for, my background and credit check comes back to haunt me and its all because of that one bitz.

      The only hope I have is that when my son is 18 and wants to come kick my azz for being such a deadbeat dad, that he will take the time to listen to my side of the story and pray to God he can find it in his heart to listen , forgive, and understand why things were the way they were.
      wow. sorry to hear all that. why was it all or nothing? couldn't you have gone for joint custody?

      good luck to the OP as well.

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      • Crimsontide27
        MVP
        • Jul 2004
        • 1505

        #18
        Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

        It was all or nothing because of the "failure to appear" on the first court date so the judge decided to award everything her direction. I failed to appear because I had no clue there was a court case involved in it. Thats where my ex and her mother commited perjury by saying they witnessed me sign the paperwork at their house in Cali while I was still in Iraq.

        I wish the best to the OP for darn sure, but in this case always expect the worst and hope for the best. Took me right at 8 years till I couldnt take it anymore and never wish to see anyone have their child taken from them.

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        • Scottdau
          Banned
          • Feb 2003
          • 32580

          #19
          Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

          Get a Lawyer. The other thing if the mom is an OK mom it is tough to get custody. Courts usually go in favor of the Moms. Have you kept records of all the times she left you with the baby? If CPS is on her like she said, then you might have a good chance, but I think you would have to move to Boston though. I don't think you can take the kid out of state with out her permission. I could be wrong though. Maybe that is only if you have shared custody.

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          • Scottdau
            Banned
            • Feb 2003
            • 32580

            #20
            Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

            Originally posted by Crimsontide27
            It was all or nothing because of the "failure to appear" on the first court date so the judge decided to award everything her direction. I failed to appear because I had no clue there was a court case involved in it. Thats where my ex and her mother commited perjury by saying they witnessed me sign the paperwork at their house in Cali while I was still in Iraq.

            I wish the best to the OP for darn sure, but in this case always expect the worst and hope for the best. Took me right at 8 years till I couldnt take it anymore and never wish to see anyone have their child taken from them.
            That sucks, but the good news is some day when he is older he will figure it out. My mom and dad split up when I was 10 and I was thought to believe it was my dads felt and the when I got about 18 I figured it was more of my mom's fault. So I am close with my dad now and I am now 38. So you never know. Just keep making the afford.

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            • dopeboy206
              Banned
              • Oct 2007
              • 1471

              #21
              Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

              I just got home from the airport 15 minutes ago. My home feels so empty now. I am just going to relax at home today and watch the All-Star game later and try not to think too much.

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              • jim416
                Banned
                • Feb 2003
                • 10606

                #22
                Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                Just curious reading your story. You said this...

                she embarrasses me in front of my friends by calling me names so I cussed her out and called her the B word and she called the cops and I got arrested for disturbance.
                Normally, in your own house and having a domestic partner you will NEVER get arrested for calling the other partner a "B". Police just don't arrest based on verbal arguments, however heated, unless a threat is made. This jumped out at me. Could you clarify that?
                Last edited by jim416; 02-14-2010, 01:22 PM.

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                • Eton Rifles
                  Obey the Father!!!!
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 5374

                  #23
                  Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                  this thread is a reminder to me why I don't want to have any children.
                  follow me on twitter: www.twitter.com/eton_rifles

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                  • dopeboy206
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 1471

                    #24
                    Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                    Originally posted by jim416
                    Just curious reading your story. You said this...

                    Normally, in your own house and having a domestic partner you will NEVER get arrested for calling the other partner a "B". Police just don't arrest based on verbal arguments, however heated, unless a threat is made. This jumped out at me. Could you clarify that?

                    My bad for not being detailed. It was in Boston when this happened. It was her place. I had a few friends over and we were watching MNF. My hometown Seattle Seahawks against the eagles. I remembered Seatle whooping the Eagles something like 41-0.

                    Well the heated arguements led to objects being thrown. She tried to throw something at me and I did the same but no one was hit. She called the cops and the pigs were siding with her so I said some unfriendly words to her and the police which I shouldn't have plus I had a few beers in my system but there is no excuses and I won't blame it on the alchohol. So then the police cuffed me up. While I was getting cuffed up he was being a punk and pressed my buttons with remarks like "You think you a tough guy huh, I see you're from another state. Well around here we don't take that crap." I already don't like cops from the past and that right there just triggered me even more so me and him got into a verbal battle. Next thing I know I'm in Jail.

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                    • Crimsontide27
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 1505

                      #25
                      Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                      Originally posted by jim416
                      Just curious reading your story. You said this...

                      Normally, in your own house and having a domestic partner you will NEVER get arrested for calling the other partner a "B". Police just don't arrest based on verbal arguments, however heated, unless a threat is made. This jumped out at me. Could you clarify that?
                      All it takes to get arrested is an accusation. Even if your women assaults you and then calls the police saying you threatend her or made her feel for her well being, you will be arrested. All depends on who calls first, and even then...its not cut and dry.

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                      • MC Fatigue
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 4150

                        #26
                        Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                        Originally posted by dopeboy206
                        My bad for not being detailed. It was in Boston when this happened. It was her place. I had a few friends over and we were watching MNF. My hometown Seattle Seahawks against the eagles. I remembered Seatle whooping the Eagles something like 41-0.

                        Well the heated arguements led to objects being thrown. She tried to throw something at me and I did the same but no one was hit. She called the cops and the pigs were siding with her so I said some unfriendly words to her and the police which I shouldn't have plus I had a few beers in my system but there is no excuses and I won't blame it on the alchohol. So then the police cuffed me up. While I was getting cuffed up he was being a punk and pressed my buttons with remarks like "You think you a tough guy huh, I see you're from another state. Well around here we don't take that crap." I already don't like cops from the past and that right there just triggered me even more so me and him got into a verbal battle. Next thing I know I'm in Jail.
                        Don't ever talk to a police officer; never. Keep your mouth shut and your head down and call a lawyer.

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                        • jim416
                          Banned
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 10606

                          #27
                          Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                          Originally posted by Crimsontide27
                          All it takes to get arrested is an accusation. Even if your women assaults you and then calls the police saying you threatend her or made her feel for her well being, you will be arrested. All depends on who calls first, and even then...its not cut and dry.
                          No, I'm a retired cop. That's NOT how it works.

                          There is a requirement on the books due to an incident many years ago where the cops went to a domestic dispute (doesn't matter where, just as long as the two people in the dispute have a relationship) and just left thinking the dispute was settled. Well, ends up they went back a few hours a later and one of those two people had killed the other (can't remember if it was the man or women). There was a minor assault originally and the one assaulted had said they didn't want to press charges, so the cops left. You can't do that anymore.

                          So police are now OBLIGATED to arrest both parties when violence is used, or the threat of bodily harm is said. The cops hook them both up and tell them to "tell it to the judge", they don't have a choice. When things are thrown, that's assault. He said "she tried" to throw something? I'm just trying to figure this out because initially it was just the "b" word, now it's an assault and I'm not sure if she just "tried", or didn't, but he did.


                          Just something missing here, if we're going to really try to come to some conclusion on this story.
                          Last edited by jim416; 02-14-2010, 03:52 PM.

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                          • dopeboy206
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 1471

                            #28
                            Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                            Originally posted by jim416
                            No, I'm a retired cop. That's NOT how it works.

                            There is a requirement on the books due to an incident many years ago where the cops went to a domestic dispute (doesn't matter where, just as long as the two people in the dispute have a relationship) and just left thinking the dispute was settled. Well, ends up they went back a few hours a later and one of those two people had killed the other (can't remember if it was the man or women). There was a minor assault originally and the one assaulted had said they didn't want to press charges, so the cops left. You can't do that anymore.

                            So police are now OBLIGATED to arrest both parties when violence is used, or the threat of bodily harm is said. The cops hook them both up and tell them to "tell it to the judge", they don't have a choice. When things are thrown, that's assault. He said "she tried" to throw something? I'm just trying to figure this out because initially it was just the "b" word, now it's an assault and I'm not sure if she just "tried", or didn't, but he did.


                            Just something missing here, if we're going to really try to come to some conclusion on this story.

                            How is it an assault when no one got hit. I didn't lay my hands on her or vice versa. Even though she made me want to smack the hell out of her. It was mainly a heated arguments and a few stuff being thrown. I felt the cops only jailed me because I said some things to him because obviously he didn't arrest her since cops are "obliged" to do so. Also not all cops goes by the books. There are lot's of crooked cops out there.

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                            • Schism 6
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2008
                              • 360

                              #29
                              Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                              Originally posted by Lintyfresh85
                              I assume since you've been taking care of him for two years now... they'll probably look favorably on you for that.

                              Good luck.
                              LOL you'd like to think that, you F'd up big time by not going and getting a lawyer asap, unless you can prove she's and unfit mother, and they'll want you to physically prove it, then you're screwed. Trust me friend I've went through this and the courts are on the mothers side 95% of the time. I'm not gonna air my news on here but I promise you, you're in for another 10-16 years of B.S.

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                              • Schism 6
                                Banned
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 360

                                #30
                                Re: Do I Have A Shot At Getting Custody Of My Kid? (Serious Topic)

                                Originally posted by Crimsontide27
                                1st thing to do is certainly get yourself a lawyer.

                                2nd thing to do is dont ever think you have an open and shut case at all. I lost my son in a somewhat similar fashion and even though I had a lawyer, I lost the case.

                                The short and quick version...

                                Not married, son was born 3 weeks before I deployed to Korea
                                I bought an apt in Korea and sent her $460 a month for support for the baby.
                                Sent extra money so she could get a passport etc..
                                She never came...
                                Got letters saying she wanted some other dude to be the father..
                                Cheated on me with no less than 4 diff guys while I was in Korea..
                                Deployed to Iraq from Korea
                                She got preg with another dude while I was in Iraq..
                                Came home and she wanted me back...but no way was I gonna take her back after that.
                                Said I would never see my son again...
                                8 months later I got paperwork saying she has full custody and I have no rights.

                                I never knew it went to court in the first place..
                                Her mom forged my signature and swore under penatly of perjury that I was served court papers at her house in Cali on the 27th of Nov...
                                On the 27th of Nov I was still in Iraq...

                                Got hit with welfare fraud...found out she wasnt reporting the $460 month I was sending her and cali was giving her Cash aid and they wanted ME to pay it back??

                                She OD'd on drugs a week before our scheduled court date where I was challenging the custody ruling.

                                Lawyer said it was a slam dunk case, paid over $5000 in attorney fees to get my son back.
                                Lawyer put together all the paperwork necessary, so it wasnt a problem with my lawyer sucking.

                                1) We proved she commited welfare fraud because I contacted western union and my bank and got all receipts showing all the money I sent her, with my name and address clearly on them...so there was no way she could NOT have known where I was like she told Cali.

                                2) We proved they commited perjury because there was no way possible I was served custody paperwork in Cali and in the middle of a war in Iraq at the same friggen time.

                                3) Laywer obtained records to her drug overdose the week prior to court and stumbled upon more information where we found out that this was the 3rd time this had happened and now had a criminal record since I had first been deployed...

                                End result...

                                I must pay restitution to the state of Cali for the welfare fraud in the tune of over $21,000 . Even though I have paperwork proving I sent money, they deem ME responsible to pay back what SHE was given since she has no job...WTF is that crap.

                                I have ZERO parental rights because I somehow made a "choice" not to be in my sons life....regardless that I was in the military and had purchased an apartment for them to join me in Korea ( and had paperwork documenting this )

                                I have not seen my son in 8 years....he is 8 years old..

                                My child support has been raised to over $500 a month even though I am not making what I was while in the military...but was raised to cover her "quality of life" that she was used to while I was in the military.


                                End of the day...no one can tell you what will happen. You could get your child, or you can be screwed for the next 16-18 years. Depends on what side of the bed the judge wakes up on.

                                Women WILL win the child custody cases well over 90% of the time.

                                I wish you well and hope you never have to go through what I have.
                                I feel ya man, most women are straight whores.

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