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  • Adam Dayton
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    • Jan 2008
    • 1835

    #91
    Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

    Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
    Or she can take it as a lesson learned and not deface school property.
    If the teacher walked over, grabbed her hand, and cut it off with a machete it would teach her an even greater lessen. The point is what occurred was overkill and a disproportionate punishment to the supposed "crime."

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    • Whitesox
      Closet pyromaniac
      • Mar 2009
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      #92
      Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

      Nothing supposed about it. Vandalism is a crime, writing on desks is vandalism.
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      • Buckeyes_Doc
        In Dalton I Trust
        • Jan 2009
        • 11918

        #93
        Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

        Originally posted by whitesox
        Nothing supposed about it. Vandalism is a crime, writing on desks is vandalism.
        Is it? Is something you can easily wipe off in a minute with a cleaner vandalism and a crime? I think vandalism is something permanent like cutting her name into desk or something.
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        • kehlis
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          • Jul 2008
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          #94
          Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

          Originally posted by lilbently
          Is it? Is something you can easily wipe off in a minute with a cleaner vandalism and a crime? I think vandalism is something permanent like cutting her name into desk or something.
          Yes, it is vandalism. It is defacing something that isn't her's regardless of if it can be cleaned or not.

          You consider graffiti vandalism right?

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          • Whitesox
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            • Mar 2009
            • 5287

            #95
            Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

            Originally posted by lilbently
            Is it? Is something you can easily wipe off in a minute with a cleaner vandalism and a crime? I think vandalism is something permanent like cutting her name into desk or something.
            Yes, it is vandalism.
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            • MC Fatigue
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              • Feb 2006
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              #96
              Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

              A 12 year old girl was writing on a desk. Big whoop.

              Make her go to the bathroom and get a wet paper towel and clean it. End of story.

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              • Buckeyes_Doc
                In Dalton I Trust
                • Jan 2009
                • 11918

                #97
                Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                Originally posted by kehlis
                Yes, it is vandalism. It is defacing something that isn't her's regardless of if it can be cleaned or not.

                You consider graffiti vandalism right?
                Yes I do because graffiti permanently damages property. You can use a high powered water/sand blaster but even that won't work sometimes because once the graffiti is removed or parts of it removed rust can form.

                You can't compare graffiti to doodling on a desk.

                Too me vandalism is malicious defacing school property that could cause permanent damage (Graffiti would fit here).

                Doodling on a desk that can be cleaned with a wet paper towel is not vandalism to me. But I guess people will disagree.

                Anyways I've read through this whole thread and love the comparisons of this 12 year old girl to petty criminals.
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                • kehlis
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                  • Jul 2008
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                  #98
                  Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                  Graffiti is painted over on a regular basis and is never seen again...

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                  • Buckeyes_Doc
                    In Dalton I Trust
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 11918

                    #99
                    Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                    Originally posted by kehlis
                    Graffiti is painted over on a regular basis and is never seen again...
                    What regular basis? And yes I know it can be painted it over but only on certain surfaces.
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                    • mKoz26
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                      • Jan 2009
                      • 4685

                      #100
                      Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                      If there was a zero tolerance policy, the girl should have been beheaded. End of story.

                      /using people's logic against them
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                      • GAMEC0CK2002
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                        • Aug 2002
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                        #101
                        Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                        Originally posted by mKoz26
                        If there was a zero tolerance policy, the girl should have been beheaded. End of story.

                        /using people's logic against them

                        I bet we know of at least one student that won't be "doodling" on a desk.

                        IF it was a well-known school policy, then she knew exactly what she was getting into. No symapathy here. Most (not all) kids today lack accountability.

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                        • MBFranchise
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                          • May 2009
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                          #102
                          Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                          Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
                          I bet we know of at least one student that won't be "doodling" on a desk.

                          IF it was a well-known school policy, then she knew exactly what she was getting into. No symapathy here. Most (not all) kids today lack accountability.
                          Exactly, she is basically daring the school to punish her with their "zero tolerance" policy. Then expects us to feel sorry for her when she gets in trouble. I don't get it.
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                          • mKoz26
                            In case you forgot...
                            • Jan 2009
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                            #103
                            Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                            Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
                            I bet we know of at least one student that won't be "doodling" on a desk.

                            IF it was a well-known school policy, then she knew exactly what she was getting into. No symapathy here. Most (not all) kids today lack accountability.
                            If the punishment for speeding was death would you accept your execution after being caught, or would it be unfair?

                            Ever heard of "cruel and unusual punishment"? The girl is 12.
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                            @CDonkey26

                            Originally posted by baumy300
                            Yeah, she may be a bit of a beotch, but you get back to me when you find out a way to motorboat personality...

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                            • GAMEC0CK2002
                              Stayin Alive
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 10384

                              #104
                              Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                              Originally posted by mKoz26
                              If the punishment for speeding was death would you accept your execution after being caught, or would it be unfair?

                              Ever heard of "cruel and unusual punishment"? The girl is 12.
                              Well, apparently the "usual" punishment hasn't worked if the school had to go to a zero tolerance policy in the first place.

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                              • kehlis
                                Moderator
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 27738

                                #105
                                Re: Girl's arrest for doodling raises concerns about zero tolerance

                                Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
                                Well, apparently the "usual" punishment hasn't worked if the school had to go to a zero tolerance policy in the first place.
                                Yea, and how can punishment be effective if a student expects a certain punishment and continues to do it anyway...

                                You mentioned it earlier and I agree, it is all about accountability...

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