Major bomb scare in NYC

[SPTO]

Re: Major bomb scare in NYC

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100504/...quare_car_bomb


"Based on what we know so far, it is clear that this was a terrorist plot aimed at murdering Americans in one of the busiest places in our country," he added.

In Pakistan, intelligence officials said at least one man has been detained in the southern city of Karachi in connection with the Times Square case: a man named Tauseef who was a friend of Shahzad. He did not say when the man was picked up.

Another Pakistani official said several people had been taken into custody since the failed attack. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of their work.

Considering eight people have already been arrested in Pakistan in connection with the attack, in addition to the fact that Faisal Shahzad is being handled by the High-Value Interrogation Group....I'm guessing you're totally wrong.

Almost ten years later and we're still trying to define the word "terrorism." Says a lot, doesn't it? Here, I'll speak in plain English: Shahzad (and others, apparently) planned an attack. That attack's plan was to affect terror. Ergo, that is terrorism.

I also can't believe this dude was arrested on a plane. We're conducting a massive manhunt for him, we know who he is, and he manages to flash his passport, buy a ticket, and board a plane? Nobody thought of maybe flagging the guy's passport? Yeah, I feel totally secure. The only reason we barely caught this guy was because he was stupid enough to use his own email address to set up the Craigslist purchase of the vehicle used in the attack. If this guy were a pro, he's gone - right through our fingers.

Whatever the system is, it's not working very well.

Thanks for the info as I didn't know about that part about arrests in Pakistan and such. It's clearly a terrorist plot then. Thankfully it was amateur hour on his part but it's scary what kind of damage could've been done if he had done it better.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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Man we dodged a bullet again. First in December with the failed attempt and now this.

I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened more often, creating car bombs or just IED's in general.

[SPTO]

Re: Major bomb scare in NYC

Man we dodged a bullet again. First in December with the failed attempt and now this.

I'm actually surprised this hasn't happened more often, creating car bombs or just IED's in general.

I'm actually surprised something as simple as a bomb or crazy shootings in malls haven't taken place either.

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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I'm actually surprised something as simple as a bomb or crazy shootings in malls haven't taken place either.

My only guess is major terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda only want to do "big" attacks like 9/11 or the failed Northwest Airlines bombing. But I agree with you I'm surprised we haven't seen more attempted attacks like this from amateurs.

[countryboy]

Re: Major bomb scare in NYC

Dear Terrorists,

It still waves!

Signed,
The United States of America

[Cusefan]

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Dear Terrorists,

It still waves!

Signed,
The United States of America

I am hesitant to even call this guy a Terrorist. Sure he wanted to be a terrorist but lets face it, he is just a tard.

[countryboy]

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I am hesitant to even call this guy a Terrorist. Sure he wanted to be a terrorist but lets face it, he is just a tard.

any person, who has the attitude to attack, injure, and kill American citizens for nothing more than hate, is a terrorist. He doesn't have to belong to a group, although he did, to be a terrorist.

[daflyboys]

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String him up in Times Square or head on a stake..... makes no difference to me.

[Knight165]

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I can say that the way he set up this car Bomb, It would not have created the Explosion he was hoping for. Judging by the information Released, the VBIED would not have caused mass casualties for one simple reason, it would not have been an immediate explosion. 10 Gallons of Gas will not create a Bomb in and of itself. The Propane Tanks would not have exploded immediately or at all, new ones have safety features that prevent the Flame from going into the Tank and creating an explosion.

Basically this is how it would have played: The Fireworks Go off and Ignite the Gas Tanks creating a mini explosion inside the car. People May or May not get injured by this but no one will die. Since there are a massive amount of Cops in Time Sq. they would have secured the scene getting everyone away by the time any real explosion happens.

Personally speaking, I could have made a much better bomb and ignited it at the Airport via a Cell phone.

You do not need flames to get into the tank to produce the explosion.
It's called a BLEVE...boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion. As the gas gets released little by little by the relief valve(which if you watch in the video ....you can see the flames jet out every once every several seconds for a bit....that's the relief valve letting the gas escape...problem is...those are not designed to actually be of much help during actual fire engulfing those tanks....why you might ask? ....because at a certain level...when the LPG level reaches a LOW level in the tank...is when the tank itself becomes most dangerous...the low level of liquid propane can no longer stand the pressure or the heat and begins to boil...the next time there is an opening...either through rupture at a weak point or...you guessed it....that relief valve opens. That is when you get your explosion(the bleve).
That video...times three with ten gallons of volatile fuel waiting to be dispersed in the explosion is pretty friggin' big.
We got lucky plain and simple.
You may be able to make a better bomb...but not for the 150 bucks he spent(minus the vehicle....he could have used a clunker from the junkyard for 100 bucks).

As for the propensity of it....
As I said...about a month ago, we had a similar car fire in South Jamaica Queens.......as the Engine Co stretched two lengths of hose from the pumper(100 feet of hose) to the vehicle which was in a kind of junk field....we thought something was odd.....an older car being torched?...that's when the flames blowtorched like you see in that video. The tank was in the trunk...and when it blew...it blew the hatchback open and the trunk lid about 25 feet in the air. The hydraulic pistons that hold the hatchback closed....blew off and one hit the Engine chauffeur who was at the pump panel(100 feet away!)...in the face cutting him up pretty bad(luckily not hitting him directly in the eye or breaking any bones). We all got sprayed with glass and the rear bumper blew off and luckily missed us.
Like I said.......X3 with gasoline and possibly some ANFO is not going to be pretty in Midtown Manhattan.

M.K.
Knight165

[Jackdog]

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You do not need flames to get into the tank to produce the explosion.
It's called a BLEVE...boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion. As the gas gets released little by little by the relief valve(which if you watch in the video ....you can see the flames jet out every once every several seconds for a bit....that's the relief valve letting the gas escape...problem is...those are not designed to actually be of much help during actual fire engulfing those tanks....why you might ask? ....because at a certain level...when the LPG level reaches a LOW level in the tank...is when the tank itself becomes most dangerous...the low level of liquid propane can no longer stand the pressure or the heat and begins to boil...the next time there is an opening...either through rupture at a weak point or...you guessed it....that relief valve opens. That is when you get your explosion(the bleve).
That video...times three with ten gallons of volatile fuel waiting to be dispersed in the explosion is pretty friggin' big.
We got lucky plain and simple.
You may be able to make a better bomb...but not for the 150 bucks he spent(minus the vehicle....he could have used a clunker from the junkyard for 100 bucks).

As for the propensity of it....
As I said...about a month ago, we had a similar car fire in South Jamaica Queens.......as the Engine Co stretched two lengths of hose from the pumper(100 feet of hose) to the vehicle which was in a kind of junk field....we thought something was odd.....an older car being torched?...that's when the flames blowtorched like you see in that video. The tank was in the trunk...and when it blew...it blew the hatchback open and the trunk lid about 25 feet in the air. The hydraulic pistons that hold the hatchback closed....blew off and one hit the Engine chauffeur who was at the pump panel(100 feet away!)...in the face cutting him up pretty bad(luckily not hitting him directly in the eye or breaking any bones). We all got sprayed with glass and the rear bumper blew off and luckily missed us.
Like I said.......X3 with gasoline and possibly some ANFO is not going to be pretty in Midtown Manhattan.

M.K.
Knight165

Thanks for the explanation and video of what could have happened. Like CB said,any person, who has the attitude to attack, injure, and kill American citizens for nothing more than hate, is a terrorist.

[jb12780]

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You do not need flames to get into the tank to produce the explosion.
It's called a BLEVE...boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion. As the gas gets released little by little by the relief valve(which if you watch in the video ....you can see the flames jet out every once every several seconds for a bit....that's the relief valve letting the gas escape...problem is...those are not designed to actually be of much help during actual fire engulfing those tanks....why you might ask? ....because at a certain level...when the LPG level reaches a LOW level in the tank...is when the tank itself becomes most dangerous...the low level of liquid propane can no longer stand the pressure or the heat and begins to boil...the next time there is an opening...either through rupture at a weak point or...you guessed it....that relief valve opens. That is when you get your explosion(the bleve).
That video...times three with ten gallons of volatile fuel waiting to be dispersed in the explosion is pretty friggin' big.
We got lucky plain and simple.
You may be able to make a better bomb...but not for the 150 bucks he spent(minus the vehicle....he could have used a clunker from the junkyard for 100 bucks).

As for the propensity of it....
As I said...about a month ago, we had a similar car fire in South Jamaica Queens.......as the Engine Co stretched two lengths of hose from the pumper(100 feet of hose) to the vehicle which was in a kind of junk field....we thought something was odd.....an older car being torched?...that's when the flames blowtorched like you see in that video. The tank was in the trunk...and when it blew...it blew the hatchback open and the trunk lid about 25 feet in the air. The hydraulic pistons that hold the hatchback closed....blew off and one hit the Engine chauffeur who was at the pump panel(100 feet away!)...in the face cutting him up pretty bad(luckily not hitting him directly in the eye or breaking any bones). We all got sprayed with glass and the rear bumper blew off and luckily missed us.
Like I said.......X3 with gasoline and possibly some ANFO is not going to be pretty in Midtown Manhattan.

M.K.
Knight165

Props to the FDNY. My dad is a NYC FF, this stuff isnt funny. They need to send him to jail for life.

What scares me is that this guy was on a no-fly list and he still managed to get on a plane. This is twice now. Something has to change quick.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100504/ap_on_go_ot/us_times_square_probe

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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I am hesitant to even call this guy a Terrorist. Sure he wanted to be a terrorist but lets face it, he is just a tard.

Being a tard does not exempt you from being a terrorist. If this guy isn't a terrorist then I don't know what is. Others have explained it well also.

[Cusefan]

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You do not need flames to get into the tank to produce the explosion.
It's called a BLEVE...boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion. As the gas gets released little by little by the relief valve(which if you watch in the video ....you can see the flames jet out every once every several seconds for a bit....that's the relief valve letting the gas escape...problem is...those are not designed to actually be of much help during actual fire engulfing those tanks....why you might ask? ....because at a certain level...when the LPG level reaches a LOW level in the tank...is when the tank itself becomes most dangerous...the low level of liquid propane can no longer stand the pressure or the heat and begins to boil...the next time there is an opening...either through rupture at a weak point or...you guessed it....that relief valve opens. That is when you get your explosion(the bleve).
That video...times three with ten gallons of volatile fuel waiting to be dispersed in the explosion is pretty friggin' big.
We got lucky plain and simple.
You may be able to make a better bomb...but not for the 150 bucks he spent(minus the vehicle....he could have used a clunker from the junkyard for 100 bucks).

As for the propensity of it....
As I said...about a month ago, we had a similar car fire in South Jamaica Queens.......as the Engine Co stretched two lengths of hose from the pumper(100 feet of hose) to the vehicle which was in a kind of junk field....we thought something was odd.....an older car being torched?...that's when the flames blowtorched like you see in that video. The tank was in the trunk...and when it blew...it blew the hatchback open and the trunk lid about 25 feet in the air. The hydraulic pistons that hold the hatchback closed....blew off and one hit the Engine chauffeur who was at the pump panel(100 feet away!)...in the face cutting him up pretty bad(luckily not hitting him directly in the eye or breaking any bones). We all got sprayed with glass and the rear bumper blew off and luckily missed us.
Like I said.......X3 with gasoline and possibly some ANFO is not going to be pretty in Midtown Manhattan.

M.K.
Knight165

Like i said before, even if the propane Tanks were to Ignite and cause an Explosion, It would take more than a few Minutes for it to actually explode. You would probably have 1.5-2 minutes before there is a large explosion, ample time to evacuate anyone nearby. Therein lies the problem of this Car bomb, a Effective Car bomb needs to be Immediate and Devastating, take away one of those factors and you will not achieve your goal.

As far as this dude only spending $150, that is why his Bomb was a dud and he got Caught. But Could i make a better Bomb for that much, you better believe it, But for this purpose, i will spend What I make in a week with enough food for a last meal(Chinese Food)

1000 Ball Bearings = $85
2 prepaid Cellphones= $40
Remote Model Rocket Propulsion Kit= $37
two 55 Gallon Drums= Free(because I will steal it)
110 Gallons of Gas = $330


One Way Ticket to Caracas, Venezuela = $550

BTW If I get a visit from the FBI for visiting these certain websites Im blaming you

[Cusefan]

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Props to the FDNY. My dad is a NYC FF, this stuff isnt funny. They need to send him to jail for life.

What scares me is that this guy was on a no-fly list and he still managed to get on a plane. This is twice now. Something has to change quick.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100504/...s_square_probe

I say Hang em. He is a US Citizen and he was trying to commit an act of Terror Against the US, that means he is a Traitor. Treason is punishable by death, might as well set an example. But since this is the US, he is presumed Innocent Until proven guilty; You can def. put him up on charges for treason and see what happens.

As far as this guy getting on the Plane, I say no Harm no Foul. Whats the Difference between arresting him on the Plane and doing it at the Terminal, besides the fact that we delayed the plane taking off, but eh. We got the Guy with very limited leads on American Soil, Sounds like a Win to me.

Being a tard does not exempt you from being a terrorist. If this guy isn't a terrorist then I don't know what is. Others have explained it well also.

I was being facetious



BTW, Why is the Media not talking about the fact that the SUV was parked infront of Viacom's HQ? Seems kind of coincidental this happens only a few weeks after the South Park Incident...

[countryboy]

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the difference is 10 minutes late in determining he's a terrorist while he's in the terminal..not so bad. 10 minutes late in determining he's a terrorist while he's on the plane, equals plane taking off and the risk of lives lost due to an attack on the aircraft.