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  • NoDakHusker
    Ice Cold
    • Mar 2009
    • 4348

    #31
    Re: Discuss.

    Originally posted by stewaat
    I do. If I ask a person walk away from me when I ask them if they wouldn't mind talking with me for a minute I can't do anything about it. I'm not trying to violate their 4th amendment rights.

    In this case, she violated a state ordinance or law or G.S., which means the Officer was justified in detaining her. You don't need to tell somebody they are detained. You can order them to come over here, especially when they are in violation of a law/statute/ordinance.

    You can detain individuals who haven't even broken the law but you have reasonable suspicion to believe they may have.

    Traffic stops are detainment on reasonable suspicion. You don't have to violate the law to be pulled over.
    Oh ok. Gotcha.
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    • AUChase
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2008
      • 19409

      #32
      Re: Discuss.

      I see the girl in the pink didn't want any part of it after she got punched.

      I hate to make light of the situation, but the cop was doing his job. It wasn't the girl's place to step in and try to interfere. If they had stopped acting like a bunch of jackasses hand slapping and ****, it wouldn't have got to this point.

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      • stewaat

        #33
        Re: Discuss.

        Originally posted by tsalbysp
        It all depends on how the incident went down:

        Situation A)

        Cop: "Stop you're under arrest."
        Girl: "Blow it out your ***."
        *Cop grabs girl*

        Acceptable.

        Situation B)

        Cop: "Hey, you, come here."
        Girl: "Blow it out your ***."
        *Cop grabs girl*

        Not acceptable.

        The article isn't clear whether or not the incident went the path of A or B. I'm just trying to point out that, if the officer never made it clear that she did something wrong and was being detained, she doesn't have to listen to a word he says.

        If it turns out he did make it clear that she did something wrong and that she was being detained, I'll be on the side of the cop. Once he makes he clear that she's under arrest/being detained, she has the obligation to comply with his orders. I just don't know whether or not he made it clear or not that she was being detained.

        Edit: The article made it sound like this could have happened:

        Girl was walking with her friends across a street. Cop came up to them and started talking. She didn't care to hear what he had to say, so she walked away. Cop yelled at her "Hey, I'm not done with you!" and she kept walking and waved her arm in a "piss off" manner. Cop ran after her and grabbed her by the arm.

        It isn't clear whether or not the cop ever said anything about jaywalking, violation of a law, detainment, being under arrest, issuance of a citation. If he had mentioned any of those terms, and made it clear that the girls were being detained and had violated a law, like I said, I'd be in his corner. However, for all I know, he simply went up to them and said "What's your name, give me your ID." If that's all he did, she had every right to tell him to piss off.
        In a court of law, everything you said is considered a detainment.

        TRUST ME, district attorney's are quick to throw out anything in which you detain somebody when there is no reason to detain them...and I mean quick.

        If I see a girl doing nothing wrong and say "Hey come here" and she does and I ask for consent to search her and find a bloody knife from a murder she just committed...it will get thrown out in court because I detained/seized her without any reasonable suspicion to do so.

        If I say "Hey do you mind if I talk to you a moment?" then she comes over and a consent search is done and I find the knife, I'm good.

        Attorneys make a living off the difference in the two.

        Bottom line...the girl has zero respect for authority figures.

        Oh and it's hilarious when she yells at him to read her her rights. You only do that when in custody & being interrogated. COPS, the Tv show, has misinformed the general public.

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        • stewaat

          #34
          Re: Discuss.

          Originally posted by AUChase89
          I see the girl in the pink didn't want any part of it after she got punched.

          I hate to make light of the situation, but the cop was doing his job. It wasn't the girl's place to step in and try to interfere. If they had stopped acting like a bunch of jackasses hand slapping and ****, it wouldn't have got to this point.
          They are lucky they are girls. If they were guys the level of threat would've been raised and deadly force may have been justified. The cop has both hands tied up and his gun is exposed. Who says that girl couldn't have grabbed the gun and then shot the cop in the head. She assaulted a cop who was in the middle of trying to handcuff another person.

          BTW where is his backup? I would never be in that type of situation.

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          • Koolie G
            MVP
            • Mar 2005
            • 1812

            #35
            Re: Discuss.

            Originally posted by tsalbysp

            Like I said earlier, if a cop comes up to you on a sidewalk and asks for your ID, you have absolutely zero obligation to show him anything.
            You do know this is totally not true right? Did you get your law degree online?
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            • p_rushing
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2004
              • 14514

              #36
              Re: Discuss.

              Originally posted by stewaat
              They are lucky they are girls. If they were guys the level of threat would've been raised and deadly force may have been justified. The cop has both hands tied up and his gun is exposed. Who says that girl couldn't have grabbed the gun and then shot the cop in the head. She assaulted a cop who was in the middle of trying to handcuff another person.

              BTW where is his backup? I would never be in that type of situation.
              I think he actually says she went for my gun to one of the bystanders.

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              • JBH3
                Marvel's Finest
                • Jan 2007
                • 13506

                #37
                Re: Discuss.

                Police Brutality? Eff that. File this under general stupidity...on the part of all the citizens involved.
                Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                • MizzouBravesFan
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 2489

                  #38
                  Re: Discuss.

                  Sad part is...no matter what force he would've used, he'd be wrong and getting crucified in the media and by a lot of the public.

                  LEO's are so handcuffed (pardon the pun) these days when it comes to doing their job...it's not even funny. I even catch myself watching what I'm doing at all times and that's in a small town...never know who's watching, where a camera is at, and what BS complaints will be laid at your feet next.

                  It's ridiculous.
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                  • Moses Shuttlesworth
                    AB>
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 9435

                    #39
                    Re: Discuss.

                    Bunch of dumb bitches. You get what's comin to you, rule of life.

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                    • TheShizNo1
                      Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 26341

                      #40
                      Re: Discuss.

                      Looked like he attempted a darce choke
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                      Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
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                      **** ya


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                      • Scottdau
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 32580

                        #41
                        Re: Discuss.

                        He did the right thing. If she was doing that to someone on the street, she would have got hit too. So why can't the cop hit her. I would have pepper spray though. That is a lot worst too. I got some pepper spray in my mouth once, because my students were fighting right next to me and the guards came in spraying. That is some bad stuff right there.

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                        • GAMEC0CK2002
                          Stayin Alive
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 10384

                          #42
                          Re: Discuss.

                          Stupid is as stupid does.

                          What did she really think would happen after attacking a cop? She got off lightly, IMO.

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                          • Behindshadows
                            CEO - BSG Network
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 8055

                            #43
                            Cop in Seattle Punches 17yr. old girl.

                            <a href="http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-CA&vid=5ff262ab-4dd5-409c-8a48-4e663dde6df1" target="_new" title="Video shows Seattle cop punch 17-year-old"><img src="http://img3.catalog.video.msn.com/Image.aspx?uuid=5ff262ab-4dd5-409c-8a48-4e663dde6df1&w=112&h=84" border=0 alt="Video shows Seattle cop punch 17-year-old" width=112 height=84><br />Video shows Seattle cop punch 17-year-old</a>

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                            • TheMatrix31
                              RF
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 52931

                              #44
                              Re: Cop in Seattle Punches 17yr. old girl.

                              Merging this with the original thread.

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                              • Behindshadows
                                CEO - BSG Network
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 8055

                                #45
                                Re: Discuss.

                                I think he should have grabbed her or something, not punch her in the face.

                                But I don't defend her either, the girl was down right stupid. This shows what happens when you try to make a scene to impress your friends on how brave and hard you are. You get melee by a cop.

                                But oh! Well like someone said, being stupid gets you outrageous actions.

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