Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

[mKoz26]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Non-sport can have MMA and Boxing for all I care as I am not sure you could count beating the **** out of each other as sport.

Is WWE type professional wrestling a sport? It's a physical activity. What about being a stuntman?

Hey, there's judgement calls in baseball, football, basketball, hockey, and more. I guess none of them are sports.

(Two can play this game.)

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

That's completely different. Quit being naive.

The judgement calls in football can later be looked at on tape by their respective league office and they can definitely say based on fact whether or not the call was right based on what the rule states.

A judge making a call in an cheerleading competition is still based 100% opinion. You can't go back and say team A was more original then team B and it be 100% fact or team A had better music then team B and it be fact. It's all opinion.

[mKoz26]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

That's completely different. Quit being naive.

The judgement calls in football can later be looked at on tape by their respective league office and they can definitely say whether or not the call was right based on what the rule states.

A judge making a call in an cheerleading competition is still based 100% opinion. You can't go back and say team A was more original then team B and it be 100% fact or team A had better music then team B and it be fact. It's all opinion.

So my post went right over your head.

Let's stop with the ridiculous comparisons and be a bit realistic here. WWE Wrestling is entertainment, with pre-determined outcomes. Stuntmen do not compete against each other as far as I know. However, if stuntmen decided to hold a competition to see who was the best at things like jumping from building to building (just an example), it would indeed be a sporting event.

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Jumping from building to building based on style or how far they can jump? First isn't a sport, second is a sport.

Would you consider poker and hot dog eating a sport? Because hey, you break a sweat, must be a sport.

chearleading = athletic competition with girls who are in a lot better shape then I am.
cheerleading ≠ sport

[mKoz26]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Jumping from building to building based on style or how far they can jump? First isn't a sport, second is a sport.

Would you consider poker and hot dog eating a sport? Because hey, you break a sweat, must be a sport.

chearleading = athletic competition with girls who are in a lot better shape then I am.
cheerleading ≠ sport

You are so incredibly wrong right now. You're stretching for these crazy comparisons to try and make my points look stupid, but it doesn't work whatsoever because your argument has no substance.

So now, to not look ignorant, dig up the post in which I said breaking a sweat makes something a sport. I'm waiting.

[J-Unit40]

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Oh really? Then I guess playing bowling on the Wii is a sport too. Its athletic and its an event too. And I am very competitive while playing it.

That made me laugh pretty hard.

Oh, and cheerleading is not a sport, officially.

[deaduck]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

While it's clear some people want to fight tooth and nail for Cheerleading is a sport, their passion hasn't translated too much of an argument other than anybody who doesn't think so is "wrong".

How about instead of just jabbing fingers at people....you give a nice clean logical arguement instead?

AS for the Title 9 protection status....calling it a sport doesn't open up more slots for male programs. As a point of comparison, the original story is about how granting it a loose "sport" status allowed them to cut women's volleyball ergo...no new male slots.

Cheerleading didn't become safer because it was called a "sport". Not having a governing body isn't about the status of cheerleading as much as it reflects a lack of consistant leadership at the upper tiers to form a organization dedicated to that goal. Like I pointed out before, VA governs my "sport" and it doesn't do a thing other than collect more fees and taxes.

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

You are so incredibly wrong right now. You're stretching for these crazy comparisons to try and make my points look stupid, but it doesn't work whatsoever because your argument has no substance.

So now, to not look ignorant, dig up the post in which I said breaking a sweat makes something a sport. I'm waiting.

Why am I wrong and how is it a crazy comparison? I have given reasons on why I think cheerleading is not a sport, you on the other hang just tell me that I am wrong.

Never said you did, but by the people's logic in this thread you have to consider a hot dog eating competition a sport.

[kehlis]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

You are so incredibly wrong right now. You're stretching for these crazy comparisons to try and make my points look stupid, but it doesn't work whatsoever because your argument has no substance.

So now, to not look ignorant, dig up the post in which I said breaking a sweat makes something a sport. I'm waiting.

You keep questioning others as to why cheerleading shouldn't be a sport but unless I missed it you have yet to say why you think it should be a sport?

[MassNole]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

While it's clear some people want to fight tooth and nail for Cheerleading is a sport, their passion hasn't translated too much of an argument other than anybody who doesn't think so is "wrong".

How about instead of just jabbing fingers at people....you give a nice clean logical arguement instead?

AS for the Title 9 protection status....calling it a sport doesn't open up more slots for male programs. As a point of comparison, the original story is about how granting it a loose "sport" status allowed them to cut women's volleyball ergo...no new male slots.

Cheerleading didn't become safer because it was called a "sport". Not having a governing body isn't about the status of cheerleading as much as it reflects a lack of consistant leadership at the upper tiers to form a organization dedicated to that goal. Like I pointed out before, VA governs my "sport" and it doesn't do a thing other than collect more fees and taxes.

In this specific case no, the Title IX implications wouldn't be what I said, but in larger picture cheerleading being considered a sport for T9 purposes would eventually open up doors for growth and/or stabilization in men's sports.

[Cusefan]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Here is the Cambridge Dictionary definition of a sport: A game, competition or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job


All the other Dictionaries I looked at have a very similar definition, Therefore You must call Cheerleading a sport. Everyone arguing against this seems to have their own interpretation of what a sport is, yet here we have a clear cut definition. You MUST call cheerleading a sport by definition, there is simply no room for interpretation.

[MassNole]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

For competitive cheering yes. For those cheerleaders who only cheer on the sidelines not so much. I think the Court is caught up only focusing on the latter side of it though.

[mKoz26]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

You keep questioning others as to why cheerleading shouldn't be a sport but unless I missed it you have yet to say why you think it should be a sport?

I'm not saying that it should be a sport so much as I'm playing devil's advocate to those who say it isn't. People in here are being extremely ignorant comparing cheerleading to WWE Wrestling, Wii Bowling, and Professional Eating Competitions. Every point against cheerleading being a sport can be reasonably countered and I'm only trying to make that known. For example:

"The winner is based on judgement"
Wrestling, boxing, and MMA often come to a judgement call by scorekeepers, making them no better than cheerleading.

"Cheerleading is no more active of an activity than Marching Band"
Not close to true. Cheerleading involves tossing people high into the air, holding them by their feet above one's head, many different gymnast maneuvers involving flips, etc. Marching band is people playing instruments while marching in formations and moving with the beat.

"Cheerleading is about dancing, not athleticism"
Again, cheerleading incorporates many skills that gymnasts utilize in addition to the dancing and cheering portions. Gymnastics is one of the oldest sports around (I've heard Spartans practiced Gymnastics to physically train before they were old enough for battle). If it is a sport, cheerleading is certainly a sport.

"Squads don't actually compete head to head, they take turns doing their routines"
This is also the method of other sports, for example golf and bowling. If golf is a sport, than this aspect of cheerleading cannot disqualify it as a sport.

If there are any more well thought out arguments I'd love to hear them. It's the ridiculous hyperbole's that anger me because all they do is show how ignorant said poster is on the subject.

[mKoz26]

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Why am I wrong and how is it a crazy comparison? I have given reasons on why I think cheerleading is not a sport, you on the other hang just tell me that I am wrong.

Never said you did, but by the people's logic in this thread you have to consider a hot dog eating competition a sport.

Who's logic? I mean specifically.

Here is the Cambridge Dictionary definition of a sport: A game, competition or activity needing physical effort and skill that is played or done according to rules, for enjoyment and/or as a job


All the other Dictionaries I looked at have a very similar definition, Therefore You must call Cheerleading a sport. Everyone arguing against this seems to have their own interpretation of what a sport is, yet here we have a clear cut definition. You MUST call cheerleading a sport by definition, there is simply no room for interpretation.

Thank you. I was planning on pulling out a definition at some point but you did it for me.

(sorry for the double post)

[hatisback]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Who's logic? I mean specifically.



Thank you. I was planning on pulling out a definition at some point but you did it for me.

(sorry for the double post)

Then by all means, let us make Wii Bowling an olympic sport since the Cambridge Dictionary thinks it is.