Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

[kehlis]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Mkoz...

I get your viewpoint. What is bothering me though is the way you are throwing out the word ignorant. You used it towards deaduck when it seemed completely unwarranted, and again used it in your last post.

What makes the viewpoint ignorant? Just because it differs from yours?

[mKoz26]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Then by all means, let us make Wii Bowling an olympic sport since the Cambridge Dictionary thinks it is.

Way to not read any of my posts.

[mKoz26]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Mkoz...

I get your viewpoint. What is bothering me though is the way you are throwing out the word ignorant. You used it towards deaduck when it seemed completely unwarranted, and again used it in your last post.

What makes the viewpoint ignorant? Just because it differs from yours?

No, it's the ridiculous comparisons that make someone look ignorant.

[DickDalewood]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

No, it's the ridiculous comparisons that make someone look ignorant.

Consider this your warning... You can argue whatever side of this you want, and can do it until your face turns blue, that's fine, but the next time you call another poster, or group of posters ignorant, the consequences will be much greater than a paragraph or two of words from a moderator.

Have opinions, speak them, have debates, whatever, but personal attacks will not be tolerated, period.

[bgeno]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

You all fail to see the reality behind this decision and it's disappointing.

All of you should WANT cheerleading to be considered a sport...you NEED it to be considered a sport. Title IX folks, title IX.

This is a huge plus for females, screws males.

For Title IX purposes (I hate that worthless law), we should all want them to find cheerleading to be a sport, because that would quickly equalize numbers football programs cause and could lead to rapid growth in lacrosse and a desperately needed stabilization in wrestling (which itself could be considered a quasi-sport).

I have a buddy who is very against cheerleading as a sport (mainly for the reasons people have mentioned in this post), and he sent me the link about this story a few days ago, thinking I'd be on side. My reply was simply that if it helps balance Title IX, I'm all for cheerleading as a sport.

Wrestling programs are hurting because of it, as are lacrosse, cross country, track and field, soccer and any other men's sport. With D-I FBS schools having to use at least 76.5 scholarships on football to retain D-I status, it really throws off the ratio of men's-women's sports scholarships. At least cheerleading could help bring that ratio to a more normal state.

[Jukeman]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Most if not all cheerleading leads to competition....

"Cheerleaders" for a professional sporting events such as the NFL/NBA/etc are most often called a dance team...

And if they decided to have a dance off at haltime...It will indeed be considered a sport...

[Jukeman]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Then by all means, let us make Wii Bowling an olympic sport since the Cambridge Dictionary thinks it is.

Funny because card games could become an olympic sport...

Heck curling is already an olympic sport

Edit-

This is whats happening today

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-as-an-olympic-sport-8700/

The International Federation of Poker will be accepted into the International Mind Sports Association in April. This means that poker will join a list of games including Chess, Bridge, and Go as an official game of skill, according to Bluff Magazine Europe. The International Olympic Committee (IOC) recognizes the International Mind Sports Association (IMSA), meaning poker will be considered an official game of skill for the Olympics

This development may not mean that we’ll be seeing poker in the Olympics in the near future, but it is certainly a first step in the right direction. Acceptance into the IMSA and recognition from the IOC gives poker another strong argument in court.

[Bahnzo]

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Cheerleading didn't become safer because it was called a "sport".

And that just isn't true. If cheerleading was declared a sport, then in schools that receive state and federal funding they would be required to give the same type of consideration they do to other sports. Which would include proper facilities, properly trained coaches, athletic trainers and doctors. As it is now, most programs have none of these things, and the safety of these girls suffers because of it.

We can argue whether it's a sport or an athletic competition, but the fact remains that it needs to be officially deemed a sport for the safety of those who participate in it. It's dangerous what these girls do, and they do it without any of the support that other sports programs get which makes it even more so. Disregarding these girls safety because you don't think it's a proper sport like football or basketball, or because doing so might hurt men's sports under Title IX is petty.

[hatisback]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Funny because card games could become an olympic sport...

Heck curling is already an olympic sport

Edit-

This is whats happening today
http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-...ic-sport-8700/

OMG, soon Telekinesis will be a sport the way we are going......

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

"Cheerleading is no more active of an activity than Marching Band"
Not close to true. Cheerleading involves tossing people high into the air, holding them by their feet above one's head, many different gymnast maneuvers involving flips, etc. Marching band is people playing instruments while marching in formations and moving with the beat.

Now this is a pretty bold statement.

Just because cheerleading is more dangerous doesn't mean it's a sport and band isn't. If you consider cheerleading a sport, competitive marching band is too. Aside from the physical aspect, learning a marching band show is tons harder then a cheerleading routine. I hate having to sit through these halftimes, but what they do is impressive. Also there is hardly any marching anymore these days, they do it with their legs locked and walking on their heels basically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1viZ763Ybgo

Again, cheerleading incorporates many skills that gymnasts utilize in addition to the dancing and cheering portions. Gymnastics is one of the oldest sports around (I've heard Spartans practiced Gymnastics to physically train before they were old enough for battle). If it is a sport, cheerleading is certainly a sport.

It's not a sport though.

"Squads don't actually compete head to head, they take turns doing their routines"
This is also the method of other sports, for example golf and bowling. If golf is a sport, than this aspect of cheerleading cannot disqualify it as a sport.

Well I don't think quote #1 is right at as there is a list of sports where you take turns including every field event in t&f.

Thank you. I was planning on pulling out a definition at some point but you did it for me.

How can you pull that definition then say that Wii Bowling and competitive eating isn't a sport?

[dickey1331]

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Now this is a pretty bold statement.

Just because cheerleading is more dangerous doesn't mean it's a sport and band isn't. If you consider cheerleading a sport, competitive marching band is too. Aside from the physical aspect, learning a marching band show is tons harder then a cheerleading routine. I hate having to sit through these halftimes, but what they do is impressive. Also there is hardly any marching anymore these days, they do it with their legs locked and walking on their heels basically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1viZ763Ybgo

That is true. In Texas, marching band is considered a sport in high school since it counts as our P.E/Sports credit you must have to graduate.

[mKoz26]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

Now this is a pretty bold statement.

Just because cheerleading is more dangerous doesn't mean it's a sport and band isn't. If you consider cheerleading a sport, competitive marching band is too. Aside from the physical aspect, learning a marching band show is tons harder then a cheerleading routine.

I never said anything about danger. It's the athleticism required.

And honestly, how do you know a marching band show is harder to learn than a cheering routine? You've done both sports? Maybe you're just reaching? Honestly, I want to know where you got that from.

How can you pull that definition then say that Wii Bowling and competitive eating isn't a sport?

There is room for interpretation (to an extent) with every definition. I don't consider flicking your wrist to play a video game "physical effort". I don't think most would, but if you do, you have yourself a new sport to play. Also, considering you're not actually throwing the ball, and a character is doing it on a screen, you aren't actually doing the action required for the sport.

In addition to this, "skill" is not required. A young cousin of mine (7-8 years old) can and has bowled in the 200s on that game. I've had 200 games after a few tries.

Competitive eating is very iffy. I honestly don't know either way. The training those guys go through is amazing, but I don't know that performing a basic human instinct that every human utilizes is considered a game. It's a competition, sure, but I don't know if I consider it a game.

Some things just fall under a different category, and I think this is one of them.

[Mo]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

There's like 3 users in this thread that get the meaning of the ruling.

[SuperBowlNachos]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

And honestly, how do you know a marching band show is harder to learn than a cheering routine? You've done both sports? Maybe you're just reaching? Honestly, I want to know where you got that from.

It's obvious from watching it for more then 20 seconds.

But that is my opinion, and I am using a lot of energy to type this.

Therefore, arguing on OS = sport.

That is true. In Texas, marching band is considered a sport in high school since it counts as our P.E/Sports credit you must have to graduate.

Not considered a sport, just considered physical activity. Dancing class counts as a p.e. credit too.

There's like 3 users in this thread that get the meaning of the ruling.

I get it, it was a big title ix thing. That's no fun to argue about though.

[mKoz26]

Re: Federal Judge Rules Cheerleading is not a Sport

It's obvious from watching it for more then 20 seconds

I'm gonna hope you've been joking with most of your posts in this thread, because this is just ridiculous. By watching a routine, you can determine how hard it is to learn? It's not that I think either sport is harder to learn than the other, but neither you nor I can make that judgement considering neither of us have taken part in these two activities. You have a pretty weak argument if you think you can determine every intricacy of a routine of any type by watching the first 20 seconds of it, when every intricacy helps determine how hard a routine is to learn, meaning you'd have to pick up on all of them for your statement to be true.

Are you just looking for a response out of me at this point or what? I'm trying to give legitimate responses and, in return, you give me this:

But that is my opinion, and I am using a lot of energy to type this.

Therefore, arguing on OS = sport.

If that is your real opinion, I can respect it, but was it said seriously or are you looking for a reaction?