Input on indoor smoking needed

[ODogg]

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Cigarettes will never be banned as they make way too much money in taxes. This exposes the utter stupidity of the "sin tax". The government likes to try to tax items such as cigs, alcohol, etc to, as they claim, "discourage the behavior" but in the end the behaviors profitable to them so they never want it to end. This is why so called "sin taxes" actually perpetuate to keep "bad" behavior going.

All that will happen is that cigarettes will continue to rise in price until only the wealthier can afford it. This is yet another reason this type of tax is a mistake, it's discriminatory economically.

[p_rushing]

I understand why people want to do it, but I'm happy that a lot of places ban it. There wouldn't be a problem allowing it if there was a choice in restaurants. Before the bans, all places allowed it. There weren't smoke free places. Give restaurants the choice and let the people decide with their money.

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Said the man who doesn't smoke.

I'm pretty sure he used to.

Yep, I smoked for 13 years, including more than two packs a day for the last year of that.

It is honestly the only real regret that I have in life, was smoking cigarettes.

Last week marked seven years since I quit and I haven't had a single puff since.

[snepp]

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I miss smoking.


I don't miss being a smoker.

[shugknight]

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For all you guys arguing that it isn't right for the government to ban smoking indoors and it should be your right or the business' right to allow/disallow it..

Why is it so hard for you to go outside and smoke? Is it that hard that you can't walk 30 feet to have a cigarette if you so badly need one? They didn't ban smoking in general. They banned smoking

AU, you used a valid point in drinking and driving, but not everyone drinks and drive to the point they could be liable for someone's life. There are many other people that wait an hour or two to sober up to prevent such cases.

I get it.. Drinking and smoking are a great mix.. I used to do it myself. But if your a lazy *** that can't walk outside to smoke, then you shouldn't be smoking at all. It takes 5 minutes to smoke a cigarette. If you really want to smoke and drink at the same time, go home and do both at your own leisure.

Until they ban smoking outdoors, you guys have no valid point.

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For all you guys arguing that it isn't right for the government to ban smoking indoors and it should be your right or the business' right to allow/disallow it..

Why is it so hard for you to go outside and smoke? Is it that hard that you can't walk 30 feet to have a cigarette if you so badly need one? They didn't ban smoking in general. They banned smoking

AU, you used a valid point in drinking and driving, but not everyone drinks and drive to the point they could be liable for someone's life. There are many other people that wait an hour or two to sober up to prevent such cases.

I get it.. Drinking and smoking are a great mix.. I used to do it myself. But if your a lazy *** that can't walk outside to smoke, then you shouldn't be smoking at all. It takes 5 minutes to smoke a cigarette. If you really want to smoke and drink at the same time, go home and do both at your own leisure.

Until they ban smoking outdoors, you guys have no valid point.

Some of you non-smokers are more annoying than lobbyist. Speaking for myself, I'm not complaining anymore. In fact, I dont even care as my plan to quit is already in progress so I'll be with you guys. But all this to lazy to go outside and get over it talk steams me yo. I stay in Chicago where just last week the weather reached the single digits so my only issue stems from the fact that in order to do something I enjoy, I must freeze... just to make the non-smokers happy. Whereas, a room set up in any business/building for smokers to kill themselves slowly, on their own free will, completely tucked away from you bastards...isn't so impractical. Thats all I'm saying.

[Burns11]

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For all you guys arguing that it isn't right for the government to ban smoking indoors and it should be your right or the business' right to allow/disallow it..

Why is it so hard for you to go outside and smoke? Is it that hard that you can't walk 30 feet to have a cigarette if you so badly need one? They didn't ban smoking in general. They banned smoking

AU, you used a valid point in drinking and driving, but not everyone drinks and drive to the point they could be liable for someone's life. There are many other people that wait an hour or two to sober up to prevent such cases.

I get it.. Drinking and smoking are a great mix.. I used to do it myself. But if your a lazy *** that can't walk outside to smoke, then you shouldn't be smoking at all. It takes 5 minutes to smoke a cigarette. If you really want to smoke and drink at the same time, go home and do both at your own leisure.

Until they ban smoking outdoors, you guys have no valid point.

So your convenience is more important than a business owner's rights? Nobody is forcing you to patronize their private business, if you don't like it go elsewhere.

For the record I don't smoke, wouldn't patronize a restaurant that allowed smoking, and wouldn't allow smoking in my place of business, but that doesn't mean other businesses shouldn't have the liberty to choose for themselves.

[JODYE]

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Some of you non-smokers are more annoying than lobbyist. Speaking for myself, I'm not complaining anymore. In fact, I dont even care as my plan to quit is already in progress so I'll be with you guys. But all this to lazy to go outside and get over it talk steams me yo. I stay in Chicago where just last week the weather reached the single digits so my only issue stems from the fact that in order to do something I enjoy, I must freeze... just to make the non-smokers happy. Whereas, a room set up in any business/building for smokers to kill themselves slowly, on their own free will, completely tucked away from you bastards...isn't so impractical. Thats all I'm saying.

The whole argument that smokers have, is based on the fact that you having to go outside is a large inconvenience, when it becomes an even bigger inconvenience to people that make the choice to not smoke, when they are forced to breathe in toxins that have negative effects on your health, or can't go to a certain location because it is possibly a smoking environment. How is that not an inconvenience?

If you really need one that badly, then you can go outside and respect others who have made the choice not to do so.

This isn't the 1960's where we are oblivious to the effects of second hand smoke. Even having "smoking sections" inside buildings produces harmful toxins in the air. That fact that people think that it should be fair to poison other people just because it's a public place or an establishment where smoking is "expected" is absolutely ridiculous

[C the Lyte]

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For all you guys arguing that it isn't right for the government to ban smoking indoors and it should be your right or the business' right to allow/disallow it..

Why is it so hard for you to go outside and smoke? Is it that hard that you can't walk 30 feet to have a cigarette if you so badly need one? They didn't ban smoking in general. They banned smoking

AU, you used a valid point in drinking and driving, but not everyone drinks and drive to the point they could be liable for someone's life. There are many other people that wait an hour or two to sober up to prevent such cases.

I get it.. Drinking and smoking are a great mix.. I used to do it myself. But if your a lazy *** that can't walk outside to smoke, then you shouldn't be smoking at all. It takes 5 minutes to smoke a cigarette. If you really want to smoke and drink at the same time, go home and do both at your own leisure.

Until they ban smoking outdoors, you guys have no valid point.

I think there was a beach in NC that banned smoking.

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The whole argument that smokers have, is based on the fact that you having to go outside is a large inconvenience, when it becomes an even bigger inconvenience to people that make the choice to not smoke, when they are forced to breathe in toxins that have negative effects on your health, or can't go to a certain location because it is possibly a smoking environment. How is that not an inconvenience?

If you really need one that badly, then you can go outside and respect others who have made the choice not to do so.

This isn't the 1960's where we are oblivious to the effects of second hand smoke. Even having "smoking sections" inside buildings produces harmful toxins in the air. That fact that people think that it should be fair to poison other people just because it's a public place or an establishment where smoking is "expected" is absolutely ridiculous

Nobodys forcing you. Hold your breath, lol. I kid, I kid.

Seriously though, I used to work at a building here downtown where in the basement, there was a little room tucked away for all the smokers to go in, have a seat and enjoy their smoke. Far away from anyone, completely isolated from civilization and it was bliss. Nobody had to smell it, nobodys air was polluted but our own. Why non-smokers dont want people to have this luxury is beyond me.

[shugknight]

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Some of you non-smokers are more annoying than lobbyist. Speaking for myself, I'm not complaining anymore. In fact, I dont even care as my plan to quit is already in progress so I'll be with you guys. But all this to lazy to go outside and get over it talk steams me yo. I stay in Chicago where just last week the weather reached the single digits so my only issue stems from the fact that in order to do something I enjoy, I must freeze... just to make the non-smokers happy. Whereas, a room set up in any business/building for smokers to kill themselves slowly, on their own free will, completely tucked away from you bastards...isn't so impractical. Thats all I'm saying.

If it's that cold outside, and you can't handle the cold, then don't smoke. Easy as that. Like I've stated, if you're a true smoker and really need the nicotine fix, you'll deal with the weather, whether its cold, rainy, snowy, or a tornado outside.

If you're going to whine that it's too cold outside to smoke, do you whine when it's too cold outside to go to work? I live in Chicago. My office has many users that smoke. Most of them females.. They can brave the cold weather to get their nicotine fix. If you can't, then you need to get your priorities straight.

And why would a building rent a separate room or office space just for smokers? When they can easily go outside, where it's free to smoke? You think it's an inconvenience for you to go outside to smoke when it's cold, well it's an even more inconvenience for us to be poisoned by second-hand smoke.

So your convenience is more important than a business owner's rights? Nobody is forcing you to patronize their private business, if you don't like it go elsewhere.

For the record I don't smoke, wouldn't patronize a restaurant that allowed smoking, and wouldn't allow smoking in my place of business, but that doesn't mean other businesses shouldn't have the liberty to choose for themselves.

Not my convenience, but everyone else's. And nobody is asking you to patronized their business as well.. So if you really want to smoke indoors, stay at home and smoke. It's that simple.

I remember when the law was about to take into effect, many business around me complained how they would lose business because all the smokers will not frequent their establishments anymore simply because they can't smoke.

But guess what? Not only was that not the case, their business actually grew because of the smoking ban. They got more business simply because more people were willing to go to their restaurant/bar simply because there was no smoking. Best part about it was that they still got the regular smokers coming in and WILLING to go outside and smoke. So they got the best of both worlds.

Plain and simple, you guys make it seem that going outside to have a smoke is like making you walk on fire. It's not. It may be cold, it may be rainy or snowy, but there's other ways around it. Bundle up if your cold. Stay under a canopy if it's rainy.

Hell people at work use their smoke breaks every hour as a break from work. How many times can non-smokers leave their desk to just lounge around for 5-10 minutes every hour?

[Burns11]

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Not my convenience, but everyone else's. And nobody is asking you to patronized their business as well.. So if you really want to smoke indoors, stay at home and smoke. It's that simple.

I remember when the law was about to take into effect, many business around me complained how they would lose business because all the smokers will not frequent their establishments anymore simply because they can't smoke.

But guess what? Not only was that not the case, their business actually grew because of the smoking ban. They got more business simply because more people were willing to go to their restaurant/bar simply because there was no smoking. Best part about it was that they still got the regular smokers coming in and WILLING to go outside and smoke. So they got the best of both worlds.

Plain and simple, you guys make it seem that going outside to have a smoke is like making you walk on fire. It's not. It may be cold, it may be rainy or snowy, but there's other ways around it. Bundle up if your cold. Stay under a canopy if it's rainy.

Hell people at work use their smoke breaks every hour as a break from work. How many times can non-smokers leave their desk to just lounge around for 5-10 minutes every hour?

Once again I DON'T SMOKE.

Just because you, or anybody else, doesn't like something doesn't mean the right to choose should be taken away from business owners. It doesn't matter if 99.999999999% of the population doesn't want smoking in a restaurant, it's not up to them it should be up to the business owner to decide what goes on in his private business.

[mgoblue]

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Nobodys forcing you. Hold your breath, lol. I kid, I kid.

Seriously though, I used to work at a building here downtown where in the basement, there was a little room tucked away for all the smokers to go in, have a seat and enjoy their smoke. Far away from anyone, completely isolated from civilization and it was bliss. Nobody had to smell it, nobodys air was polluted but our own. Why non-smokers dont want people to have this luxury is beyond me.

I am fine with this...some airports used to have this in the late 2000's I remember (St. Louis maybe? I forget). I thought it was awesome because otherwise it was such a hassle to smoke during a layover. It was only smokers in there and worked fine. IMO this is the best strategy, but until they can do this then bars just need more planned outdoor areas with heaters in Chicago....

One thing to consider about bars is that they have to offer a safe/healthy environment to the bartenders and wait staff, and smoking isn't healthy...that's the other battle they're fighting.

In any event, smoking is becoming the minority, so it's just going to get worse. I feel for all the smokers, it's annoying for sure, but highly doubt it could get better for them.

[shugknight]

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Once again I DON'T SMOKE.

Just because you, or anybody else, doesn't like something doesn't mean the right to choose should be taken away from business owners. It doesn't matter if 99.999999999% of the population doesn't want smoking in a restaurant, it's not up to them it should be up to the business owner to decide what goes on in his private business.

It's not a private business when it's open to the public.

And don't you know, the government controls everything.

And I don't know what world you live in, but the business owners really don't control anything. If they want to sell liquor, they need a liquor license. Everything is taxed or controlled by the government in some form or another.

[Burns11]

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It is a private business, if someone can say "you can't come into my business" without reason given and you can be arrested for trespassing if you don't abide, then it's private. Just because one doesn't pre-screen it's clientele, doesn't negate the fact it's a private business.

No, everything is not controlled by the government, and one form of government is not a defense for extending that reach. It's also tangential to the scope of the current topic of discussion.