News that make you say WTF?

[daflyboys]

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So a cartoon character's "behavior" is the foundation now?

Everyone knows that Bugs was most definitely down with the cross-dressing!!

Spoiler

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I'm just saying it seems like a non-issue/non-news story to me. Its been done before and it will be done again. A voluntary activity on one day in a person's life isn't going to suddenly shatter their indoctrination of gender roles or identity (if anything it would reinforce it).

[deaduck]

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Might help to consider that they still had to follow school rules concerning appropriate dress...nobody was going the full Ru Paul.

[shugknight]

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It isn't a Breaking News type of event. but honestly, this puts the wrong message with little kids. These guys are still learning new things everyday. There is nothing wrong with a man putting on a dress or a female putting on a suit, but at this age, where kids can be cruel and down right nasty, it can be a bad bad thing as they grow up.

Just imagine one of these boys that dressed up like a girl. He grows up thinking it's ok to put on a dress, so he goes to school one day (high school, Jr. High, etc) and dresses up like a girl because well he did it in grade school, and everyone said it was ok, so why shouldn't he right?

Well this kid now gets bullied and made fun of. Who's going to protect the kid from these bullys? Everyday, he's going to be known as the boy that dressed as a girl. But did he do anything wrong? Of course not. But this is not a natural thing to be doing. Making kids dressed like the other gender is not a normal every day type of thing.

Even as adults, crossdressers get made fun of. It's just not natural.

Put yourself in the kids situation, when you were younger, high school, grade school etc, Would you ever put on a dress because you liked it? I highly doubt you would, because you know your friends would make fun of you. Same situation here.

If this school was smart, instead of a "Cross Dressing" day, they should of had a bully awareness day.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I tend to think kids already have pretty reinforced ideas of gender roles and gender identity by this time so ONE day of wearing a pink t-shirt and blue-jeans with frills and sequins isn't gonna suddenly alter their world view. Not to mention it was in the spirit of fun. I think people are selling these kids short if they think the kids aren't aware that this is just a "spirit" thing and obviously isn't a "normal" day thing.

To do/not do something because you think somebody will make fun of you is a disheartening basis for an argument. I know it is happens and I participated in that mindset during grade school, but now I know better and do what makes me happy. On a larger scale that mindset creates more problems than anything else. How many people have suppressed desires simply because they think society won't accept them? I see people do weird things all the time, but if they're not affecting anyone but themselves who am I to tell them to do something differently?

What may be normal or natural to me will probably differ from somebody else's view and so on and on (as evidenced in multiple threads in this forum). One of my friends actually does cross-dress and I've been surprised at how supportive everyone has been because he is a straight-male and our area is basically entrenched by religious conservatives. Weird to me? Obviously, but I'm not gonna make fun of him for simply being different than me.

[shugknight]

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I'm not going to get much into it so I don't cross TOS lines. But Fresh, you and I must live in different worlds.

And you do what makes you happy because your an adult and you know that "Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words will never hurt you" but as a kid, you don't know this. And kids can't ignore the hurtful things other kids say about them. Whether it's about cross dressing or something else.

Maybe your opinion is really strong about this topic because you have a friend that cross-dresses. Which is perfectly fine when you're an adult. You go your way, I go mine. But as kids, where they don't know what's right and wrong, these teachers should have been a much better mentor and said no to this "Spirit" day.

[VTPack919]

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People that get up in arms about these things really need better things to do.
This leads me to the whole hyper-pc/participation medals bs and I don't wanna go down that road. There are better, more important things in this world to get upset about, what a group of kids wants to do for spirit week isn't one of them.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/high-school-senior-denied-diploma-for-wearing-when-did-graduation-become-a-battleground--192900808.html

This year, graduation has become a battleground for some school officials and students. With schools tightening restrictions on who gets to walk, seniors are fighting for their rights in the last hours of their high school careers.

Take 17-year-old Chelsey Ramer. The Alabama grad is having her diploma and transcripts held by her private school, Escambia Academy, until she pays a $1,000 fine—all because she hung a lone eagle feather alongside her cap’s tassel during her May 23 commencement ceremony.

Ramer, a member of the Porch Creak Band of Indians tribe, told Indian Country Today Media that the feather was an important spiritual and cultural symbol of pride, and that she’d decided to wear it even after being warned not to by her then-headmaster, Betty Warren (who has since been replaced, though it’s unclear whether that was related to this incident). Escambia’s dress code prohibits “extraneous items during graduation exercises unless approved by the administration.”

But, Ramer said after the incident, “It was worth every penny of the thousand dollars. This is what I’ve been waiting on, and I feel like I have a right to wear it.” To her local WPMI-TV, she added that it felt like “discrimination.”

$1,000 fine for a FEATHER ? Damn.

[mgoblue]

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http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/hig...192900808.html



$1,000 fine for a FEATHER ? Damn.

I don't feel bad for her at all. They told her it's against the rules, that she couldn't do it and she did it.

I'd feel bad if she didn't know the rule and got slapped with the fine, but not someone intentionally breaking a rule.

Fight the rule if you want, but not after the fact.

[Fresh Tendrils]

She's not fighting the rule. They want to pay the fine and say as much, but the school is still in the wrong regardless if they warned her or not.

[deaduck]

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She's not fighting the rule. They want to pay the fine and say as much, but the school is still in the wrong regardless if they warned her or not.

I wouldn't say the school is in the "wrong"....I'm pretty sure the rule is there for a good reason. Sure, when applied to a feather decoration from a native american it seems harsh but if you allowed full uncontested self expression in graduation gear....it'd get out of hand quickly.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I say its wrong because that is part of her culture and spiritual (ie: religious) identity.

[deaduck]

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I say its wrong because that is part of her culture and spiritual (ie: religious) identity.

...And then a Wiccan wants to wear a pentagram which upsets the Catholic who wanted to wear a cross and then a openly gay student wants something personal and so on...

A line is drawn for reason... then if someone feels strongly enough they cross the line. But you do not blame the line.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I still think the line is wrong even if it has a reason. I doubt they would have done anything to a Christian student for wearing a crucifix or a Muslim for wearing a hijab. I'm surprised they even let her walk in graduation without signing the contract.

[deaduck]

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I still think the line is wrong even if it has a reason.

So is it your point of view that anybody who chooses to adorn themselves in anyway related to religion, ethnic background, sexual preference, personal tragedies and triumphs, favorite band, favorite color and/or which line they stand on the Edward/Jacob issue should be indulged despite the uniform code?