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  • slickdtc
    Grayscale
    • Aug 2004
    • 17125

    #7201
    Uncommon Opinions

    I just think to the years of playing sandlot football every weekend from 8th grade through post-HS. We'd throw our bodies and shoulders around, but you couldn't go head to head. That wasn't even a thought. It was plenty physical. But we never had any head injuries and probably played 100 games or more.

    Of course, it was 5v5 up to 9v9 and it's only one man's experience. You make it 11v11, grown men in tiptop physical shape and a year round job and things will change. Plus, we know the helmet to helmet stuff isn't the only way to get concussions... the constantly sticking your nose up in there and getting rocked around adds up.

    Still, the difference between full pads and sandlot was literally jarring. I remember thinking, "I'm supposed to feel this way after a routine play?" I played corner in a extremely basic cover 2 scheme (and I wasn't a starter lol) so I wasn't feeling it play after play either. There's no doubt in my mind practically every single player who plays experiences some kind of brain trauma. The severity and amount vary, of course.

    Not sure we want to go helmet-less or 1940s style leather, but I do think there's room for improvement or change to what the players wear now.

    Regarding the teaching of football, I just don't see that sticking. Every player knows the proper form by the time they're playing seriously competitive football, but that doesn't mean those tactics will be deployed when you're in a game. The lure of blowing a dude up across the middle is hard to stop, especially with circumstances of a game or season or player's standing on the team so dynamic.
    Last edited by slickdtc; 09-05-2016, 09:25 PM.
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    Originally posted by Money99
    And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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    • TripleCrown9
      Keep the Faith
      • May 2010
      • 23676

      #7202
      Re: Uncommon Opinions

      Originally posted by slickdtc
      I just think to the years of playing sandlot football every weekend from 8th grade through post-HS. We'd throw our bodies and shoulders around, but you couldn't go head to head. That wasn't even a thought. It was plenty physical. But we never had any head injuries and probably played 100 games or more.

      Of course, it was 5v5 up to 9v9 and it's only one man's experience. You make it 11v11, grown men in tiptop physical shape and a year round job and things will change. Plus, we know the helmet to helmet stuff isn't the only way to get concussions... the constantly sticking your nose up in there and getting rocked around adds up.

      Not sure we want to go helmet-less or 1940s style leather, but I do think there's room for improvement or change to what the players wear now.

      Regarding the teaching of football, I just don't see that sticking. Every player knows the proper form by the time they're playing seriously competitive football, but that doesn't mean those tactics will be deployed when you're in a game. The lure of blowing a dude up across the middle is hard to stop, especially with circumstances of a game or season or player's standing on the team so dynamic.
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      • dickey1331
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        • Sep 2009
        • 14285

        #7203
        Re: Uncommon Opinions

        Originally posted by Dog
        Those aren't the only types of hits that cause CTE


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        I didn't say they were but by getting rid or having less protection you're opening yourself up to other problems you previously didn't have.


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        • Dog
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          • Aug 2008
          • 11846

          #7204
          Re: Uncommon Opinions

          Originally posted by dickey1331
          I didn't say they were but by getting rid or having less protection you're opening yourself up to other problems you previously didn't have.


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          That's something I'd agree with, as I have no idea what the other effects would be. Kudos.


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          • TheMatrix31
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            • Jul 2002
            • 52906

            #7205
            Re: Uncommon Opinions

            My uncommon opinion is that people need to stop ****ing with ****. Whether football or baseball or anything else.

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            • dickey1331
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              • Sep 2009
              • 14285

              #7206
              Uncommon Opinions

              Originally posted by Dog
              That's something I'd agree with, as I have no idea what the other effects would be. Kudos.


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              If you want a sport were the players can't go 100% due to an increase risk of injury then you're going in the right direction.


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              • slickdtc
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                • Aug 2004
                • 17125

                #7207
                Re: Uncommon Opinions

                Originally posted by dickey1331
                I didn't say they were but by getting rid or having less protection you're opening yourself up to other problems you previously didn't have.


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                Totally agree. That's why any drastic change is so risky and why I wish there was a comparable league where you could trial these things.
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                Originally posted by Money99
                And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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                • l3ulvl
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 17232

                  #7208
                  Re: Uncommon Opinions

                  Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                  Might as well just make the NFL a flag league.

                  Going to smaller pads and helmets isn't going to change anything.
                  You forgot "put them in skirts!"
                  Originally posted by Boltman
                  Yea, along with the 'might as well put em in cheerleader outfits while you're at it'.

                  They're both great lol
                  oops, I'm too slow, probably should've kept reading before posting lol, didn't realize there were so many more posts

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                  But seriously I can't wait til football gets better helmet technology, something about the hard shell always makes me wonder. Maybe something like 7 on 7 helmets with a visor and jaw guard someday. Idunno, I just don't want football to go away, I want more of it
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                  • Scott
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 20031

                    #7209
                    Re: Uncommon Opinions

                    I hate tea. Just takes like sugar water to me, I've only had it maybe 4 times in my life.

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                    • ProfessaPackMan
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                      • Mar 2008
                      • 63852

                      #7210
                      Re: Uncommon Opinions

                      Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                      Cool, don't go high.
                      You think players aren't being told that or haven't been told that already?

                      It's easier said than done.
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                      • The JareBear
                        Be Good To One Another
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 11560

                        #7211
                        Re: Uncommon Opinions

                        Originally posted by Scott
                        I hate tea. Just takes like sugar water to me, I've only had it maybe 4 times in my life.

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                        • l3ulvl
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                          • Dec 2009
                          • 17232

                          #7212
                          Re: Uncommon Opinions

                          Originally posted by Scott
                          I hate tea. Just takes like sugar water to me, I've only had it maybe 4 times in my life.

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                          I only like unsweet tea, especially with lemon
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                          • Dog
                            aka jnes12/JNes__
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 11846

                            #7213
                            Uncommon Opinions

                            Originally posted by l3ulvl
                            You forgot "put them in skirts!"


                            oops, I'm too slow, probably should've kept reading before posting lol, didn't realize there were so many more posts

                            ~~~~~~~

                            But seriously I can't wait til football gets better helmet technology, something about the hard shell always makes me wonder. Maybe something like 7 on 7 helmets with a visor and jaw guard someday. Idunno, I just don't want football to go away, I want more of it


                            My fear is that eventually people stop letting their kids play the sport due to a (justified) fear. Less players means lower quality, lower quality means less interest, less interest means less money, less money means goodbye football.

                            So to avoid that, let's find a solution.


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                            • l3ulvl
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                              • Dec 2009
                              • 17232

                              #7214
                              Re: Uncommon Opinions

                              You know what would be sad? If science actually discovered better ways for helmets to absorb/disperse contact but the NFL suppressed it because the helmets look really weird?

                              Didn't baseball have a problem with that? Not the info suppression, but the great gazoo batting helmet, or the padded pitcher hat/helmet
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                              • Lieutenant Dan
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                                • Sep 2007
                                • 5679

                                #7215
                                Re: Uncommon Opinions

                                Not sure equipment advances matter, because the players just continue to get bigger, stronger and faster.

                                And I live in the South and hate sweet tea.
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